Only ONE TRUE GOD.

[Imagican]

scorpia,

I realize that you don't know me. But I CAN offer this; those that belong to Christ and God KNOW and recognize their brothers and sisters IN Christ. How? By their fruit. That is, the manifestation of The Spirit within their lives.

With this stated, let me offer this; I am as much so OR MORE confident in what I offer as you are. The BIGGEST difference is that, I had NO MAN offer me ANYTHING concerning God or Christ, other than the desire to learn 'the truth'. And, if I had simply accepted what a 'church' had to offer, I would STILL be as ignorant as I was BEFORE being 'saved'.

I have visited the 'churches' and have found that, at times, those that are supposedly there to 'LEAD' the flock, have fallen into 'doctrine' as their guide, rather than allowing the FATHER, through His Son, to be the guide through The Spirit. I know this sounds a bit complicated, but it's really NOT. Man has learned to 'lean upon his OWN understanding', more so than God OR His Son. Believing that they 'have it ALL figured out', they have simply 'accepted', rather than open their minds and hearts to their Creator. Scorpia, do you truly realize that WHAT God wants more than ANYTHING, is a PERSONAL relationship with His children? And the ONLY way that this IS possible is through His Son? And it ALL revolves around ONE PRINCIPLE. And that principle IS...........Love. Love for God, our Father AND the Father of Christ, and Love for each other.

So, what I offer is that which has been FREELY offered to me through The Spirit. I can accept it as NOTHING else. If I am wrong, then I am responsible for what I have been 'led' to accept. And, having a PERSONAL relationship with God, I find this to be IMPOSSIBLE. For God WILL NOT lead me in 'the wrong' direction.

Now this leads back to 'trinity'. Do you even KNOW where this 'trinity' came from? Do you KNOW that this word does NOT EVEN EXIST in scripture? Do you KNOW that those that created it had already been exposed to a 'triune' god PREVIOUS to their introduction to Christianity?

So, what I have to offer is NOT tainted with such 'man-made' doctrine. My understanding is NOT based on what 'men' have taught me. I have read the scriptures MANY times and read them constantly, (daily), still. I pray for understanding and have been 'led' to accept what I have been offered REGARDLESS of what 'men' would teach me. And what I have been 'led' to understand is what I offer. Nothing more, nothing less. For that is what I have been COMMANDED to do. Offer my testimony to ANY that will listen.

Scorpia, do yourself a favor and read through the letters of Paul to the different churches concerning those that would come along and 'change' the gospel of Christ. Then compare this 'trinity' to what has been OFFERED by Christ and His apostles. I have 'changed' NOTHING. I have simply accepted what has been offered and offer it in return. I take NOTHING away from scripture. I MUST admit that I DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVERY WORD OR EVERY SENTENCE offered, but I KNOW that MUCH of what I understand IS 'the truth'. And MUCH of what I understand is in direct oposition to what the 'churches' teach. For the 'churches' are institutions of 'men', rather than institutions of God. For upon the 'death' of Christ, God NO LONGER dwelt inside a 'temple'. The 'Temple of God' is WITHIN those that have accepted the 'gift' offered and 'need' no 'man-made' assurance of 'their faith'.

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Scorpia,

In this, you won't even find 'trintarians' that will 'agree' with you.

To me God is only One, that is the Father is Jesus and Jesus is the Father as the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son. Why? This is the revelation that we received from the Lord Jesus Christ himself. God is alive and He is no other that Jesus whom if you will call on and come to at this very point in time, it will surely be a very big break through in your life. Go direct to God and you will be fed by the Lord with the right food.

For EVEN they realize that The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit ARE separate parts of 'the same' God. The Father is NOT The Son. The Father is NOT The Spirit. As far as 'trinity' is concerned, EACH is a 'separate part' of God. ALL three making up the ONE God.

I am NOT a 'trinitarian'. I do NOT believe that something that is a 'part' of God, MUST BE God. God has created EVERYTHING. But EVERYTHING is NOT God. A 'part' of God, no doubt, but there is ONLY ONE GOD. And this God IS The Father of EVERYTHING, including The Son, Jesus Christ.

