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Please Quote Me And Point Out Errors Using Scripture
Hi Coop:
Thank you for writing.
Since you quoted my entire post to begin this speech, then I have no clue as to which point you are trying to address. Next time please “quote >>†the particular part of my testimony you find errant and in need of correction. Otherwise your words have context to something else.
We disagree. Revelation 20 is an overview of the entire 1000 Years ‘Day of the Lord’ from the perspective of the devil. The “Day of the Lord†(Lord’s Day) began back in Revelation 1:10 where John is clearly standing inside the “Lord’s Day†having heard the sound of the trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16) behind him. You are starting the thousand years at the very end and just prior to the Judgment, because you have yet to realize this is an ‘overview chapter.’ The events of the 1000 Years “Lord’s Day†were just described by John from Revelation 1 to this final chapter which includes the Judgment.
No sir. All of these events of Revelation 4-20 are ‘end of the age’ events told again and again. You can clearly see the ‘great tribulation’ in Revelation 7:14 (= Matthew 24:21 !!! wake up) AND that this time begins AFTER the antichrist has set up his abomination of desolation in Matthew 24:15. John says,
These kingdom disciples are already coming out of the Great Tribulation which BEGAN in Matthew 24:21, because the “Beast†(Revelation 13) set up his “abomination of desolation†and those things are already PAST. Daniel told you that only a certain number of days exist between that (Matthew 24:15) AND THE END (1,290 days = Daniel 12:11). That tells you that the time from Revelation 7:14 to the very END OF THE AGE is less than 3.5 years. Here you want to add another 1000 Years on top of that! No sir. Your “1000 Years†interpretation at the END of Revelation is NOT accurate. You have been thrown from your horse to be found lying in the ditch with an interpretation that has no basis in Scripture at all. John gave you an ‘overview’ of the entire 1000 Years ‘Day of the Lord’ from Satan’s perspective in Revelation 20, but you still must bind him (Revelation 20:2) all the way back in Revelation 1 where John STARTS the “Lord’s Day†(Day of the Lord). Otherwise you MUST transfer all of the ‘end of the age’ events of Revelation 7-20 to AFTER Satan is released in Revelation 20:7, where you want to start ANOTHER 1000 years period.
Simple common Biblical sense tells you that Satan is released in Revelation 20:7 and that he is in the lake of fire just three verses later. Do you see any revelations about all of these ‘day of the Lord’ events taking place in those two verses (Revelation 20:8-9)? Please . . . That is a reference to the same “battle of Armageddon†that has been retold in Revelation 14, Revelation 16, Revelation 19 and now for the last time here in Revelation 20. Somehow you are missing the point that John has been describing the 1000 Years “Lords Day†(Day of the Lord) since all the way back in Revelation 1.
LOL. Please do not try to pass anything off here as too simple. You are the one starting another 1000 Years in Revelation 20, when John just described that in Revelation 1-20.
We agree, but he is bound in Revelation 1 by the ‘voice of the archangel’ (1 Thessalonians 4:16) ‘behind’ John (Revelation 1:10).
Really? So, you think John is just rambling about something else all the way back to Revelation 20, without describing all of these “Day of the Lord†events from Revelation 1-20. Heh . . . Now that is funny. Christ says the ‘Great Tribulation’ STARTS in Matthew 24:21, but John sees those coming out of that “Great Tribulation†in Revelation 7:14-15. But, you want to start another 1000 Years 13 chapter later in Revelation 20. How are you going to cram 1000 more years into less than the 1,290 days (Daniel 12:11) that Daniel places BETWEEN the ‘abomination of desolation’ being set up (Matthew 24:15) AND the ‘end of the age’ and Christ’s coming (Matthew 24:30-31)??? After all, the ‘Great Tribulation’ (Matthew 24:21) starts AFTER that abomination (Daniel 11:31, Daniel 12:11-13) is setup, which gives you even less than the 3.5 years between Matthew 24:15 AND Matthew 24:30-31.
