Perdition's Population Clock

[Beetow]

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● Isa 14:12-17 . . For you said to yourself: I will ascend to heaven and set my
throne above God's stars. I will preside on the mountain of the gods far away in
the north. I will climb to the highest heavens and be like the Most High.

. . But instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead, down to its
lowest depths. Everyone there will stare at you and ask: Can this be the one who
shook the earth and the kingdoms of the world? Is this the one who destroyed the
land and made it into a wilderness? Is this the king who demolished the world's
greatest cities and had no mercy on his captives?

In context; that passage targets an ancient Babylonian king, but serves to illustrate
an important point: Hell is a level field. Look around you at the celebrities, the
socialites, the news anchors, the politicians, the stock brokers, the empire builders,
the financial giants, the television moguls, the movie-makers, the civic leaders, the
entrepreneurs, the fashion leaders, the intellectuals, the best-sellers, the Rock and
Roll Hall of Famers, the Olympic stars and professional athletes, the winners of
Oscar, Tony and Grammy awards. In Hell, those kinds of people are just one more
skull in an ever-growing population of losers.

● Luke 16:19-23 . .There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen
and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus,
covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the
dogs came and licked his sores.

. .The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's
side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hades, where he was in torment, he
looked up and saw Abraham in the distance, with Lazarus by his side.

Can you just imagine that rich man's chagrin to see that homeless bum, who at one
time dumpster-dived the garbage, now in comfort while he himself is in misery?
Isn't it interesting that the bum's name is given, but the rich man's isn't. Likely
because he's now a forgotten man who no longer matters.

● Ps 73:2-17 . . I came so close to the edge! My feet were slipping, and I was
almost gone. For I envied the proud when I saw them prosper despite their
wickedness. They seem to live such a painless life; their bodies are so healthy and
strong. They aren't troubled like other people or plagued with problems like
everyone else. They wear conceit like a jeweled necklace, and their clothing is
woven of cruelty.

. .These fat cats have everything their hearts could ever wish for! They scoff and
speak only evil; in their arrogance they seek to crush others. They boast against
the very heavens, and their words strut throughout the earth . . Look at these
arrogant people-- enjoying a life of ease while their riches multiply . .Then one day
I went into your sanctuary, O God; and I understood their destiny.

NOTE: People aren't eo ipso wicked because they're successful. It's success to the
exclusion of God that's wicked. Compare Luke 12:15-21 where a successful man is
depicted as totally involved with his enterprises while not lending a single thought
to the brevity of life and/or his prospects in the hereafter.
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[Beetow]

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● Jude 1:7 . . Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar
manner to these, gave themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh

The Greek word translated "fornication" basically means to be utterly unchaste.

A lack of chastity is exemplified by a broad spectrum of unholy carnality including,
but not limited to adultery, incest, living together, casual sex, swinger sex, wife
swapping, sex between consenting adults, sex between consenting minors, sex
between teachers and underage students, sex with a sex toy, sex with a mannequin
and/or sex with an inflatable doll, etc. To be "utterly" unchaste implies not just a
preference for those kinds of sexual behaviors, but an addiction to them.

The word for "strange" basically means other or different, i.e. out of the ordinary,
viz: men sleeping with women isn't strange. But men sleeping with men, and/or
women sleeping with women, is abnormal, i.e. deviant.

* Mr. Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty got himself in hot water for taking a stand
against certain kinds of sexual conduct. Though his comments were politically
unacceptable, Mr. Robertson is on good solid Christian ground because LGBT are
depicted in the Bible as shameful, indecent, and unnatural.

● Rom 1:26-27 . . God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women
exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also
abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one
another. Men committed indecent acts with other men.

● 2Pet 2:6 . . He turned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes-- condemned
them to destruction --making them an example to those who afterward would live3
impiously.

● Rev 21:8 . .The vile and the sexually immoral-- their place will be in the fiery lake
of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

The Greek word translated "vile" basically pertains to that which is repulsive and
disgusting. (Pride is definitely the wrong name for an LGBT event.)
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[Beetow]

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FAQ: Are animals considered unbelievers? And if so, will they go to Hell?

REPLY: Neither aqua life, winged life, nor terra life were created in the image and
likeness of God. Only man has that distinction. And whereas we are told man has a
conscience, we are not told the same about the Earth's lower forms of life so I think
it safe to assume the Earth's lower forms of life are amoral.

FAQ: According to Gen 9:5, animals that kill people have to be put down. Doesn't
that prove they can be charged with murder?

