OSAS The Truth

[smaller]

You've missed the point again. Nothing "justifies" sin. So your claim about OSAS failing is false. Neither view justifies sin.

I would submit that few if any OSASer's pin the tail on the donkey and tend to paste the entirety of themselves inclusive of their factual evil/sin with Grace.

Paul was as sure of his salvation as anyone can be. He wrote Rom 11:29, about God's gifts (imputed righteousness-5:15,17 and eternal life-6:23) and calling are irrevocable.

Paul did not extend that line one jot past where it belonged. Examples already abundantly provided.

Who says it was supposed to? Please substantiate your perspective here. Neither does non-OSAS. So what's your point?

Grace does not let the devil and his messengers off the hook for sin and evil, THEREFORE there is a firm line drawn at that point.

The happy happy "I am ALL and ENTIRELY under Grace" was never meant to compute nor will it. The position in OSAS camps is falsely and overly extended to that which we all carry.

In reality God is both friend and enemy of all of us.

OK, here is, I think, the source of your error. I have not met ANY OSAS believers who believed that OSAS "is on the entirety of their persons". That is simply and flatly untrue. We base our eternal security on the Person of Jesus Christ, who does all the saving and all the keeping. Please re-set your view of OSAS.

I have personally NEVER heard a credible explanation NOR a direct comparison to Paul's statements from anyone in the OSAS camps.

What do you mean "how to address evil"? We are to shun it, put to death the flesh, etc. Avoid it.

Yes, I would concur that avoiding the topic matter is the preferred route of the many. Even in your responses there have been no direct hits on the subject matter as delineated.

The bottom line is that Paul had evil present with him, stated he was the chief of sinners [present tense after salvation application] and had a messenger of Satan in his own flesh.

Paul therefore had TWO entirely separate vessels in the lump he called 'ME' in Romans 9, one of which was assuredly NOT under Grace by any stretch of the term, one of which was under complete and total condemnation and wrath fitted for eternal destruction.

I do understand that it's a hard place to follow.

 

[JLB]

Freegrace said -

I teach what the Bible says. God's gifts which are imputed righteousness and eternal life are irrevocable. That is irrefutable.

That's the problem with stating your opinion, rather than scripture, your opinion is easily refuted with scripture.

Please show me the scripture that says "God's gift is imputed righteousness".

The scripture says, those who practice righteousness are righteous.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7


Practicing righteousness is the work of obeying what God leads you to do.


And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, Romans 4:11


Righteousness is accounted to or imputed to those who believe, not to those who depart from believing.


When a person believes for a while then stops believing, they become unbelievers.


That is what someone who no longer believes is called, an unbeliever.


You would have the good people of this Forum believe that an unbeliever is saved.

Now if you can show me a scripture where unbelievers are saved, then you might have an irrefutable doctrine.

So far your doctrine is just that, "your doctrine, made up of "your opinion".

But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13


These in verse 13 became unbelievers.

OSAS is simply put: an unbiblical doctrine!


JLB

 

[Gregg]

I have personally NEVER heard a credible explanation NOR a direct comparison to Paul's statements from anyone in the OSAS camps.

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Among other places, Paul addresses the nature of our salvation in Eph 2:5, "even we being dead in sins, He made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are being saved)," (Eph 2:5 LITV).

The Gk. verb for 'saved' is σώζω, meaning 'to save'. The form of this verb that Paul used in Eph 2:5 is σεσῳσμένοι, and is a perfect passive participle in the nominative case. Paul could have used other tense, voice, and moods to describe being saved, but chose this form to indicate several things:

- perfect tense: the action of salvation was completed in the past but the result continues to the present time.
- passive voice: 'we' or 'us' did not perform the action, but salvation was accomplished by a 3rd party - 'He' [the Father] made us alive with Christ.
- the participle in this instance is a verbal substantive having to so with 'we' and 'us', and the phrase should be translated:

'You are those having been saved.' In other words, Paul and his audience were saved in the past and the result continues.

There is no indication of a terminus to the salvation as its very nature and character is that its result continues. This salvation will continue based upon the action and agency of God, and this according to His grace [χάριτί: dative, instrumental].​

Paul clarifies our salvation to a deeper degree in Eph 2:8 by describing the channel through which God's grace and salvation is administered to man, that it is "through faith"; which even itself is a gift of God. Salvation in its entirety begins, is sustained, and will be accomplished in full by God Himself; and that without the influence of another party. Once salvation begins in a man, that is once a man is born from above, it continues because of the Person of God and the nature of His gift.

