Only ONE TRUE GOD.

[Vic C.]

Hey, Vic.
Is scorpia deceived and listening to a spirit not from God?

Everything she posts contrasted to the Scriptures we've been posting seem to suggest that, heh? To read Scripture and come to conclusions that may differ from conventional Christian beliefs pale in comparison to denying Scripture altogether and coming to conclusions on one's own.

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Prov 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

The LORD has provided us with HIS Comfortor to aid us in understanding HIS written word. That can not and should not be denied. People become all confused when they misunderstand the roles of the Father, the Son and the HS.

 

[Solo]

The Holy Spirit is infallible and it is He who teaches me the truth. It is sad that there are those who do not believe what the Word of God says because the spirit that they worship is not from God, nor can it interpret the Word of God.

Many are on the path that leads to destruction because they have rejected the true Christ, and have instead put their faith in a false Christ so that they could continue their life of rebellion. Sad indeed.

 

[Vic C.]

The Holy Spirit is infallible and it is He who teaches me the truth. It is sad that there are those who do not believe what the Word of God says because the spirit that they worship is not from God, nor can it interpret the Word of God....

My point exactly.

If you didn’t even have a Bible, you would not have so many errors in your thinking because of how you have added false ideas to what was written and how it has been translated with these false ideas embedded in it.

Read the last paragraph in my post above. I understand that you posted this as I was submitting my post.

 

[unred typo]

Vic, would you mind putting my name on my quotes so everyone will know who you are responding to? Especially if you pull something out of the entire post, so the reader can read it in the context it was written? Thank you.

The LORD has provided us with HIS Comfortor to aid us in understanding HIS written word. That can not and should not be denied. People become all confused when they misunderstand the roles of the Father, the Son and the HS.

Doesn’t it seem a bit strange to you that if the written word was the most important way of understanding what God is trying to tell us that he would have had the disciples write it before he left? You see the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost and not the Bible. The truths that the Spirit leads us in are the laws of God written on our hearts and words of God spoken to our hearts, interpreting those laws of love and mercy so we know how to live with our brothers. What do we need to know to be saved but to follow peace with all men and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord?
:-?

 

[Solo]

Vic, would you mind putting my name on my quotes so everyone will know who you are responding to? Especially if you pull something out of the entire post, so the reader can read it in the context it was written? Thank you.



Doesn’t it seem a bit strange to you that if the written word was the most important way of understanding what God is trying to tell us that he would have had the disciples write it before he left? You see the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost and not the Bible. The truths that the Spirit leads us in are the laws of God written on our hearts and words of God spoken to our hearts, interpreting those laws of love and mercy so we know how to live with our brothers. What do we need to know to be saved but to follow peace with all men and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord?
:-?

So explain to this forum where you learned about Jesus Christ from other than that which is given us in the New Testament Scriptures.

 

[Vic C.]

Vic, would you mind putting my name on my quotes so everyone will know who you are responding to? Especially if you pull something out of the entire post, so the reader can read it in the context it was written? Thank you.

You wish is my... oh never mind.

...Doesn’t it seem a bit strange to you that if the written word was the most important way of understanding what God is trying to tell us that he would have had the disciples write it before he left? You see the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost and not the Bible. The truths that the Spirit leads us in are the laws of God written on our hearts and words of God spoken to our hearts, interpreting those laws of love and mercy so we know how to live with our brothers. What do we need to know to be saved but to follow peace with all men and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord?
:-?

I suggest you do a search on the word "saved" in the Bible. God's word will show you what you need to do in order to be saved. The word occurs in the KJV 57 times... just like the number of variaty of food products in the Heinz product list. :-D http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_195

 

[unred typo]

So explain to this forum where you learned about Jesus Christ from other than that which is given us in the New Testament Scriptures.

The scriptures are given so that we can learn about the facts of Jesus Christ, so we will know that by repentance and following Christ we will be born of the Spirit. You don’t need a Bible to hear that. You can pass that along in a few sentences, from one believer to another. The doctrines that divide the body of Christ are all based on misunderstanding letters that were sent to churches to straighten out some error that was causing dissention and discontent. They were not intended for us to privately interpret into our lives and to make doctrines out of. These doctrines are being used by Satan to divide and confuse the people of God. Can’t you see this, right here in this forum?