What? Do you even know what a Preterist believes? He says that all of this took place in 70 AD. My interpretation places the Matthew 24 events some 1000 years IN THE FUTURE. Your interpretation has no clue about when the events of Matthew 24 take place, because you are trying to place the ‘end of the age’ and our mystery Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17) around the same time, which is impossible to prove using Scripture. Why? Thank you for asking: Because the ‘times and epochs’ (1 Thessalonians 5:1-2) period that PAUL connected DIRECTLY to the “Day of the Lord†COMING (2 Thessalonians 2:2) AND this period that Christ connects the same “times and epochs†and the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7) falls BETWEEN our Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17) AND the ‘end of the age’ events of Matthew 24. That is WHY Peter tells you NOT to allow this simple fact to escape your notice in direct context to his ‘Day of the Lord’ teaching.
Since you have allowed this simple fact to escape your notice, then your interpretation does not align itself with every word from God. My interpretation places exactly 1000 Years from the START (1 Thessalonians 4:17) of the "Day of the Lord" (2 Thessalonians 2:2) AND the END of the same 1000 years Period (Matthew 24:4-31). We are taken when the "Day of the Lord" STARTS and Christ comes at the "end of the age," when all of the restoration is complete and the antichrist is making all of that DESOLATE. We agree that all of this seems far too simple . . .
If you could “quote me >>†and show the errors using Scripture, then you would be doing that instead of writing these little love letters from your soapbox. This side of the Debate quotes most everything you say and offers his opposing views using Scripture, even though the substance of your claims make no Biblical sense at all. I would be forced to ignore you posts and offer no reply IF your posts contained ‘the truth’ on this topic.
Heh . No sir. This side of the debate does not require volumes to correct the OBVIOUS errors in your interpretation. Just ‘quote me >>’ and point out the errors using Scripture, just the way I am doing for you.
Please . . . My interpretations are given after decades of study and resolving all the seeming contradictions. Do not expect this side to be impressed by your opinions, when the clear contradictions in your testimony are being pointed out for your benefit. All I ask is for you to do the same for me and line by line if you have the God-given ability.
Thank you for writing,
In Christ Jesus,
Terral
Hi Coop:
Thank you for writing.
Since you quoted my entire post to begin this speech, then I have no clue as to which point you are trying to address. Next time please “quote >>†the particular part of my testimony you find errant and in need of correction. Otherwise your words have context to something else.
We disagree. Revelation 20 is an overview of the entire 1000 Years ‘Day of the Lord’ from the perspective of the devil. The “Day of the Lord†(Lord’s Day) began back in Revelation 1:10 where John is clearly standing inside the “Lord’s Day†having heard the sound of the trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16) behind him. You are starting the thousand years at the very end and just prior to the Judgment, because you have yet to realize this is an ‘overview chapter.’ The events of the 1000 Years “Lord’s Day†were just described by John from Revelation 1 to this final chapter which includes the Judgment.
No sir. All of these events of Revelation 4-20 are ‘end of the age’ events told again and again. You can clearly see the ‘great tribulation’ in Revelation 7:14 (= Matthew 24:21 !!! wake up) AND that this time begins AFTER the antichrist has set up his abomination of desolation in Matthew 24:15. John says,
These kingdom disciples are already coming out of the Great Tribulation which BEGAN in Matthew 24:21, because the “Beast†(Revelation 13) set up his “abomination of desolation†and those things are already PAST. Daniel told you that only a certain number of days exist between that (Matthew 24:15) AND THE END (1,290 days = Daniel 12:11). That tells you that the time from Revelation 7:14 to the very END OF THE AGE is less than 3.5 years. Here you want to add another 1000 Years on top of that! No sir. Your “1000 Years†interpretation at the END of Revelation is NOT accurate. You have been thrown from your horse to be found lying in the ditch with an interpretation that has no basis in Scripture at all. John gave you an ‘overview’ of the entire 1000 Years ‘Day of the Lord’ from Satan’s perspective in Revelation 20, but you still must bind him (Revelation 20:2) all the way back in Revelation 1 where John STARTS the “Lord’s Day†(Day of the Lord). Otherwise you MUST transfer all of the ‘end of the age’ events of Revelation 7-20 to AFTER Satan is released in Revelation 20:7, where you want to start ANOTHER 1000 years period.