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[Gary]

Matthew 15
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.
14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

 

[JLB]

Greg said -

Paul clarifies our salvation to a deeper degree in Eph 2:8 by describing the channel through which God's grace and salvation is administered to man, that it is "through faith"; which even itself is a gift of God. Salvation in its entirety begins, is sustained, and will be accomplished in full by God Himself; and that without the influence of another party. Once salvation begins in a man, that is once a man is born from above, it continues because of the Person of God and the nature of His gift.

Salvation is wrought by believing.

Those who endure to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13

Those who believe for a while, and then depart, have become unbelievers.

If someone stops believing that Jesus is the Messiah, the Lamb of God that takes away sins, then how will there sins that they commit be forgiven, seeing they no longer believe.

Who will forgive them of their sins if they no longer believe in Jesus Christ and His work on the cross?


JLB

 

[smaller]

smaller,

Among other places, Paul addresses the nature of our salvation in Eph 2:5, "even we being dead in sins, He made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are being saved)," (Eph 2:5 LITV).

The Gk. verb for 'saved' is σώζω, meaning 'to save'. The form of this verb that Paul used in Eph 2:5 is σεσῳσμένοι, and is a perfect passive participle in the nominative case. Paul could have used other tense, voice, and moods to describe being saved, but chose this form to indicate several things:

- perfect tense: the action of salvation was completed in the past but the result continues to the present time.
- passive voice: 'we' or 'us' did not perform the action, but salvation was accomplished by a 3rd party - 'He' [the Father] made us alive with Christ.
- the participle in this instance is a verbal substantive having to so with 'we' and 'us', and the phrase should be translated:

'You are those having been saved.' In other words, Paul and his audience were saved in the past and the result continues.

There is no indication of a terminus to the salvation as its very nature and character is that its result continues. This salvation will continue based upon the action and agency of God, and this according to His grace [χάριτί: dative, instrumental].​

Paul clarifies our salvation to a deeper degree in Eph 2:8 by describing the channel through which God's grace and salvation is administered to man, that it is "through faith"; which even itself is a gift of God. Salvation in its entirety begins, is sustained, and will be accomplished in full by God Himself; and that without the influence of another party. Once salvation begins in a man, that is once a man is born from above, it continues because of the Person of God and the nature of His gift.

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Yer preachin to the choir in the above, but none of that addresses the matters I've referenced from scripture in my prior posts.

 

[Karl]

Well, Karl, freegrace made the claim that we don't need to love in order to be saved, even though those are the most important commandments Jesus told us to obey.

So in order to obey them, we must love the Lord and our neighbor.

To disobey (as freegrace has stated was ok to do), then it would mean we do not love the Lord nor do we love our neighbor.

My argument is we must Love the Lord in order to inherit the Kingdom, otherwise why would one want to even go there?

In following your line of thinking, then to be saved is to love God?

In my Bible Jesus says if you love me obey my commandments, Lot broke all Ten of the Commands (before they were given), so according to your thinking his actions showed he didn't love God, ...bet yet he is declared righteous by Peter?

 

[Deborah13]

I would submit that few if any OSASer's pin the tail on the donkey and tend to paste the entirety of themselves inclusive of their factual evil/sin with Grace.
Paul did not extend that line one jot past where it belonged. Examples already abundantly provided.
Grace does not let the devil and his messengers off the hook for sin and evil, THEREFORE there is a firm line drawn at that point.
The happy happy "I am ALL and ENTIRELY under Grace" was never meant to compute nor will it. The position in OSAS camps is falsely and overly extended to that which we all carry.

In reality God is both friend and enemy of all of us.

I have personally NEVER heard a credible explanation NOR a direct comparison to Paul's statements from anyone in the OSAS camps.

Yes, I would concur that avoiding the topic matter is the preferred route of the many. Even in your responses there have been no direct hits on the subject matter as delineated.

The bottom line is that Paul had evil present with him, stated he was the chief of sinners [present tense after salvation application] and had a messenger of Satan in his own flesh.

Paul therefore had TWO entirely separate vessels in the lump he called 'ME' in Romans 9, one of which was assuredly NOT under Grace by any stretch of the term, one of which was under complete and total condemnation and wrath fitted for eternal destruction.

I do understand that it's a hard place to follow.

Well, I think Paul is referring to the parable of the potter in Jeremiah 18. It seems to fit seeing in Romans 9 he is arguing that God as the potter can .....
YLT
Rom 9:22 And if God, willing to shew the wrath and to make known His power, did endure, in much long suffering, vessels of wrath fitted for destruction,
Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on vessels of kindness, that He before prepared for glory, whom also He did call--us--
Rom 9:24 not only out of Jews, but also out of nations,

 

[Jesse]

In following your line of thinking, then to be saved is to love God?

