Nothing will be impossible

[K2CHRIST]

I feel like the Lord gave me this teaching, but I'm just putting it out there for you to consider.

Gen 11:6,7 The Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now thing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech"

When I first read the Bible this seem like a really strange verse. The people were trying to build a tower to heaven. Well we know that no matter who high they built that tower they were not going to build it high enough to get to heaven. Our rocket ships go to the moon and we don't get to heaven that way. So it became one of those verses you just forget because it doesn't make any sense.

One day I was talking to the Lord and He started telling me something about a connection between the Act 2 coming of the Holy Spirit in tongues. I felt like the Lord was telling me there was a connection between the two events and that when the Holy Spirit fell and the devout men all started speaking in tongue, now nothing would be impossible.

That made some sense to me. We know that all thing are possible with God, and so if we are filled with Him and even praying according to what He has us praying then certainly it must be possible to get it, even if we don't know what we say when speaking in tongues.

So what I am suggest is that think that when the Holy Spirit fell in Acts, it made all things possible for us and we got that tower to heaven via the Holy Spirit. If that is the case, then do we under rate the value of the gift of tongues? I think so, but I'd love to hear what others think.

 

[dianegcook]

I feel like the Lord gave me this teaching, but I'm just putting it out there for you to consider.

Gen 11:6,7 The Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now thing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come let Usually go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech"

When I first read the Bible this seem like a really strange verse. The people were trying to build a tower to heaven. Well we know that no matter who high they built that tower they were not going to build it high enough to get to heaven. Our rocket ships go to the moon and we don't get to heaven that way. So it became one of those verses you just forget because it doesn't make any sense.

One day I was talking to the Lord and He started telling me something about a connection between the Act 2 coming of the Holy Spirit in tongues. I felt like the Lord was telling me there was a connection between the two events and that when the Holy Spirit fell and the devout men all started speaking in tongue, now nothing would be impossible.

That made some sense to me. We know that all thing are possible with God, and so if we are filled with Him and even praying according to what He has us praying then certainly it must be possible to get it, even if we don't know what we say when speaking in tongues.

So what I am suggest is that think that when the Holy Spirit fell in Acts, it made all things possible for us and we got that tower to heaven via the Holy Spirit. If that is the case, then do we under rate the value of the gift of tongues? I think so, but I'd love to hear what others think.

I see it differently.
I believe they wanted to build a tower, to save themselves, from another flood.
I don't see what you are getting at?
They all had one language, Gen.11:6
Acts 2:6 every man heard them speak in his own language.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Gen 11:4 The said, "Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.

Humm - This was of course after the flood, and I guess I can see where there might have been a concern about another flood, but it seem to me they were trying to reach into heaven and trying to make a name for themselves. I suppose being in heaven might keep a person from being swept away in a flood and being scattered, but how does the making a name for themselves keep them from being swept away by a flood?

And if every man heard in his own language (note that is doesn't say spoke in their own language) then the language must be able to be interpreted. There is a gift of interpretation, and apparently all the devout men in Acts 2 also got that gift when the spirit fell. And we Christian can hear the voice of the Lord via the Spirit of God. So interpretation of tongues is as easy as listening with our spiritual ears to what the Spirit has to say to the churches. Of course that has been as can be seen in the writings in Revelation to the churches.

 

[dianegcook]

Gen 11:4 The said, "Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.

Humm - This was of course after the flood, and I guess I can see where there might have been a concern about another flood, but it seem to me they were trying to reach into heaven and trying to make a name for themselves. I suppose being in heaven might keep a person from being swept away in a flood and being scattered, but how does the making a name for themselves keep them from being swept away by a flood?

And if every man heard in his own language (note that is doesn't say spoke in their own language) then the language must be able to be interpreted. There is a gift of interpretation, and apparently all the devout men in Acts 2 also got that gift when the spirit fell. And we Christian can hear the voice of the Lord via the Spirit of God. So interpretation of tongues is as easy as listening with our spiritual ears to what the Spirit has to say to the churches. Of course that has been as can be seen in the writings in Revelation to the churches.