REPLY: Man can kill as many animals as he likes, but animals are not afforded the
same liberty because man is their superior.

● Gen 1:26 . . And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and
over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth
upon the earth.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 40 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 3,070,080 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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[Beetow]

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Many years ago-- when I was a young single guy in my early twenties, living alone
in a cheap rental --as I was listening to a radio preacher talk about the afterlife,
something in my mind took over; and I had the strangest sensation of falling off the
earth into an abyss and nobody cared, nor did anybody miss me, nor did my
disappearance cause any alarm nor make any difference.


The freeways remained busy with frustrated drivers and honking horns, people still
got up to go to work, shoppers crowded the supermarkets and department stores,
kids caught their buses to school, birds kept right on chirping, grass kept on
growing, ocean waves went on rolling onto the beach, trains kept running, airlines
kept flying, clouds moved across the sky; and all that.

My absence changed nothing nor disturbed anyone nor anything. The world kept
right on turning, clocks went on ticking; and nature and man went right on with
their business as usual without the slightest hiccup. At that moment I realized just
how disconnected and how obscure people must feel when they exhale their final
breath and cross over to the other side.

Back in March of 2015, Andrew Getty, an heir to J. Paul Getty's oil fortune, died at
the age of 47. In life, Andrew had many friends. You know how many accompanied
him on his journey across the great divide? Nary a one.

You gotta walk that lonesome valley,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
Nobody here can walk it for you,
You gotta walk it by yourself.
(Woody Guthrie)
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[Beetow]

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There's coming a day when every knee will bend in reverence to Christ.

● Phlp 2:10 . . At the name of Jesus every knee should bow-- of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth.

Now watch for the missing element in this next item:

● Col 1:20 . . Having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to
reconcile all things unto Himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or
things in heaven.

Every knee everywhere will bend, but not everyone will be reconciled, i.e. "things
under the earth" is missing from Col 1:20 and that's because God has no intention
of reconciling with folks down there, viz: it's game over for them. Their feet are set
in concrete and now there's no going back.
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[Beetow]

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Christ's followers are commanded to avoid discussing his religion with certain types
of individuals whom he depicted as beasts.

● Matt 7:6 . . Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If
you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to
pieces.

The fault-finders, the obtuse, the skeptics, the mockers, the critics, those who
make it their mission in life to discredit and/or invalidate the Bible, and those who
amuse themselves by fishing for a reaction from the Christians; fall into the beast
category.

Dogs especially are barred from the future holy city.

● Rev 22:14-15 . . Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the
right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the
dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the
idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Dogs apparently hung around crucifixion sites lapping up the blood of condemned
men.

● Ps 22:16 . . For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have
enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Dogs tend to form packs, and in that situation can be very hazardous to human life.
There are dogs like that on internet forums who would love nothing more than to
scatter Christ's sheep, and drag them down to Hell.
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[Beetow]

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FAQ: If humanity was created in the image and likeness of God per Gen 1:26-27;
then why did Jesus tell Nicodemus that another birth per John 3:3-8 is a must? I
should think that the image and likeness of God is about as good as it gets; so then
why the requirement for a do-over?

REPLY: In the beginning, man was immortal and capable of sinless perfection. Plus;
man's original human nature was a satisfactory impetus. Therefore God gave it all
His stamp of approval.

● Gen 1:31 . . God saw all that He had made, and it was very good.

However; due to a peculiar incident recorded in the 3rd chapter of Genesis, man
lost immortality, lost his potential for sinless perfection, and lost the satisfactory
attributes of his original human nature. On top of that, man also became a tin God.

● Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: The man has now become like one of us,
knowing good and evil.

In other words; man became his own guiding light instead of seeking God's
instructions to direct his steps. Consequently, man became a disaster.

● Gen 6:5-7 . . Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the
earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in
His heart.

Ever since then, these two lights-- the real God and the tin God --have been locking
horns and butting heads over matters relative to good and evil.

● Rom 8:7-8 . .The natural mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law,
nor can it do so. Those controlled by the fallen nature cannot please God.
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[Beetow]

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● Gen 6:5 . . God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The thoughts of the heart are somewhat different than the thoughts that go
through the mind; and are often blocked out, viz: repressed; defined as a mental
process by which distressing thoughts, memories, or impulses that may give rise to
anxiety are excluded from consciousness and left to operate in the unconscious,
a.k.a. the subconscious which, in Freud's opinion, is a repository for socially
unacceptable ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions.

● Matt 15:19 . . Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your heart
works that really defines you; and a man's heart is easily capable of hoodwinking
his own consciousness.

