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Nun Going To Jail

Lewis W said:
Jason' I get that my dear brother' but the thing is' it was not my or your house. She was making a statement' and many times you have to go against the grain to do so.
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so you believe that we should trust that china would disarm itself? right sure, Russia? while I don't like the idea of nuclear arms but we can be hit by a tactictal nuke, if that was said during the reagean era we would call her nuts. Russia hasn't changed. its just focused its ways locally
 
In the 70's i had a talk with two missionaries from South America there had been a shooting 3 or 4 Nuns were killed and out of it came a great controversy.. seems the border guards were Catholic they love mother church.. they asked those Nuns to have a look see under a blanket in the back of their station wagon, they found a boat load of communist literature under the blanket.. the guards became so enraged they shot all of them.. You say she was a Nun.. How many of you remember that story.. it was front page news for a while

tob

*edit: Oops.. it was the early 80's
 
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Jason back in my hippie day's we had to protest for a lot of rights that the goverment would not give us. I also had to protest for the fair treatment for people of color' which as you know I am one of them. When we were told that we could not protest because we would be breaking the law' we did it anyway. Because if didn't where do you think we would be today ? I am not jumping up and down with joy because this nun did this, but I understand her. So okay she broke the law but she did not beat anybody up or kill somebody. Give the lady a break and giver her probation' because she has never been in trouble before. I guess they would have kicked me off the bench' because I would not put her in jail for over zealous trying to make a name for themselves prosecutors.
 
Lewis W said:
Jason back in my hippie day's we had to protest for a lot of rights that the goverment would not give us. I also had to protest for the fair treatment for people of color' which as you know I am one of them. When we were told that we could not protest because we would be breaking the law' we did it anyway. Because if didn't where do you think we would be today ? I am not jumping up and down with joy because this nun did this, but I understand her. So okay she broke the law but she did not beat anybody up or kill somebody. Give the lady a break and giver her probation' because she has never been in trouble before. I guess they would have kicked me off the bench' because I would not put her in jail for over zealous trying to make a name for themselves prosecutors.
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did you break into any facilities? did mlk suggest that one vandalise property and graffiti it? a simple signs of protest and marching and she wouldn't be touched. the constution doesn't allow for vandalism. if it did then we could simply break into the ppl abortion clinics and set them in flames. but it doesn't. im sure you would agree that it best that it does. why? because many a churches could be lit up and legally so in the name of a protest
 
Jason I understand all of that' but the jail time that they gave her is to much and I can't be convinced otherwise. Jut like you can't about how you feel.
 
Lewis W said:
Jason I understand all of that' but the jail time that they gave her is to much and I can't be convinced otherwise. Jut like you can't about how you feel.
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its doubtful she will even do that. its likely she may get an early realease. three years is long but well that doesn't mean she cant get parolled earlier. probation? she doesn't work, that would a slap on the wrist.
 
Unless she is a retired nun' she has duty at her church and she will be provided for and that would be her job. But if she needs help I bet you a Catholic sympathizer will help her out with what ever she needs. A nun as you already know' are held in high regard.
 
jasoncran said:
she is legally free to get mail but not visitation as that isn't a right in prison
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You mean to tell me she can't get a visit. Serial killers get visits. I know that it is the right of the prison's to make that determination' BUT! that to me falls under cruel and punishment. And if that's the case they need to be punished.
 
Lewis W said:
You mean to tell me she can't get a visit. Serial killers get visits. I know that it is the right of the prison's to make that determination' BUT! that to me falls under cruel and punishment. And if that's the case they need to be punished.
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visitation isn't a right but a priveledge. if you are sex offender and have kids. you don't have the right to see them. if you are such a risk to others and the guards. you wont get any visitation rights. it doesn't mean the . nun will be that way. if im in solitary. I wont get visits unless its from a clergy, chaplain and warden,, medical. those three are rights that cant be denied
 
jasoncran said:
Russia hasn't changed. otherwise the Ukraine wouldn't be going through what they are now.all it would take for the local plant to meltdown is for someone to block the intake pipe. that could be done at night with a large rock or cement fixture. the guards wouldn't see you and within minutes the reactors would meltdown.
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It is not a nuclear reactor, it is a processing and storage facility. Not the same where the core can melt down if cooling water supply is shut off.
 
Paul1965 said:
It is not a nuclear reactor, it is a processing and storage facility. Not the same where the core can melt down if cooling water supply is shut off.
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fine lets make legal to vandalise in matter protests.

if a church has jesus loves gays as its not a sin. or god is dead on the side of it. then don't whine nor call the cops. its a lawful protest. see where that can lead. yes she didn't harm anyone but it doesn't make what she did right. legal protests have to be peaceful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

is graffiti the right of a peaceful assembly? no it isn't. she deserves some time. if so then I suggest all the hippies and peace lovers be allowed to damage military equipment and not be allowed to stop nor charged.
 
jasoncran said:
fine lets make legal to vandalise in matter protests.

if a church has jesus loves gays as its not a sin. or god is dead on the side of it. then don't whine nor call the cops. its a lawful protest. see where that can lead. yes she didn't harm anyone but it doesn't make what she did right. legal protests have to be peaceful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

is graffiti the right of a peaceful assembly? no it isn't. she deserves some time. if so then I suggest all the hippies and peace lovers be allowed to damage military equipment and not be allowed to stop nor charged.
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Jason I understand what you are saying but you are missing the original points made and repeated often since. That is the harshness of the sentence for the crime she committed. Regardless of how long she serves, 3 years is ridiculous for 1000 bucks worth of damage with no prior arrest record.
The only reason she has been given such a harsh penalty is because she showed up the security (lack there of) and "attacked" a federal "facility" protesting against the government of an often bullying and hypocritical nation (the power brokers and lawmakers not the people).
She's admitted her guilt, we've admitted she overstepped the line but the fact remains 3 years is harsh.

As for your comment "hippies and peace lovers" I'm a little surprised ....or not. They way it comes across is, that hippies and peace lovers should be shown disdain for their "radical" beliefs. I guess i'm not so surprised when the powers that run the US do so by force and try to enforce their will on other countries using weapons in "pre-emptive" strikes.
Think about this, Jesus would be considered a hippie or peace lover by many standards today. Should we therefore show Him disdain because the drivers of the war machine say so? You can't say "No of course not, you're twisting things, or He's not the same" because I'm not. I'm drawing a comparison using what we know about our Lord
 
he wouldn't be a hippie , it believe the monetary amount is what determined the sentencing. if I stole money from I would face such sentence its called grand theft. its at least a year in jail or prison. petty theft is less then 10 dollars in florida. I have been called child killer here, hated by hippies in Washington state for simply doing what I do. I also told my wife I we go to seattle I will not carry my military id for simple it invites a fight. I would get spit on.

if you can show me that the us is aggressive like the ussr then you have a case. i know the sad stories of it abuses but really the ussr? we should go into peace and think that china AND RUSSIA wont take advantage?

many soldiers don't like some of the wars and actions but i have seen things from this side about Russia that the leftist media wont tell.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincial_Reconstruction_Team
what this child killer did in service to said aggressive nation. we gasp helped kids get shots. taught haji not to abuse women and women not to punish kids by boiling water. but we are the bad guys

please protest wars. i don't mind but don't call it a protest when its vandalism. rome was very much aggressive and also oprressive. did jesus send his discpiles to break into roman armories and steal swords and property?
 
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