Perdition's Population Clock

[Beetow]

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FAQ: Why was Jesus' crucifixion a must? Surely God is powerful enough that He
could pardon everyone without putting His son through all that grief.

REPLY: That would be a gross miscarriage of justice. In other words; people have to
pay for the things they've done. Well if they pay their own way, they will not
survive. But if they allow God to pay their way by having His son stand in for them,
then they will live. In point of fact, he already stood in for them

● 2 Cor 5:19-21 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting
their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of
reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were
entreating through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. He
made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the
righteousness of God in him.

So now all that folks have to do is RSVP God and let Him know they are interested
in coming to terms with Him.

FAQ: How?

REPLY: Find some privacy. Cover your face with your hands for a sense of
connection, and in your own words-- aloud or under your breath --tell God you've
been a sinner and probably always will be a sinner. Then tell Him you'd like to take
advantage of His son's death to protect yourself from retribution.
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[Hidden In Him]

Jesus expressed his disgust with folks in the Laodicean church whom he described
as lukewarm, i.e. neither hot nor cold (Rev 3:14-16) I take it that he would prefer
they make a decision about him one way or the other rather than be indifferent.

Yes. This was Harold Pittman's teaching, and I have subscribed to it for many years.

Ever had a chance to read Harold Pittman?

 

[Beetow]

Ever had a chance to read Harold Pittman?

Never heard of him in all my 80+ years till just now.
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[Beetow]

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COMMON OBJECTION: I do not see the justice in infinite punishment for finite
mistakes.

REPLY: Well; one of the problems associated with that objection is the human
mind's limitations. Its sense of justice is the product of a 3-pound lump of flabby
organic tissue; and not even all three of those pounds are utilized for cognitive
processes; plus: 60% of its mass is fat. In that respect, the human mind has no
more sense of justice in comparison to God's sense of justice than the wisdom of
Solomon compared to the natural instincts of a bunny rabbit.

● 1Cor 3:20 . .The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are empty.

Well; that's certainly not a very flattering evaluation. It's as much as saying that, in
God's opinion, the smartest among humanity basically consists of air heads; and if
that's His evaluation of the best and brightest, then where might God be ranking
the average John Que and Jane Doe?

The origin of a law is what gives it a measure of dignity. Take for instance a group
of boys who build a tree house for a boys' club. They elect officers from among
themselves, and draw up a charter of rules that members of the club have to
observe in order to remain in good standing as honorable club members. Would
their charter stand up in an adult court of law? No, of course not. Their charter
would merit very little respect in the adult world because the origin of their rules
was just a posse of kids.

The principle of origin can be extended out into the world of municipal law, state
law, and federal law. At each level, the law's dignity increases, and breaking it at
each succeeding level becomes that much more serious.

Heaven's law is the ultimate charter; and it's requirements demand far more
respect than a tree house, or a municipality, or a state, or a federal government
because the origin of Heaven's law is the superior of all beings who merits far more
respect than human brain cells. In short: perdition tells us, emphatically, that
mankind is required to worship God not merely because He's a religious figure, but
because He is immeasurably the better and mankind is immeasurably the lesser,
viz: perdition reminds us of our place.

In reality then, a confinement like Hell preserves God's dignity. You see, it's one
thing to be hauled before a judge for spitting on your next-door neighbor's car; but
it's quite another to be hauled before a judge for spitting on the judge's car.

Seen from that angle; Hell isn't retribution enough for people made in the image
and likeness of God because there just isn't any other way for them to personally
make amends for their contempt for His status since the degree of God's
distinctions are off the scale. The only substitute God will accept in lieu of eternal
retribution is His son's life blood (1Pet 1:18-19) otherwise God has no alternative
but the unthinkable.
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[Beetow]

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COMMON ATTITUDE: God understands me. Although He probably won't let others
off; I'm sure He will make an exception for me because I'm not like other people;
I'm different.

REPLY: Unfortunately, the Bible's God can't do that. If He were to make
exceptions, God would be neither equitable, nor honest-- and worse, it would go
against His grain, compromise His integrity, sin against His conscience; and cause
Him to lose the world's respect. No, God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone is
treated equally in God's courtroom. In a system of divine absolutes; there is neither
a curve nor an exception: nobody gets any favors, and nobody is special.

● Deut 10:17 . . Yahweh shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

● Acts 10:34 . .Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God is
impartial.

● Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is coming a day of judgment when God, the just judge
of all the world, will judge all people according to what they have done. He will give
eternal life to those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory and
honor and immortality that God offers. But he will pour out his anger and wrath on
those who live for themselves, who refuse to obey the truth; and practice evil
deeds.

. .There will be anguish and calamity for everyone who practices evil-- for the Jew
first and also for the Gentile. But there will be glory and honor and peace from God
for all practice good --for the Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not
show favoritism.

NOTE: The reason it says "for the Jew first" is because of their privileged position.