 

[unred typo]

I suggest you do a search on the word "saved" in the Bible. God's word will show you what you need to do in order to be saved. The word occurs in the KJV 57 times... just like the number of variaty of food products in the Heinz product list.

This is how you get into trouble, Vic. I’m not saying that this is not a good way to study a subject, but unless you go to each passage and carefully read how the word is being used, you can easily take that word out of the context it was written in and build a false doctrine from disjointed verses. When you have been filled with wrong ideas, based on scriptures used like this, it is very hard to let the actual meaning come to your heart.

:smt101 :smt090 :smt103

 

[Vic C.]

If you take all the passages that have the word saved in them, you would come to the conclusion that Faith in Jesus saves.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Why make it more than it says?

 

[Solo]

If you take all the passages that have the word saved in them, you would come to the conclusion that Faith in Jesus saves.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Why make it more than it says?

Because it does not fit HIS theological bias, truth or not.

 

[Vic C.]

Because it does not fit HIS theological bias, truth or not.

Miahael, are you saying HIS, as in the LORD, or HIS, as in Unred? (I will assume the latter)

 

[Solo]

Miahael, are you saying HIS, as in the LORD, or HIS, as in Unred? (I will assume the latter)

Emphatical HIS for unred. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[unred typo]

If you take all the passages that have the word saved in them, you would come to the conclusion that Faith in Jesus saves.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Why make it more than it says?

I’m not making more of what it says but you are stripping it of it’s meaning. When the early believers confessed the Lord Jesus, they were confessing that he was their Lord and savior that had given to them the way of salvation through the things that he taught. Yes, it was by faith. They had faith in what he said they must do to be saved.

Remember Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Abraham believed everything God told him and he did it. God told him to leave Ur, he left. God told him to send Hagar away, he sent her away. God told him to offer Isaac for a sacrifice, he would have done even that if the Lord had not stopped him.

Notice it says that with the heart, man believes unto righteousness, not salvation. Righteousness brings salvation. We do what Jesus commands (love one another, forgive, etc) and we repent of our failures to obey and he helps us to overcome and cleanses us in his blood when we call on him. We don’t just call on him to save us, but to confess our sin and repent to him, asking him to forgive us and help us overcome sin.

Words like ‘faith’ and ‘believe’ and ‘confess’ represent actions that must be done, not just given mental assent to.

 

[scorpia]

Peter, who walked with the Lord, says no one is to privately interpret.

I agree that no one should privately interpret the bible.

[quote:d69f1]I believe what you are doing is worse than private interpretation; you refure Scripture.

Am I the one? I do tell you that we learned them directly from the Lord Jesus Christ hence you must also call on and come to Jesus so that the Lord may come in to your life, too. It is from the mouth of the Lord that we heard the bible is tainted with errors and many in it are not included, why accuse me of refuting scripture? Why can't you go direct to God and ask God the truth behinds these things I'm telling you? Where is your faith in God that He is alive and real?

You have no proof whatsoever that God did not, nor is incapable of preserving HIS word.

What for when God is open to all? It is up for the people to come to or not to come to God. God will prove himself to those who truly seek and trust Him. The trouble is with the people themselves, they want God the way they understand God in the passages of the bible and not in the way that God is existing in His own way.

Your say your problem is with man, but you deny Scripture; you never use it and you are in danger of denying the HS of His work in instructing us in the word of God.

I deny those parts that the Lord had already taught us to be erratic but retain those parts which to the Lord taught us to be authentic. I'm not acting on my own nor do I overtake the decision of the Lord. I do tell you that it is the Lord himself who is teaching mankind, not the HS.

You'd know absolutely nothing about Jesus if God didn't preserve HIS word for all to learn from and use to spread HIS word; not the word of someone's alleged revelations.

Truly the bible is with us so that we may know that there is r eally God but same is not meant to be our teacher nor our guide in knowing God, it is the Lord God Jesus Christ himself who is our Teacher and Guide in knowing God. We should learn and study from the Lord himself and not from the bible. The bible should get us nigh with God and not with itself.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Like this one, the Lord said that what He really said in this particular verse is this one: In the beginning, the Lord spoke.........

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

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See, those verses are pointing at to the Lord God hence we must come to God for us to be under the direct tutelage of God himself. Concentrate on God and not on the scripture.

 

[scorpia]

They had faith in what he said they must do to be saved.