And scorpia, I DO go DIRECTLY to God, through His Son. Which we have been offered is the ONLY WAY. I am not to judge such, but that IS what has been offered through scripture. And God has NOT revealed to me that His Son IS Himself. I pray TO the Father, through His Son. I pray in the 'name of' Jesus Christ, but I pray directly TO God. For it was Christ that WAS OFFERED, BY GOD, as the sacrifice for sin. Christ simply accepted and followed the will of The Father. What He offered was 'given to Him' by God, and UNTIL His return, God IS 'The KING of this universe'. Unlike the Jews, at the time of Saul, I have NO PROBLEM accepting God as MY KING, and will have NO PROBLEM accepting His Son as my King upon His return to this earth.

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Scorpia,

For the sake of friendship, I am going to assume that you are 'serious' with your 'last' statements.

With this in mind, let me 'ASSURE' you that I am PERFECTLY content in my relationship with God. NOT perfectly content with the 'world' that I often 'let get in the way', but that God has chosen to 'reveal' Himself to me, in THIS, I AM perfectly content.

I could give you my testimony concerning 'who' I was before God 'coming into my life'. Don't want to bore you with the 'story'. But let me ASSURE you that I have witnessed miracles BEYOND belief in my life. God has made 'changes' that COULD NOT have been made, ANY OTHER WAY. To sum it up, where I was ONCE LOST, now I have been found. Where I once was VOID of ANY understanding of 'love', at least I now have an 'idea' of what it REALLY means. Where I once LIVED for Satan and this world, I now am able to at least PARTIALLY resist temptation. Not 'perfect' yet, (probably NEVER will be), but at least now I am 'traveling in the RIGHT direction. And that IS enough for now. As I am given, so shall I receive. At least I'm NOT fooling myself into believing that I'm something other than what I 'truly am', (a fool for Christ, if you will), and NOTHING more.

MEC

 

[Oscar3]

Mec
Who is the alpha and the omega?

Mec
Who is Isa talking about here?


6 For unto us a Child is born,

Unto us a Son is given;

And the government will be upon His shoulder.

And His name will be called

Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of His government and peace

There will be no end,

Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,

To order it and establish it with judgment and justice

From that time forward, even forever.

The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia - I'm going to respond to one of your posts that you made above to me. Initially I didn't notice that you posted twice but I think it is futile for me to regurgitate responses to your questions - which you seem unable to understand. I'm not saying this to be critical of you but just as an observation that you seem to miss the spirit of what is being said and are focussing on pulling apart sentences / paragraphs which lose their context when you do this.

This is where I need your help, if you see that I am missing your point just tell me where and how did I miss you so that I may readdress them the way you wanted them to be addressed to and I agree with you to really not have to regurgitate responses for those questions. Thanks if you may do it for me this time.

 

[scorpia]

scorpia,

Concerning your question of percentage. I have NO exact answer for such a question. What percentage are we of Christ? What percentage of woman is man? What percentage are YOU of YOUR FATHER? These are questions that have no obvious answer as provided by scripture.

I am glad, this time, that you are saying what is just within your capability as human being.
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What I WILL offer is that Christ, when present here on this earth, was NO MORE than half spirit and half man, if He could even be described in such terms. He WAS present in the flesh and that in itself shows that He could NOT BE God Himself. For the Bible offers that NO ONE has EVER seen God.

I agree that no one, including myself, has ever seen God at any point in time. Maybe this is the primary reason why you do not believe that Jesus is God for the fact that many had seen Jesus during the biblical time of his existence here on earth. Now I am seeing a biblical passage that makes you to hold on to and pursue this kind of belief in your life. But offering me that Christ, when present here on this earth, was NO MORE than half spirit and half man, what would that mean in simple language that even a seven years old child can understand?

Yet MANY saw The Son of God. Short of manipulation of scripture, this stands true today as it ALWAYS has; NO ONE has EVER seen God. Manifestations of the Spirit, NO DOUBT, but God Himself, if ANYONE HAS, then the Bible contradicts itself. I don't believe this to be possible so I will stick to what I have offered.