● Amos 3:1-2 . . Hearken to this word which the Lord spoke about you, O children
of Israel, about the entire family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying:
Only you did I love above all the families of the earth; therefore, I will visit upon
you all your iniquities.
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[Beetow]

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Humanity is divided in two categories: the Living, and the Dead (Acts 10:42,
2Tim 4:1, 1Pet 4:5) and their respective judgments take place at two times and
locations.

Below is a description of the Dead's judgment; and I should point out that what we
are about to read is not a prediction. No, John actually saw this event with his own
eyes; like viewing a live video feed from the future.

● Rev 20:11-15 . . And I saw a great white throne, and I saw the one who was
sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from His presence, but they found no place to
hide. I saw the Dead, both great and small, standing before God's throne. And the
books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the Dead were judged
according to the things written in the books, according to what they had done.

The Dead are mentioned twice in that scene; whereas the Living aren't mentioned
at all. The reason is that the Living won't stand trial among the Dead at the great
white throne is because their judgment took place with Christ.

● Rom 6:3 . . Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into His death?

● Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him

● Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

● Col 3:1-4 . . For you died when Christ died

Consequently the Living will never again be in danger of the great white throne.

● John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and trust in God who
sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already passed from death into life.
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[Beetow]

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FAQ: Since people are to exist in Hell forever, does that mean they have eternal
life?

REPLY: People in Hell exist there with the kind of life they were born with. If they
had eternal life; they wouldn't be in Hell.

● John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and believe in God who
sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they
have already transferred from death into life.

FAQ: Well then if eternal life has little or nothing to do with the duration of one's
existence; then what is it?

REPLY: If you can understand what human nature is, then you're on your way to
understanding eternal life because it has to do with divine nature. (2Pet 1:2-4)

In a nutshell: people with eternal life have the potential to think, feel, and conduct
themselves like God, whereas people with human life will never be like anyone but
themselves; they're stuck.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 30 days have transpired since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 2,302,560 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Dec 15, 2024.
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[Beetow]

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As if Hell's environment isn't bad enough, people are in it as their selves; viz: they
are never going to be free from their own personalities-- their phobias, their hang
ups, their inner conflicts, their memories, their anger, their hostility, their rivalries,
their prejudice, their bias, their angst, their misogyny, their misandry, their
resentments, their regrets, their gender confusion, their disappointments, their
bitterness, their animosity, their passions, and their appetites.

Hell is even more of a hell than you might think because, having missed out on the
regeneration about which Christ spoke at John 3:3-8, and the supernatural
circumcision spoken of by Col 2:11; people take who they are right along with them
down there. Thus; suicide is not a good way to relieve things like depression,
despondence, failure, and/or despair. People take that low state of mind right along
with them to the other side; and their sorrow will be even more intensified in fire
when they realize that as bad as things were up here on the surface, their situation
up here wasn't nearly as bad as their situation down below.

Suicide can help you escape things like cancer, credit card debt, an abusive spouse,
physical handicaps, pimples, a ruined reputation, a blighted life, a bully, despots
and tyrants, a life of neither promise nor future, prison, grinding poverty, and the
Mafioso; but suicide won't help you to escape you.
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[miamited]

Hi Beetow

Certain Christian religions (e.g. Jehovah's Witness and Christadelphians; et al)
insist that when a human being dies, it goes completely out of conscious existence.

I can't speak for 'Christadelphians as I have no idea what or who they are, but I assure you that JW's don't believe that humans at death 'goes completely out of conscious existence'.

 

[Beetow]

I assure you that JW's don't believe that humans at death 'goes completely out of conscious existence'.

Ecc 9:5 . . For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they
are conscious of nothing at all (New World Translation ©1984)

Ecc 9:10 . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no
work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are
going. (New World Translation ©1984)

Ezek 18:4 . . The soul that is sinning-- it itself will die. (New World Translation ©1984)

Ps 146:3-4 . . Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to
whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that
day his thoughts do perish. (New World Translation ©1984)

* Resurrection for Jehovah's Witnesses is quite a bit different than the conventional
process.

In the JW religion, Adam's descendants cease to be a soul when their body dies;
thus making it necessary for God to gather up their dust and reconstruct them body
and soul all over again just as He did Adam in the very beginning.

Gen 2:7 . . . And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the
ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a
living soul. (New World Translation ©1984)

Gen 3:19 . . In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the
ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.
(New World Translation ©1984)
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[miamited]

Ecc 9:5 . . For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they
are conscious of nothing at all (New World Translation ©1984)

I suppose it depends on how one reads that. The dead are conscious of nothing. I don't equate that as going out of conscious 'existence'.

for there is no
work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are
going.

Which is in line with other translations of the Scriptures:

for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. KJV

Ezek 18:4 . . The soul that is sinning-- it itself will die.

Again, that seems to be in line with other translations:

the soul that sinneth, it shall die. KJV

His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that
day his thoughts do perish.

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. KJV

Gen 2:7 . . . And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the
ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a
living soul. (New World Translation ©1984)

Gen 3:19 . . In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the
ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.
(New World Translation ©1984)
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That is also pretty much what the KJ translation says also. So, I guess ole King Jim got it wrong, also.