This is it, the one that is meaty and juicy. The same must be true in our life today that after calling on and coming to Jesus Christ, Jesus will come in to our life and there and only then that faith will come in to us by believing what the Lord will say (to us) that we must do to be saved. It is inevitable for anyone to call on, come to, and encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ if he really wants to be saved.

 

[scorpia]

The scriptures are given so that we can learn about the facts of Jesus Christ

If this is true, then bible readers must be one in knowing Christ and no arguments whatsoever whether Jesus is man or the One True God, no more denominations and no more different doctrines about Christ.

[quote:cea00]
, so we will know that by repentance and following Christ we will be born of the Spirit.

We will know the real meaning of this from God Jesus Christ himself but not from the bible. The only accurate and absolute knowledge that we can be sure of to get from the bible is the fact that there is really God existing both in heavens and in earth at all ages. If we want more than this, we must call on and come to God and have ourselves be under the direct tutelage of the One True God - Jesus Christ.

You don’t need a Bible to hear that.

Because it is God himelf who we need to hear and learn all about it.

They were not intended for us to privately interpret into our lives and to make doctrines out of. These doctrines are being used by Satan to divide and confuse the people of God. Can’t you see this, right here in this forum?

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A very nice 20 - 20 vision, no eye glass is needed in this part.

 

[unred typo]

If this is true, then bible readers must be one in knowing Christ and no arguments whatsoever whether Jesus is man or the One True God, no more denominations and no more different doctrines about Christ.

If all Bible readers would just take the Bible description of who Jesus Christ is, and not add or subtract from it, we would be one as he is one with the Father. Do you agree with all of these statements: God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself on the cross. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus is the express image of God in human form. Jesus is the word of God made flesh. God is love and he who dwells in love, dwells in God.

We will know the real meaning of this (being born again) from God Jesus Christ himself but not from the bible. The only accurate and absolute knowledge that we can be sure of to get from the bible is the fact that there is really God existing both in heavens and in earth at all ages. If we want more than this, we must call on and come to God and have ourselves be under the direct tutelage of the One True God - Jesus Christ.

Do you believe that the story of Jesus dying for our sin is true? Do you believe we can trust that God will forgive our sin if we confess it and forsake it? Did God tell you these things or did you learn them from the Bible?

Because it is God himelf who we need to hear and learn all about it.

What do you do when someone claims to hear God speaking and they say something that contradicts what God has told you? In other words, how do you test what someone tells you about God, and whether they are speaking God’s words? Or do you not compare what God says to each of you? The Bible says there were arguments in the early church, and disagreements between believers. Didn’t they all hear the words of Jesus Christ?

A very nice 20 - 20 vision, no eye glass is needed in this part.

I agree with much of what you say but I don’t have Jesus speaking to me in visions or voices. I have thoughts that come to me that help me understand what I read. I thought this is the Holy Spirit, but you say we are only taught by the Lord Jesus Christ himself? Where do these verses about the Holy Spirit come from if they are not true? Can you be deceived by Satan if you have wrong ideas that need to change but you still hold on to them? Do all of your church believe the same way you do, and do they all receive teaching from God and does everyone hear him together at the same time? How often do you hear from him?

Sorry for so many questions but I would like to understand exactly what you are saying.

 

[scorpia]

If all Bible readers would just take the Bible description of who Jesus Christ is, and not add or subtract from it, we would be one as he is one with the Father.

Still it would not suffice, we really need the Lord Jesus himself as our Teacher so that we will know directly from Him the truth about God. Adding and subtracting cannot be avoided because there is no one teaching them the right ones from the bible.

[quote:69afa] Do you agree with all of these statements: God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself on the cross.

How can this be when in the reality of the existence of God, God himself and Christ is only One. Jesus is the Father and the Father is Jesus. God is Jesus Christ, the One True God.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus himself is the One True God. Call on and come to Jesus and He will tell you this truth.

Jesus is the express image of God in human form.

Even Adam and Eve knew that Jesus is the Almighty God because the Lord told them that the name of God is Jesus hence He forbade them to use the name Jesus in naming their offspring and their offsprings' offsprings. It so happened that Jesus dwelt all His fullness of Godhood to the man born of Mary and that man became the expressed image of God then in the eyes of many people.

Jesus is the word of God made flesh.

The right words here is Jesus, the Almighty God dwelt in the flesh

God is love and he who dwells in love, dwells in God.