● Jer 17:9 . .The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really
knows how bad it is?

God is able to peer into the heart's contents. That means He will be confronting
people with things about themselves that they have kept under wraps all their
lives; and that's why I sometimes say only a fool would take their chances with
God. They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're walking
into.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 45 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 3,453,840 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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[Beetow]

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● Luke 12:15-20 . . A man's life does not consist in the abundance of his
possessions. And he told them this parable:

. .The ground of a certain rich man produced a good crop. He thought to himself:
What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops. Then he said: This is what I'll
do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my
grain and my goods. And I'll say to myself; You have plenty of good things laid up
for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.

. . But God said to him: You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from
you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?

That is one of the futilities of success in this world. Everybody knows it, but moguls
like J. Paul Getty and Andrew Carnegie never seem to take it to heart until they've
got one foot in the grave.

I once heard a story about a very wealthy man who died. His surviving relatives
were all called to the reading of the man's will while the media waited outside.
When the reading was over, the media asked the man's kin how much he left. They
replied: He left it all.

Yes, of course he left it all; even the clothing he wore to his own funeral. Some
of Gustave Doré's paintings, illustrating portions of Dante's Inferno, depict lost souls
100% stark naked-- with nary a stitch --as they should be because no doubt they
are.

The Beetles once complained in song: Money can't buy me love. Well; it couldn't
buy them time either-- John is gone, and George too.

● Ecc 2:14-16 . .The wise man has eyes in his head, while the fool walks in the
darkness; but I came to realize that the same fate overtakes them both.

. .Then I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will overtake me also. What then
do I gain by being wise? For the wise man, like the fool, will not be long
remembered; in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the wise man
too must die
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[Beetow]

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When God is ignored; people should expect Him to reciprocate.

● Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to you,
but you paid no attention. You ignored My advice and rejected the correction I
offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster
overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm, when you are engulfed
by trouble, and when anguish and distress overwhelm you.

. . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously search for
Me, they will not find Me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear God.
They rejected My advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. That is why
they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way. They must experience the full
terror of the path they have chosen. For they are simpletons who turn away from
Me to death. They are fools, and their own complacency will destroy them. But all
who listen to Me will live in peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Jacob's brother.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even
afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found
no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb 12:16-17)

The Greek word translated repentance basically means to change one's mind; viz:
to reconsider.

Esau was an okay guy, but he was secular to the bone. He "got religion" right quick
when he saw his way of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a
day late and a dollar short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to be thinking about Hell is not when
they get there, rather, before they get there because indifference in this matter is
lethal.
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[Beetow]

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It's thought by some that Luke 16:19-31 is a parable; which of course implies
the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable theory has
some fatal flaws.

For one: whenever Jesus told a parable, he eventually took his disciples aside and
explained its meaning. (Mark 4:34) I would've liked to been on hand when Jesus
expounded his defense for quoting Abraham saying things that the patriarch didn't
really say; which in my judicious estimation is especially despicable due to the fact
that Abraham is one of God's buddies. (Isa 41:8)

All I'm saying is: if we can't trust Jesus to tell the truth about his Father's friends,
then how are we supposed to trust him to tell the truth about one of us? This is a
serious question because Jesus is the one and only mediator between God and Man
(1Tim 2:5) Well; I would not be comfortable with someone unfaithful to me
speaking on my behalf.

One other point: nothing Jesus taught originated with him. He was, in fact, quite
micro managed. (John 8:26, John 8:28, John 12:49, John 14:24, John 3:34-35,
Heb 1:1-2) In other words: Jesus' teachings were God-given. Well; I cannot
imagine someone as famous for honesty as God directing His own son to tell us
things about people that aren't true; especially about His friends.

● John 17:3 . . You . . the only truthful God

● Heb 6:18 . . it is impossible for God to lie

If God's integrity is really as reliable as the Bible presents it; then I should think it
completely safe to assume that all of Jesus' parables, every one of them, from the
shortest to the longest, are 100% true stories taken from real life rather than yarns
spun from a fertile imagination.
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[Beetow]

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● Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature objects of wrath.

The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

● Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of Christ comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce
anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that verse basically indicates an outburst of
passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be weeping big wet crocodile tears
while it's slamming the dead at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15; no, they will be terminated with extreme prejudice; viz: their judgment
will be administered with choler. (cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that
inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. There's
neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and
blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane
feelings

● Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It speaks of
someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're actually red in the
face.