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I am sure you believe that Jesus is still alive and real today and in the times to come and so with the Father, don't you? And that from the bible you know these things about God and the Lord Jesus too, don't you? My question now are, Is the Father the bible? Is the Lord Jesus the bible? Can't you ask these things direct from the Father and from Jesus , too?

Why do you have to solely rely from the bible itself for the TRUTH when God and the Lord Jesus are always available to all of us to answer and teach us what we need in our life to solve all these problems engulfing the whole world of Christianity?

How did you know that God is contradicting himself when in fact the bible is not the Lord Jesus and the Almighty God? Even in any court litigation, the accused is always given his day in court, why can't you give God the same treatment, why just rely on the bible when you believe God and the Lord Jesus are alive and real?

You have all the right to stick to what you have offered and that is your right but same will only continue to hold on while we are still on this earth. I hope that you might be saved by that offering when judgment day comes.

 

[mutzrein]

Scorpia - from your understanding of what the bible says, do you believe it contains error?

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia - from your understanding of what the bible says, do you believe it contains error?

Before I go straight to your question let me refresh you of who really am I when it comes to the topic of religion. For 32 years I was raised a Catholic, for 16 years more or less, I was deeply involved in a born again movement and during those times, forty eight years to be exact since childbirth, I BELIEVED the bible was INFALLIBLE, without any error/s in it. But when the Lord came in to our life (for the first time) in July of 2001, things about the bible gradually began to change in our life all because of the teachings that we received and are still receiving directly from the Lord God Jesus Christ. It is from the Lord Jesus Christ that we learned that the bible is not infallible and that it contains many errrors.

Here now are my final answers to your question.

1, From my own understanding (for a period of 48 years since childbirth) before, the bible was infallible, without errors in it.

2. But beginiing the year 2001 to present, from what we have learned and accepted from the Lord God Jesus Christ, the bible contains many errors and same could not be trusted at all.

 

[scorpia]

scorpia,

As to your second question. This one is easier than the first.

How can we and Christ be separate entities at the same time we are ONE?

Truly that we and Christ are seperate entities but never that we and Christ are one physically or in the nature of being. We as human beings and Christ as spirit being, the Almighty One, will always be a seperate entities physically. Spiritually speaking, yes we and Christ are One because we emanate from Christ.

[quote:c0250]How can a man and a woman be separate entities, yet upon their wedding, be one?

I'm sorry but I do not believe that a woman and a man be one upon their wedding because they are still a seperate being after their wedding and never it would happen that they will become one throughout their life, physically and spiritually, If there is one thing that would become one after their wedding, they are their future offspring who will be the flesh of his(man) flesh and the flesh of her(woman) flesh. What am I saying now to you? The Lord said to us that what He actually said then to Adam and Eve was that He will give them (man and a woman) one flesh instead of them becoming one flesh when joined in marriege. And this is one example of error in the bible if we are to consult the Lord God himself.

How can a father have a son and the two of them be a 'part' of the 'same' family, yet remain separate entities. I am NOT avoiding an answer to your question by offering questions in return. Just trying to make a point.

But God is not comparable to a family because God is only one. I understand what you are saying above but that is not how God is actually existing. The big problem lies with the stubborness of the people of not calling on and coming to God to get from Him the truth of who really is God, what is God, how does God exist in His own way, etc., etc., Sorry but the way I see it, your point does not seem to fit likely to what I am asking of you.

Here's what we have. We have Christ Himself offering that what He gave to us as The Word was NOT of His own design, BUT given Him by The Father. We have Christ offering that the power that He exhibited was NOT His OWN, but given Him by The Father. We have God's voice being heard as saying, ''This is MY Son, in whom 'I' am well pleased''. We have Christ praying to the Father, (God), 'let this cup pass from me'. or 'forgive them Father, for they know NOT what they do'.