In my Bible Jesus says if you love me obey my commandments, Lot broke all Ten of the Commands (before they were given), so according to your thinking his actions showed he didn't love God, ...bet yet he is declared righteous by Peter?

Yes, we love the Lord because He first loved us, what is so difficult to understand about this?

It's unbelievable this concept is lost on some.

Without love, there is nothing.....Love is what it's all about. If you don't love the Lord, the opposite is hate, if you hate, you remain in darkness and no, people who hate and remain in darkness will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

To be loved by the Lord and to love him back - is eternal life and it begins now.

Obedience should not be confused with works, somewhere along the lines "do nothing, no need to obey the Lord and I'm still saved" snuck into mainstream Christianity and now we have a bunch of people who believe they can do whatever it is they want to do - including adultery, fornication, drunkeness, hate and still see the Kingdom of heaven and that is a very false teaching, anti-biblical. It is from the depths of hell teaching, it is exactly the opposite of what the Bible actually teaches.

 

[FreeGrace]

Hey, you can disregard love all you want……

You're making more erroneous assumptions. I'm very aware of 1 Cor 13.

If love is non existence in you, good luck....

First, love is NOT non existent in me.

Second, there is no such thing as "luck" for the believer; good or bad.

I believe I asked you for Scripture to back up your claim that salvation is based on our love for God. Do you have any?

 

[JLB]

Yes, we love the Lord because He first loved us, what is so difficult to understand about this?

It's unbelievable this concept is lost on some.

Without love, there is nothing.....Love is what it's all about. If you don't love the Lord, the opposite is hate, if you hate, you remain in darkness and no, people who hate and remain in darkness will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

To be loved by the Lord and to love him back - is eternal life and it begins now.

Obedience should not be confused with works, somewhere along the lines "do nothing, no need to obey the Lord and I'm still saved" snuck into mainstream Christianity and now we have a bunch of people who believe they can do whatever it is they want to do - including adultery, fornication, drunkeness, hate and still see the Kingdom of heaven and that is a very false teaching, anti-biblical. It is from the depths of hell teaching, it is exactly the opposite of what the Bible actually teaches.

 

[FreeGrace]

I would submit that few if any OSASer's pin the tail on the donkey and tend to paste the entirety of themselves inclusive of their factual evil/sin with Grace.

I have no idea what your point is here. Could you please rephrase.

Paul did not extend that line one jot past where it belonged.

What is this supposed to mean, relative to Rom 11:29? Please rephrase.

Examples already abundantly provided.

Examples of what, exactly? And if there were, please cite post #s.

Grace does not let the devil and his messengers off the hook for sin and evil, THEREFORE there is a firm line drawn at that point.

No one is "off the hook". What is your point? I have no idea what you're talking about.

The happy happy "I am ALL and ENTIRELY under Grace" was never meant to compute nor will it.

I'm sorry that grace doesn't "compute" to you. But it is God's plan for mankind, whether that computes for you or not.

The position in OSAS camps is falsely and overly extended to that which we all carry.

Another mysterious sentence. What are you trying to communicate here? Please rephrase.

In reality God is both friend and enemy of all of us.

Nonsense. Utterly.

I have personally NEVER heard a credible explanation NOR a direct comparison to Paul's statements from anyone in the OSAS camps.

What would you like a credible explanation for, exactly? I have no idea what you mean by a direct comparison to Paul's statements regarding Rom 11:29. Please rephrase.

Yes, I would concur that avoiding the topic matter is the preferred route of the many. Even in your responses there have been no direct hits on the subject matter as delineated.

I've directly responded to your posts. Please clarify what you hasn't been a "direct hit".

The bottom line is that Paul had evil present with him, stated he was the chief of sinners [present tense after salvation application] and had a messenger of Satan in his own flesh.

Yes, he sure did. And your point???

Paul therefore had TWO entirely separate vessels in the lump he called 'ME' in Romans 9, one of which was assuredly NOT under Grace by any stretch of the term, one of which was under complete and total condemnation and wrath fitted for eternal destruction.

I suppose you are referring to our 2 opposing natures; Adam's sin nature, and our new regenerated nature. OK. So, what's your point here?

I do understand that it's a hard place to follow.

Much of your posts are hard to follow. I still have no idea what you're trying to get at.

And, bottom line on eternal security: Paul defined God's gifts as imputed righteousness in Rom 5:15,17, and eternal life in Rom 6:23, BEFORE he wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable in Rom 11:29.