There are people out there warming pews all around the world who have been so
coddled by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the
magnitude of the lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to get them.
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[Beetow]

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According to Siddhartha Gautama, the inventor of Buddhism, there is no personal
soul that continues to exist beyond the demise of one's organic body; ergo:
Siddhartha taught that death permanently terminates one's original existence.

FAQ: So then in Buddhist rebirth; what is reborn if not the person?

REPLY: Buddhist rebirth is not a resurrection, rather, it's a reincarnation; viz: a
rearrangement of the karmic matter that was once a particular individual. The
complete teaching is a bit complex but in a nutshell, Buddhists expect to return as
either gods, asuras, hungry ghosts, hell beings, animals, and/or humans.

In addition: reincarnation doesn't stop with one event; but is potentially a never
ending cycle of birth, misery, and death called samsara.

In contrast; Christ taught that everyone's original dead body will be restored to life
and they will come back as themselves. He also taught that there is but one
resurrection allotted per person instead of an endless cycle of birth and death. (Dan
12:2, John 5:29, Rev 20:5-6)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 50 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 3,837,600 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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[Beetow]

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Heaven is sometimes depicted as a mountain with any number of roads around the
base going up towards the top. Well; conventional Christianity accepts only one of
those roads makes it; viz: the rest are dead ends, loops, terraces, circles, and cul
de-sacs, i.e. no outlets and nowhere to go except round and around or back down
the mountain.

Hell is depicted as a colossal pit, deep and wide, with many roads around the rim
going down towards the bottom. Well; conventional Christianity accepts that every
one of those roads eventually merge into one big super expressway to the bottom.

● Matt 7:13-14 . . Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction,
and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to
life, and only a few find it.

What number might the quantity "many" represent? Well, according to my sources,
as of mid 2020 there were approximately:

50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
16,500,000 . . . . .Mormons
8,200,000 . . . . . .Practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
8,531,000 . . . . . .Baha'i
545,584,000 . . . .Buddhists
468,411,000 . . . .Chinese Folk Religionists
8,606,000 . . . . . .Confucianists
269,498,000 . . . .Ethnic Religionists
1,062,595,000 . . .Hindus
6,135,000 . . . . . .Jains
14,779,000 . . . . .Jews
1,893,345,000 . . Muslims
64,549,000 . . . . .New Religionists
2,788,000 . . . . . .Shintoists
28,000,000 . . . . .Sikhs
14,851,000 . . . . .Spiritists
9,078,000 . . . . . .Taoists
1,757,433,000 . . .Non Religious/Atheists/Agnostics

The grand total of just those categories is 5,710,522,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if conventional Christianity is the reality;
then at least 72.4% of the earth's 2020 population of 7,887,001,292 people were
on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of them were folks we cared about: our BFF,
our loved ones, and our favorite celebrities.

NOTE: Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians in accordance with
Webster's definition; but not in the conventional sense.
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[Bruce.Leiter]

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● Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature objects of wrath.

The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

● Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of Christ comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce
anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that verse basically indicates an outburst of
passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be weeping big wet crocodile tears
while it's slamming the dead at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15; no, they will be terminated with extreme prejudice; viz: their judgment
will be administered with choler. (cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that
inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. There's
neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and
blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane
feelings

● Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It speaks of
someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're actually red in the
face.

There are people out there warming pews all around the world who have been so
coddled by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the
magnitude of the lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to get them.
_

Yes, it's not motivated at all by any selfishness, as it is often humans' lives; but it is solely motivated by unselfish justice that is 100% deserved by human rebels.

 

[Beetow]

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Back in 1968 I was a young 24 year-old welder just starting out in the metals
trades. One of the first real welding jobs I landed was with a manufacturer located
in one of the buildings that were at one time used for knocking together Liberty
ships in the old WW2 Kaiser shipyard on a waterfront of the Columbia River in the
State of Washington.

One day the manufacturer's production designer was strolling through the shop. He
stopped where I was and casually asked me, right out of the blue: Are you ready
for Christ's return?

Well, the only information I had up to that point as regards Christ was what I
learned from nuns in catechism. They had never mentioned Christ's return; so that
man's question made no sense to me whatsoever. So my initial reaction was alarm.
And my secondary reaction was anger. So I asked the layout man, in a rather
indignant tone: Why would Christ want to come back here?

You see; I was in no hurry to meet Christ because I instinctively knew the interview
would not be pleasant. Even at only 24 years-old I already had a lot to answer for--
theft, arson, slander, profanity, animal cruelty, joy riding in stolen cars --and I
especially did not want to be confronted with my behavior in private when I thought
nobody was looking.

● Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is
uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

BTW: That incident wrapped with a happy ending. The man informed me, in so
many words, that Jesus was thinking of me when he went to the cross. Up till then,
I had always thought of him as a victim of unfortunate circumstances.
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[Beetow]

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The conventional Christian doctrine of Hell isn't developed in the old testament
except possibly for Isa 66:23-24 wherein is written:

"The Lord says: From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another,
all mankind will come and bow down before Me. And they will go out and look upon
the dead bodies of those who rebelled against Me; their worm will not die, nor will
their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Now although the conventional doctrine of Hell isn't developed in the old
testament's writings, I think it would be a mistake to assume folks back then
weren't fully aware of it. That mistake would be akin to a logical fallacy called an
argument from silence; which basically posits that if something isn't in writing, then
there was nothing to report.

The old testament's writers didn't record everything they knew. According to 2Pet
1:20-21 they only wrote what they were inspired to write rather than what they
would've liked to write.
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[Bruce.Leiter]

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The conventional Christian doctrine of Hell isn't developed in the old testament
except possibly for Isa 66:23-24 wherein is written:

"The Lord says: From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another,
all mankind will come and bow down before Me. And they will go out and look upon
the dead bodies of those who rebelled against Me; their worm will not die, nor will
their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Now although the conventional doctrine of Hell isn't developed in the old
testament's writings, I think it would be a mistake to assume folks back then
weren't fully aware of it. That mistake would be akin to a logical fallacy called an
argument from silence; which basically posits that if something isn't in writing, then
there was nothing to report.

The old testament's writers didn't record everything they knew. According to 2Pet
1:20-21 they only wrote what they were inspired to write rather than what they
would've liked to write.
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The silence in the Old and the development in the New Testament has been described as progressive revelation, a term that has nothiing to do with American politics. It means that God has revealed more and more of the truth as the Old turned into the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, his ministry, and the explanations in the rest of the NT.

 

[Beetow]

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Famed rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen passed away in October of 2020. He was a
Roman Catholic. I was one myself for 24 years, so I can say from personal
experience, that it's not easy to get into Heaven via that version of Christianity.

Well; if perchance Eddie failed to make the cut (not saying he didn't; only saying if
perchance) then he will never again be allowed to even so much as see a guitar
again let alone pick one up with his hands.

Can you imagine a talented, pioneering musician like Eddie never again allowed to
do the one thing in life that he loved the most? I mean never again like as in
permanently.

Hell is bad enough for ordinary folk; it must be doubly miserable for creative
people: the poets, the painters, the sculptors, the architects, the fashion designers,
the authors, the choreographers, the gourmet cooks, the engineers, the scientific
geniuses, the explorers, et al.

* According to Luke 16:19-31, people in the netherworld worry about their
surviving relatives. Well; Eddie's ex wife Valerie Bertinelli was raised a Roman
Catholic too. I've no doubt that if perchance Eddie is down there, then he's wishing
there were some way to contact Vallerie and let her know where he is lest she end
up joining him there.
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[Bruce.Leiter]

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Famed rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen passed away in October of 2020. He was a
Roman Catholic. I was one myself for 24 years, so I can say from personal
experience, that it's not easy to get into Heaven via that version of Christianity.

Well; if perchance Eddie failed to make the cut (not saying he didn't; only saying if
perchance) then he will never again be allowed to even so much as see a guitar
again let alone pick one up with his hands.

Can you imagine a talented, pioneering musician like Eddie never again allowed to
do the one thing in life that he loved the most? I mean never again like as in
permanently.

Hell is bad enough for ordinary folk; it must be doubly miserable for creative
people: the poets, the painters, the sculptors, the architects, the fashion designers,
the authors, the choreographers, the gourmet cooks, the engineers, the scientific
geniuses, the explorers, et al.

* According to Luke 16:19-31, people in the netherworld worry about their
surviving relatives. Well; Eddie's ex wife Valerie Bertinelli was raised a Roman
Catholic too. I've no doubt that if perchance Eddie is down there, then he's wishing
there were some way to contact Vallerie and let her know where he is lest she end
up joining him there.
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We must be very careful drawing conclusions from parables' details the way you did from Luke 16:19-31. Most of them have one main idea. I think that it is in Abraham's answers in verses 29-31:

Luk 16:29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’
Luk 16:30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
Luk 16:31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

People need to believe God's Word, because even if they read there that Jesus rose from the dead, their disbelief will deny it. That's a very sad ending like that of the rich man.