These are OBVIOUS examples of 'how' Christ and God ARE separate entities. One does NOT pray to 'themselves'. One does NOT offer that 'I am MY OWN Son, in whom I am well pleased'. For Christ to BE God would VOID any semblance of understanding POSSIBLE concerning these statements.

I admit that if we will just base all things from the bible, it would seem to appear God and the Lord Jesus in a way you are describing them above (in your quote), no doubt about that. But the big problem is that it is totally different from what we learned and from what we are still learning from the Lord God Jesus Chrsit himself, it is the fact that the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father and the totality of the Son and the Father is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ himself who is the Almighty Lord God of all. I don't know if I am coming to you clearly this time.

Your ARM is your arm, a 'part' of your body but CERTAINLY not YOUR BODY. It is a 'separate' part of you yet STILL a part of you even though it is NOT YOU.

What I know is that my arms, left and right, are parts of my body and so is my eyes but they are always attached to my body and never in any case that they are sepeated from my body.

You ARE your fathers son. Formed through what he gave to you. Yet you and your father are NOT the same entities.

I agree and we are not one physically and spiritually with respect to being but not with respect to spiritual belief which we maybe one.

In the 'same' respect, Jesus IS The Son of God. A 'part' of God, for we KNOW that He IS the ONLY Begotten of God. That is ALSO another distinction that has been offered to Christ, further illustrating that HE IS NOT God, the Father.

Now go slow in this part, based on your analogy, it is as if Jesus was the arm and the Father was the body, it shows then that Jesus was attached to the body always, how can they be a seperate entities then? Cut the arms and the body will be incomplete, is this also true with God, take out Jesus and the God who is the Father will be incomplete? If I took you wrong, I do ask for more enlightenment.

Another on

It is ONLY 'trinity' that insists that ALL three, Father Son and Holy Spirit MUST be 'parts' of the 'same God. I accept ONLY ONE GOD. And the God that I accept IS the Father of Jesus Christ. And I KNOW that God is ALSO the God of Christ as well. His Father, and His God.

[/quote:c0250]

Same with me, I do accept what Jesus teaches the world today that God is only One.

 

[scorpia]

scorpia,

[quote:d228f]With this stated, let me offer this; I am as much so OR MORE confident in what I offer as you are. The BIGGEST difference is that, I had NO MAN offer me ANYTHING concerning God or Christ, other than the desire to learn 'the truth'

Meaning you came to know God by your desire to learn the truth concerning HIm, what do consider yourself then? By what means did you satisfy your desire to learn the truth? How did you ever conclude that you have found the answers to your desire to learn the truth?
[quote:d228f]
And, if I had simply accepted what a 'church' had to offer, I would STILL be as ignorant as I was BEFORE being 'saved'.

No doubt about it.

I have visited the 'churches' and have found that, at times, those that are supposedly there to 'LEAD' the flock, have fallen into 'doctrine' as their guide, rather than allowing the FATHER, through His Son, to be the guide through The Spirit. I know this sounds a bit complicated, but it's really NOT

Indeed, it is not to me either because I know God is the only One who can lead us ALL to the TRUTH.

Man has learned to 'lean upon his OWN understanding', more so than God OR His Son. Believing that they 'have it ALL figured out', they have simply 'accepted', rather than open their minds and hearts to their Creator. Scorpia

And I hope you are not one among them. Go on.

, do you truly realize that WHAT God wants more than ANYTHING, is a PERSONAL relationship with His children?

What I know that God wants us to do is to seek on, call on, and come on to God himself so that we can have God as our Good Pastor and Teacher of all things and I can sum this up as "relationship with God" to jibe with what you are saying, what do you say?

And the ONLY way that this IS possible is through His Son? And it ALL revolves around ONE PRINCIPLE. And that principle IS...........Love. Love for God, our Father AND the Father of Christ, and Love for each other.

I'm sorry but I think you are only coming from a theoretical understanding of the passages of the bible in this part. The only possible build up of relationship with God is a conclusive desire on our part to seek our very own salvation who is no other than God himself, call on and come to Him and ask Him to be our Leader, our Good Pastor, and Teacher. There and only then that God will come in to our life to have this relationship with God come into effect and He will be the One to teach how to love, how to truly worship God, etc.