Simple common Biblical sense tells you that Satan is released in Revelation 20:7 and that he is in the lake of fire just three verses later. Do you see any revelations about all of these ‘day of the Lord’ events taking place in those two verses (Revelation 20:8-9)? Please . . . That is a reference to the same “battle of Armageddon†that has been retold in Revelation 14, Revelation 16, Revelation 19 and now for the last time here in Revelation 20. Somehow you are missing the point that John has been describing the 1000 Years “Lords Day†(Day of the Lord) since all the way back in Revelation 1.
LOL. Please do not try to pass anything off here as too simple. You are the one starting another 1000 Years in Revelation 20, when John just described that in Revelation 1-20.
We agree, but he is bound in Revelation 1 by the ‘voice of the archangel’ (1 Thessalonians 4:16) ‘behind’ John (Revelation 1:10).
Really? So, you think John is just rambling about something else all the way back to Revelation 20, without describing all of these “Day of the Lord†events from Revelation 1-20. Heh . . . Now that is funny. Christ says the ‘Great Tribulation’ STARTS in Matthew 24:21, but John sees those coming out of that “Great Tribulation†in Revelation 7:14-15. But, you want to start another 1000 Years 13 chapter later in Revelation 20. How are you going to cram 1000 more years into less than the 1,290 days (Daniel 12:11) that Daniel places BETWEEN the ‘abomination of desolation’ being set up (Matthew 24:15) AND the ‘end of the age’ and Christ’s coming (Matthew 24:30-31)??? After all, the ‘Great Tribulation’ (Matthew 24:21) starts AFTER that abomination (Daniel 11:31, Daniel 12:11-13) is setup, which gives you even less than the 3.5 years between Matthew 24:15 AND Matthew 24:30-31.
What? Do you even know what a Preterist believes? He says that all of this took place in 70 AD. My interpretation places the Matthew 24 events some 1000 years IN THE FUTURE. Your interpretation has no clue about when the events of Matthew 24 take place, because you are trying to place the ‘end of the age’ and our mystery Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17) around the same time, which is impossible to prove using Scripture. Why? Thank you for asking: Because the ‘times and epochs’ (1 Thessalonians 5:1-2) period that PAUL connected DIRECTLY to the “Day of the Lord†COMING (2 Thessalonians 2:2) AND this period that Christ connects the same “times and epochs†and the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7) falls BETWEEN our Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17) AND the ‘end of the age’ events of Matthew 24. That is WHY Peter tells you NOT to allow this simple fact to escape your notice in direct context to his ‘Day of the Lord’ teaching.
Since you have allowed this simple fact to escape your notice, then your interpretation does not align itself with every word from God. My interpretation places exactly 1000 Years from the START (1 Thessalonians 4:17) of the "Day of the Lord" (2 Thessalonians 2:2) AND the END of the same 1000 years Period (Matthew 24:4-31). We are taken when the "Day of the Lord" STARTS and Christ comes at the "end of the age," when all of the restoration is complete and the antichrist is making all of that DESOLATE. We agree that all of this seems far too simple . . .
If you could “quote me >>†and show the errors using Scripture, then you would be doing that instead of writing these little love letters from your soapbox. This side of the Debate quotes most everything you say and offers his opposing views using Scripture, even though the substance of your claims make no Biblical sense at all. I would be forced to ignore you posts and offer no reply IF your posts contained ‘the truth’ on this topic.
Heh . No sir. This side of the debate does not require volumes to correct the OBVIOUS errors in your interpretation. Just ‘quote me >>’ and point out the errors using Scripture, just the way I am doing for you.
Please . . . My interpretations are given after decades of study and resolving all the seeming contradictions. Do not expect this side to be impressed by your opinions, when the clear contradictions in your testimony are being pointed out for your benefit. All I ask is for you to do the same for me and line by line if you have the God-given ability.
Thank you for writing,
In Christ Jesus,
Terral