Thanks for your reply.
What I am getting at, is, they all spoke and heard with one language, when building the tower, then why wasn't it possible then?
You are saying, that when the Holy Spirit fell and everyone understood each other, it made it possible.

Maybe, I'm misunderstanding your point, lol.
Isn't my first or probably last...

 

[for_his_glory]

This is my take on it if you go back to Genesis 10:8-10.

Nimrod was the son of Cush and the Great Grandson of Noah and all the generations had the same language. Nimrod was a mighty man and rebelled against God and journeyed from the east and found a plain in the land of Shinar and created his own kingdom of Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh as he drew man away from God and they became dependent of his power. Babel is linked with the beginning of the Babylonian Empire with Nimrod being the first king of Babel.

Nimrod had the tower of Babel erected to magnify himself and preserve the unity of those who followed after him being their king. God came down to see the city and the tower that the children of men built. Notice where it says children of men as they were no longer children of God. God knew the evil in their hearts and took from them of what they could imagine to do with this kingdom and confounded their language so they could not understand each other. God then scatter all of them and they left to build the city, which could mean the city of Babylon. Genesis 10:8-10; 11:1-9.

 

[dianegcook]

This is my take on it if you go back to Genesis 10:8-10.

Nimrod was the son of Cush and the Great Grandson of Noah and all the generations had the same language. Nimrod was a mighty man and rebelled against God and journeyed from the east and found a plain in the land of Shinar and created his own kingdom of Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh as he drew man away from God and they became dependent of his power. Babel is linked with the beginning of the Babylonian Empire with Nimrod being the first king of Babel.

Nimrod had the tower of Babel erected to magnify himself and preserve the unity of those who followed after him being their king. God came down to see the city and the tower that the children of men built. Notice where it says children of men as they were no longer children of God. God knew the evil in their hearts and took from them of what they could imagine to do with this kingdom and confounded their language so they could not understand each other. God then scatter all of them and they left to build the city, which could mean the city of Babylon. Genesis 10:8-10; 11:1-9.

Interesting.....

 

[smaller]

I feel like the Lord gave me this teaching, but I'm just putting it out there for you to consider.

Gen 11:6,7 The Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now thing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. Come let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech"

When I first read the Bible this seem like a really strange verse. The people were trying to build a tower to heaven. Well we know that no matter who high they built that tower they were not going to build it high enough to get to heaven. Our rocket ships go to the moon and we don't get to heaven that way. So it became one of those verses you just forget because it doesn't make any sense.

One day I was talking to the Lord and He started telling me something about a connection between the Act 2 coming of the Holy Spirit in tongues. I felt like the Lord was telling me there was a connection between the two events and that when the Holy Spirit fell and the devout men all started speaking in tongue, now nothing would be impossible.

That made some sense to me. We know that all thing are possible with God, and so if we are filled with Him and even praying according to what He has us praying then certainly it must be possible to get it, even if we don't know what we say when speaking in tongues.

So what I am suggest is that think that when the Holy Spirit fell in Acts, it made all things possible for us and we got that tower to heaven via the Holy Spirit. If that is the case, then do we under rate the value of the gift of tongues? I think so, but I'd love to hear what others think.

I might suggest God has a bit more complicated things involved with creation that are beyond our grasp. Currently anyway.

Ecclesiastes 3:11
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

I don't believe in manipulating God or magic formulas that God must respond to. Personally I have no clue what God has on the horizon for me. And I really don't care to know. Surprise me.

Joseph had a dream wherein he saw that all his brothers and his parents bowed down to him. Had he known in advance what that might have entailed he'd have probably blown it, bigtime.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Gen 11:6 The Lord said, "Behold they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them. (Note: God did not view it as for Nimrod, but them the people)

I want to point out that it was not my but THE LORD, who said "now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.