Absolutely but you can only dwell in love when you seek and find Jesus Christ, the One True God. You dwell in love when Jesus is already your Teacher.

I agree with much of what you say but I don’t have Jesus speaking to me in visions or voices.

Jesus is open to all regardless of races and tongues and I know Jesus sees the sincerity of your words here and all I can say to you is to diligently seek Jesus true to your heart and your soul and try to come directly to Him, talk to Him and ask of Him to be your Teacher. Throw away all your knowledge and wisdom except for one, your belief that there is really God whom you can call on any time you wishes to in your life. In that way, you have nothing in your mind but the belief that there is God whom you can call on and the way for the Lord in coming in to your heart and in your life is now clean and free of any debris that hamper and block the Lord in coming in straight to your life.

I have thoughts that come to me that help me understand what I read. I thought this is the Holy Spirit, but you say we are only taught by the Lord Jesus Christ himself?

Indeed they are the debris that hamper and block the Lord in coming in to your life. You should throw them all because they are only your own understanding. Ask the truth from the Lord and be like little children in the eyes of God.

Where do these verses about the Holy Spirit come from if they are not true?

The bible had been tainted with errors both from the people and from the devil.

Can you be deceived by Satan if you have wrong ideas that need to change but you still hold on to them?

The more that Satan can deceive you in that case. The simple deception of Satan is this; Satan is the adversary of God hence he himself thought that he was equal to God. Today, many are saying that the word is God, is that true if I may ask you? Try to think for yourself that the words in the bible is God, are you of a sane mind should you hold on to that kind of belief which only emanates from the bible, is the bible God? God is alive and real existing both in heavens and in earth as the Almigty One and speaking with anyone whom He wishers to at any time. Now try think for yourself how Satan is simply deceiving the whole world of the so called Christians of today with this simple introduction of the bible or the scripture to mankind.

Do all of your church believe the same way you do

I don't know for I cannot read their mind and heart but the Lord has his way for me to see if they believe the Lord or not.

and do they all receive teaching from God

They did but not at all times, there were cases where there were only few and there were cases where there was less than few.

and does everyone hear him together at the same time?

Two or three instances that this happened to us but the succeeding sessions were not of this nature.

How often do you hear from him?

Like a doctor, on call basis.

Sorry for so many questions but I would like to understand exactly what you are saying.

[/quote:69afa]
Cease not from questioning, the more that you ask, the more that you can get something for yourself. Just remember this guide, I must, by all means, get you nigh with Jesus, focus you to Jesus, tell you to go direct to Jesus and tell you to put all your trust and confidence to Jesus. Other than these, forget all the things that I may have to say to you. I send you PM and requested you to reach out to me via my email, adlemsot@yahoo.com, have you read them?

 

[scorpia]

Do you believe that the story of Jesus dying for our sin is true? Do you believe we can trust that God will forgive our sin if we confess it and forsake it? Did God tell you these things or did you learn them from the Bible?

I learned and still learning from God and I throw away all my previous beliefs about the bible except for one and that is because God told me to do it for the purpose of weeding out all those things that may suffocate me to death. Jesus is God and He is not dying for our sins. It was the man born of Mary who died, not Jesus the Almighty God. Yes, God will forgive us if we confess and forsake our sins true to our heart. God did tell me these things hence we need no doctrines of salvation from anyone.
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What do you do when someone claims to hear God speaking and they say something that contradicts what God has told you?

Refer them right away to God and we always hear God's side. God has one simple and clear rule with respect to revelation and that is "God's revelation must direct and gets you nigh with God (not with denomination, church membership, solicitation of any kind, doctrines, written scripture or the bible) and that God does not speak with only one person like with that of Joseph Smith and Branham".

In other words, how do you test what someone tells you about God, and whether they are speaking God’s words?

As I said, we refer them to God right away.

Or do you not compare what God says to each of you?

What for when God is always there to respond to whatever we ask of Him?

The Bible says there were arguments in the early church, and disagreements between believers. Didn’t they all hear the words of Jesus Christ?

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The Lord said that most of them did not fully understand what He was teaching and telling them. They seldom asked things for clarification

 

[Oscar3]

Hey, Vic.
Is scorpia deceived and listening to a spirit not from God?

Scorpia reminds me of the cult I was in before. She carries the same familliar spirits that I had percieved as normal. It was not until after I was saved that i realized it was evil spirits.