So, what I offer is that which has been FREELY offered to me through The Spirit. I can accept it as NOTHING else.

I can't figured out what you are saying here. The denominations usually say this thing and I see no difference between you and them in this part. Did the Holy Spirit teach this thing to you? If yes, how did the Holy Spirit did this to you?

If I am wrong, then I am responsible for what I have been 'led' to accept.

Indeed, no other but you.

And, having a PERSONAL relationship with God, I find this to be IMPOSSIBLE. For God WILL NOT lead me in 'the wrong' direction.

God will surely lead anyone to the right direction but what I am not hearing from you is that God, in leading us, will set before us several trials for God to see us if we will be able to pass or not the said trials.

Now this leads back to 'trinity'. Do you even KNOW where this 'trinity' came from? Do you KNOW that this word does NOT EVEN EXIST in scripture? Do you KNOW that those that created it had already been exposed to a 'triune' god PREVIOUS to their introduction to Christianity?

We can skip this part, I am not a trinitarian.

So, what I have to offer is NOT tainted with such 'man-made' doctrine. My understanding is NOT based on what 'men' have taught me. I have read the scriptures MANY times and read them constantly, (daily), still. I pray for understanding and have been 'led' to accept what I have been offered REGARDLESS of what 'men' would teach me. And what I have been 'led' to understand is what I offer. Nothing more, nothing less. For that is what I have been COMMANDED to do. Offer my testimony to ANY that will listen.

Who led you to accept what and who commanded you to offer this thing you are telling me now? Please make a detailed accounts for these two issues if you may:

1. who led you to accept what?

2. who commanded you to offer all of what you are saying here?

and most of all, HOW did it happen?

Scorpia, do yourself a favor and read through the letters of Paul to the different churches concerning those that would come along and 'change' the gospel of Christ. Then compare this 'trinity' to what has been OFFERED by Christ and His apostles. I have 'changed' NOTHING. I have simply accepted what has been offered and offer it in return. I take NOTHING away from scripture. I MUST admit that I DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVERY WORD OR EVERY SENTENCE offered, but I KNOW that MUCH of what I understand IS 'the truth'. And MUCH of what I understand is in direct oposition to what the 'churches' teach. For the 'churches' are institutions of 'men', rather than institutions of God. For upon the 'death' of Christ, God NO LONGER dwelt inside a 'temple'. The 'Temple of God' is WITHIN those that have accepted the 'gift' offered and 'need' no 'man-made' assurance of 'their faith'.

[/quote:d228f][/quote:d228f]
As what I have said, we are no trinitarians hence no need to compare things with them. We are directly getting and learning things of God from the Lord God Jesus Christ himself, not from any man, men, of fellow men and/or from any human beings.

 

[mutzrein]

Before I go straight to your question let me refresh you of who really am I when it comes to the topic of religion. For 32 years I was raised a Catholic, for 16 years more or less, I was deeply involved in a born again movement and during those times, forty eight years to be exact since childbirth, I BELIEVED the bible was INFALLIBLE, without any error/s in it. But when the Lord came in to our life (for the first time) in July of 2001, things about the bible gradually began to change in our life all because of the teachings that we received and are still receiving directly from the Lord God Jesus Christ. It is from the Lord Jesus Christ that we learned that the bible is not infallible and that it contains many errrors.

Here now are my final answers to your question.

1, From my own understanding (for a period of 48 years since childbirth) before, the bible was infallible, without errors in it.

2. But beginiing the year 2001 to present, from what we have learned and accepted from the Lord God Jesus Christ, the bible contains many errors and same could not be trusted at all.

Oh OK. Would you care to name a few?

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia,

And God has NOT revealed to me that His Son IS Himself.

Let us tresh this out properly, how did God revealed himself to you in the first place and how sure are you that it is the Lord God? Please tell us what exactly transpired between you and God in this part in a way that Paul did describe his experience with Jesus is his way to Damascus.

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia,

For the sake of friendship, I am going to assume that you are 'serious' with your 'last' statements.