So if there is an agreement over whether at that time "nothing which they purposed to do would be impossible" you'll have to take that up with the Lord.

According to the Lord nothing which they purposed to do would be impossible at that time. So God (apparent the Father, Son, and Spirit) came down solved the problem by having them all speak in different languages.

Gen 11:7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech."

It seems to me that was probably because it would be hard for them to come together as one if they were speaking in different languages.

Now what I feel the Lord was pointing out to me was that when the Spirit came down with tongues of fire in acts, all the devote man understood all that was being said in tongue in their own language. Remember that were from many nations, so it could not have been that others were speaking in their language, else one would hear in his language but the other would not have, so they must all have also gotten the gift of interpreting tongues at the same time. That being the case there were now, via the Holy Spirit, again understanding one another's speech. They again could act as one people, thus reversing what God did in Gen 11, and making His people one but that by Holy Spirit.

So again, "now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible. Of course that only because the Holy Spirit came in acts with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.

And doesn't that fulfill the prayer Jesus made for us to be one?

John 17:22 The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one.

So I conclude by what I read and believe I heard; that God caused people to speak in different languages because they had become as one people and that, according to the Lord, made all things possible for them. God apparently did want all things possible for them until they could be one in the Spirit of God and under His authority. So God had all people speaking different languages, then under the Spirit He gave them the gift of tongues and the ability for us all to hear what the Spirit has to say in our own language. That would again made all things possible, at least to the devout believers who received the Spirit.

I'm sorry if I had not explained it well enough in the first post. I'm not trying to manipulate God, only trying to point out what God did (not from beginning to end but only from and early time to an event recorded in Acts) So I believe we now again can come together as one people under God and have all things possible for us. And if that happened by the Spirit falling with tongues of fire and the gifts of tongues and interpretation, then we should indeed seek the Gifts as Paul wrote.

 

[Sinthesis]

Nice observation. This passage prefigures the Tower of Babel. Basically it demonstrates that it is a bad idea to let fallen man's aspirations thrive unchecked when they aren't guided by the Holy Spirit.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 - Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 - So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.​

 

[Malachi]

do we under rate the value of the gift of tongues?

It is not a question of underrating the gift of tongues at all. If the genuine gift of speaking supernaturally in a language unknown to the speaker had continued, then every church would have at least one such speaker. I'm not referring to babbling but (for example) you speaking Russian fluently and supernaturally (if you don't know Russian).

The fact of the matter is that modern tongues are babblings, and only Pentecostal or Charismatic churches exhibit this. So we must conclude that the genuine gift is no longer applicable.

 

[for_his_glory]

I explained it the way I did because it was Nimrod who chose to walk away from God and build a city unto himself as the tower represented his own power and authority that would reach the heaven over that of Gods power and authority and this is why God came down to see the city and the tower. God said the people are one as in unity of Nimrod and not God as they all have one language and their loyalty to Nimrod and not God as this they began to do anything Nimrod told them to do and no longer restrained from evil as in their hearts was found evil imaginations. God confounded their language so no one could understand what the other was saying and then scattered them throughout the earth, but they continued in building cities that Nimrod ruled over. Genesis 10:8-10; 11:1-9.

There is a connection here with that of Acts 2 as speaking in tongues. Those who followed Nimrod were speaking the tongues of the Devil that gave him glory and those who speak the tongues of the Holy Spirit do so to glorify God.

 

[K2CHRIST]

There is a connection here with that of Acts 2 as speaking in tongues. Those who followed Nimrod were speaking the tongues of the Devil that gave him glory and those who speak the tongues of the Holy Spirit do so to glorify God.

Thanks, I see the point made with Nimrod.

Nimrod did seem to lead the people the wrong way, and it is important to note that we can follow after the wrong person. We can follow after Satan, or just about anyone other the God. It is a good point to make.