Your response?

 

[FreeGrace]

That's the problem with stating your opinion, rather than scripture, your opinion is easily refuted with scripture.

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I have stated Scripture directly. Paul defined God's gifts as righteousness and eternal life, before he wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable. That's not my opinion. That is God's Word. And no one has offered any kind of alternate explanation of Rom 11:29 from the non OSAS camp.

Please show me the scripture that says "God's gift is imputed righteousness".

Rom 5:15,17. Righteousness is called a gift. And Paul wasn't speaking about our own righteousness, but Christ's imputed righteousness.

The scripture says, those who practice righteousness are righteous.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7

Practicing righteousness is the work of obeying what God leads you to do.

How about let's deal with Romans 11:29.

When a person believes for a while then stops believing, they become unbelievers.

No, they become apostate. Once a child of God, ALWAYS a child of God.

When God gives the gift of eternal life (Rom 6:23) He does NOT afterwards kill that life. If He did, why would He call it "eternal"? That makes no sense and no one from the non OSAS camp is able to explain that problem that their view creates.

That is what someone who no longer believes is called, an unbeliever.

Nope. Apostate. But they're still a child of God.

Do you have any verses that teach specifically that a born again child of God can become an UNborn UNchild of God? Of course you can't. But that's the silly conclusion that the non OSAS position leads to.

You would have the good people of this Forum believe that an unbeliever is saved.

No, all born again children of God are saved. All who have believed are saved.

Now if you can show me a scripture where unbelievers are saved, then you might have an irrefutable doctrine.

Here is what is irrefutable. Paul defined eternal life as a gift in Rom 6:23. And he wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable. Since that is true, those who have been given eternal life cannot lose it.

So far your doctrine is just that, "your doctrine, made up of "your opinion".

I suppose if one never reads my posts, they simply miss all the Scripture I've given.

[QUOET]But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13

These in verse 13 became unbelievers.[/QUOTE]
Sure, they believed for a while and then quit believing. But you are ignoring that Jesus used the aorist tense in v.12 about believing and being saved. The aorist tense removes any concept of continuous time. Paul also used the aorist tense in Acts 16:31 in his answer to the jailer. Believe (aorist tense-in a point in time) and you will be (future) saved.

It's very clear. From the moment of belief, one WILL BE SAVED in the future.

And, God's gifts are irrevocable. If you are unfamiliar with the word "irrevocable", just ask.

OSAS is simply put: an unbiblical doctrine!

You've refuted nothing yet. But you have demonstrated what little knowledge you have about what Paul wrote.

 

[JLB]

I have no idea what your point is here. Could you please rephrase.


What is this supposed to mean, relative to Rom 11:29? Please rephrase.


Examples of what, exactly? And if there were, please cite post #s.


No one is "off the hook". What is your point? I have no idea what you're talking about.


I'm sorry that grace doesn't "compute" to you. But it is God's plan for mankind, whether that computes for you or not.


Another mysterious sentence. What are you trying to communicate here? Please rephrase.


Nonsense. Utterly.


What would you like a credible explanation for, exactly? I have no idea what you mean by a direct comparison to Paul's statements regarding Rom 11:29. Please rephrase.


I've directly responded to your posts. Please clarify what you hasn't been a "direct hit".


Yes, he sure did. And your point???


I suppose you are referring to our 2 opposing natures; Adam's sin nature, and our new regenerated nature. OK. So, what's your point here?


Much of your posts are hard to follow. I still have no idea what you're trying to get at.

And, bottom line on eternal security: Paul defined God's gifts as imputed righteousness in Rom 5:15,17, and eternal life in Rom 6:23, BEFORE he wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable in Rom 11:29.

Your response?

When a person believes for a while then departs, that person has become an unbeliever.

45 But if that servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. Luke 12:45-46

and again -

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Revelation 21:8



JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

Who will forgive them of their sins if they no longer believe in Jesus Christ and His work on the cross?JLB

Interesting question. Apparently you don't believe that Jesus died for all sins then. Correct?

Do you think it's your act of believing that saves you? That would be quite wrong. It is God who saves the believer.

The nonOSAS view has a lot of holes in it.

Your camp needs to face Rom 11:29 honestly.

 

[FreeGrace]

When a person believes for a while then departs, that person has become an unbeliever.

You are free to call them whatever your heart desires. So what? God's gift of eternal life is irrevocable and you keep dodging that fact.

Can you provide any Scripture that plainly tells us that a born again child of God can become an UNborn UNchild? No, you can't. But that's the faulty conclusion that your view leads to.