Indeed I am and I treat you as a good friend,

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I could give you my testimony concerning 'who' I was before God 'coming into my life'.

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You can give it to me through my email address, adlemsot@yahoo.com.

I'll wait for your testimonies' arrival.

 

[mutzrein]

Scorpia - would you mind if I sent you something to read too?

 

[scorpia]

Oh OK. Would you care to name a few?

Here they are:

A. The bible says in John 1:1, In the beginning was the word,..............

God's actual utterance: In the beginning God spoke...............

B. The bible says in Matt. 16:19. .............and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

God's actual utterance: .............................and if you are bound in earth, you shall be loosed in heaven, and if you are bound in heaven, you shall be loosed in earth.

C. The bible says in Matt. 28:19. Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,................

God's actual utterance: Go ye therefore and teach all nations, and I Am baptizing you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,................

Miscellaneous: The word "Son of man" is not true nor was uttered by the Lord. Zafiro and Zafira in the book of Acts did not really die when they lied to the apostles. Adam and Eve were not naked when they ate the forbidden fruit because the Lord made for them animal skin when they were created. Further the Lord said to them that they will be clothed with sin by the time that they eat of the fruit of the knowledge of the good and the evil. God did not really say to them that they will surely die if they eat the said fruit.

God also said that He will give them (the man and a woman) one flesh afterwards they join in marriege, not that they will become one flesh. The one flesh that the Lord will give to them after marriege is the offspring who is the flesh of the woman's flesh and the flesh of man's flesh.

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia - would you mind if I sent you something to read too?

Not at all, send it through my email address as posted in one of my posts. The longer your article will be, the more that I am interested in reading them.

 

[jgredline]

Scorpia
I was PM'd this and I have to ask....

Before I go straight to your question let me refresh you of who really am I when it comes to the topic of religion. For 32 years I was raised a Catholic, for 16 years more or less, I was deeply involved in a born again movement and during those times, forty eight years to be exact since childbirth, I BELIEVED the bible was INFALLIBLE, without any error/s in it. But when the Lord came in to our life (for the first time) in July of 2001, things about the bible gradually began to change in our life all because of the teachings that we received and are still receiving directly from the Lord God Jesus Christ. It is from the Lord Jesus Christ that we learned that the bible is not infallible and that it contains many errrors.

Now Scorpia
How is it that you go from looking at yourself in the singular and as you move through your mini biography you move into the plural?

You go from the first person personal pronoun ''I'' and then to the plural words ''WE'', or ''OUR'' 'RECEIVING' that are all words used to describe
more than one....The fact that you said ''It is from the Lord Jesus Christ that we learned that the bible is not infallible and that it contains many errrors. '' is telling me that the we in you are demons.

From going back and reading some of what you have written in the past, this makes sense to me. The fact that you believe Jesus is God, adds no credability to your post, because as the Bible teaches. Even the demons believe......

Now if you would like help, I will do my best to get you hooked up with some missionaries in the phipinnes. You need to ask and make that first move as an act of faith...What say you?

 

[Vic C.]

Here they are:

A. The bible says in John 1:1, In the beginning was the word,..............

God's actual utterance: In the beginning God spoke..................

Ok, I have to throw my hat into the ring and ask that you prove such interpretations, keeping in mind:

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Until then, I will stick to a literal translation from Greek to English.

Thanks in advance.

 

[scorpia]

Ok, I have to throw my hat into the ring and ask that you prove such interpretations, keeping in mind:

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Until then, I will stick to a literal translation from Greek to English.

Thanks in advance.

May I ask you first how do you know God? How do you understand how God does exist especially in our time today? How do you differentiate God vis a vis the bible? Without knowing these things from you, I may find it hard to tell you the things of God.

 

[Vic C.]

No disrespect but I asked a simple question that has gone unanswered. I'm really not up to playing post tag. You made some outlandish claims now it's up to you to back them up. I'm also not inclined to accept textual criticism of scripture, so personal, private revelation of Scripture that completely changes God's word does not hold water. No Greek supports your interpretation.