Still God holds us the people responsible and it is us who might suffer or not. So when God came down He didn't talk about what Nimrod did but what the people did. We people need to remember it is about what we do. Do we seek the Lord, which is the point made in the quote above, and I liked it so quoted it.

 

[K2CHRIST]

The gift of tongue recorded in acts seems to often be misunderstood. Many people read the event and think those speaking in tongues were speaking in other languages like say Russian or German as opposed to what we call tongues today. That was not the case. Look closer at what was actually written.

Acts 2:5-13 Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation..."

Frist note that those there were from every nation not just two.

"...each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language..."

Second note that it does not say they were speaking in other languages only that they were hearing in their own language!!!

This is important to note because any one person could not have been speaking in more than one language at a time, but whatever was being said was being heard by the devote men in their own language. So they could have been babbling on in any language ( like tongues today comes across) but the devote men were "hearing in their own language". They had the gift of discernment of tongues!!

"...But others were mocking and saying, "They are full of sweet wine"

So there were also men who were not devote believers that were listening in. They were not hearing in their own language otherwise they would have been mocking and saying "They are full of sweet wine".

That happens today. Many people hear others speaking in tongues and mock them, because unless you have the gift of discernment of tongues and hear the Holy Spirit translating what is said into your own language you are going to think tongue today is just babbling. We of course don't want to offend others but want them to seek the Lord for understanding, and Paul gives a nice discourse about this in 1 Cor. Paul writes "Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret."

If we don't interpret, the unbeliever or ungifted person will think we are full of sweet wine, like happened then. Of course the Holy Spirit did give an interpretation about what was happening to Peter,

Acts 2:15 For these men are not drunk as you suppose,... but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS, 'GOD SAYS ,THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND...'

So in acts the gift of tongue was given and it was spoken just like it is today (we are in "THE LAST DAYS'). Yet some hear in their own language and some think it babbling (a word that comes from the city of Babel). Again we see the connection in the thread. WE have an interpretation for those who don't understand, which is basically that God has poured out His Spirit on all mankind in these last days. However sadly many are not seeking the Spirit and what He has to say to us in our own language. If we did all things would be possible because via the Spirit we would have a tower into heaven, and would be one people under God. We are told to seek the Gifts of the Spirit. We are told to listen to what the Spirit says to the churches, but do we do that?

We can see that if we people come together as one people all things become possible for us. We can see that God prevented that happening unless we come together under Him, and not say Satan or Nimrod. Yet we still seem to have a problem of actually fully coming together under God and seeking what He has for us. We don't seek the gifts or the voice of the Holy Spirit who does not speak on HIs own initiative but speaks as He hears from the Lord. So the gift of tongues becomes a sign that we are not hearing what the Spirit has to say to the churches in their own language.

The devote believer can pick it up and understand what is being said in their own language but to others the devote believer is just someone full of sweet wine. That's kind a true. Being full of the Holy Spirit can kind a be compared to being full of that sweet new wine. It all starts making sense when full of the new wine. You feel the Spirit come like tongues of fire. You hear Him talking to you in your own language. You feel the power of the Spirit helping you understand that now all things are possible when you are hooked up with God, And finally you start seeing Him do incredible things in and around your life, and you understand that it is not you but Him.

So you try to stand up before others, like Peter and Paul, but how are they going to get it unless they become devote and start to seek what He has for them. The gifts of the Spirit are good, and the Bible commands that you seek them, all of them. People can make all the excuses they want for not seeking them. They can tell me all their great wisdom about how they work, but they can't understand until they start asking for them. It will just seem like babble to them, and all the time you are hearing the Lord talk to you via the Spirit with words like, "Karl I made the mountain and the mountain is good. But woe to those that worship the mountain. Woe to those that worship the created and not the creator". We worship religion sometimes instead of seeking God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Many have not because they either ask amidst being surrounded by a cloud of confusion as they do not seek the deeper things of Gods purpose for the Church. They would rather believe a lie without searching for truth.