 

[JLB]

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I have stated Scripture directly. Paul defined God's gifts as righteousness and eternal life, before he wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable. That's not my opinion. That is God's Word. And no one has offered any kind of alternate explanation of Rom 11:29 from the non OSAS camp.


Rom 5:15,17. Righteousness is called a gift. And Paul wasn't speaking about our own righteousness, but Christ's imputed righteousness.


How about let's deal with Romans 11:29.


No, they become apostate. Once a child of God, ALWAYS a child of God.

When God gives the gift of eternal life (Rom 6:23) He does NOT afterwards kill that life. If He did, why would He call it "eternal"? That makes no sense and no one from the non OSAS camp is able to explain that problem that their view creates.


Nope. Apostate. But they're still a child of God.

Do you have any verses that teach specifically that a born again child of God can become an UNborn UNchild of God? Of course you can't. But that's the silly conclusion that the non OSAS position leads to.


No, all born again children of God are saved. All who have believed are saved.


Here is what is irrefutable. Paul defined eternal life as a gift in Rom 6:23. And he wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable. Since that is true, those who have been given eternal life cannot lose it.


I suppose if one never reads my posts, they simply miss all the Scripture I've given.

[QUOET]But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13

These in verse 13 became unbelievers.

Sure, they believed for a while and then quit believing. But you are ignoring that Jesus used the aorist tense in v.12 about believing and being saved. The aorist tense removes any concept of continuous time. Paul also used the aorist tense in Acts 16:31 in his answer to the jailer. Believe (aorist tense-in a point in time) and you will be (future) saved.

It's very clear. From the moment of belief, one WILL BE SAVED in the future.

And, God's gifts are irrevocable. If you are unfamiliar with the word "irrevocable", just ask.


You've refuted nothing yet. But you have demonstrated what little knowledge you have about what Paul wrote.[/QUOTE]

A person who no longer believes is an unbelieving person.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."



Unbelievers no longer have a sacrifice for their sins, since they no longer believe in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross for their sins.


16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. 17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit. 19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:16-19

and again -

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:12-14


Who will hear your prayer to be forgiven of sin, if you no longer believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, The Lamb of God who takes away sin?

If a person departs from the living God, and his heart becomes hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, how will he be forgiven if he no longer believes.


If a person has become an unbeliever, how can he be forgiven his sins?


JLB

 

[JLB]

Interesting question. Apparently you don't believe that Jesus died for all sins then. Correct?

Do you think it's your act of believing that saves you? That would be quite wrong. It is God who saves the believer.

The nonOSAS view has a lot of holes in it.

Your camp needs to face Rom 11:29 honestly.

I believe Jesus Christ died to pay the price for my sins, the price has been paid. In order to access that forgiveness I must confess my sin, as He is faithful to forgive and cleanse me of my unrighteousness.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10


JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

A person who no longer believes is an unbelieving person.

Well, in typical style, you've again ignored Rom 11:29.

If a person has become an unbeliever, how can he be forgiven his sins?

Because Jesus died for ALL sins, sin is no longer an issue. Unless one denies the fact that Jesus died for ALL sins.

I asked for verses that teach that a born again child of God can become an UNborn UNchild of God, which is the logical conclusion of the non OSAS view. Where are they?

Here are the verses that refute the non OSAS view:

1 Jn 5:11 - And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. NASB

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. NASB

So, God gives eternal life, and it is a gift.

Romans 11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

This cannot be any more clear. God gives the free gift of eternal life to those who believe, and this gift is irrevocable.

The non OSAS view is that God revokes the gift of eternal life. The non OSAS view is in direct conflict with Scripture.

 

[FreeGrace]

I believe Jesus Christ died to pay the price for my sins, the price has been paid. In order to access that forgiveness I must confess my sin, as He is faithful to forgive and cleanse me of my unrighteousness.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10


JLB

This doesn't answer the problem your view creates. You've asked the question: "Who will forgive them of their sins if they no longer believe in Jesus Christ and His work on the cross?" Forgiveness for all sins occurs at the moment one believes, because Jesus died for all sins.

Your question reveals the error of your view. They are already forgiven when they first believed, their sin debt has already been paid when Jesus went to the cross.

Your view seems to be that forgiveness is transient. Only occurring as long as one believes.

Yet, your view has no Scripture to back up the view.

Salvation is many times described by the perfect tense; action that occurred in the past with ongoing results. Yet you continue to think that the issue is ongoing belief, yet without any Scripture to back up your view.

And, Rom 11:29 refutes nonOSAS completely. God's gift of eternal life is irrevocable.