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Pre-Trib Rapture

I believe there is a rapture..

The End!




Time is not of the essence - I hope for a pre-trib and lean towards that view, I pray it's not at the end of the trib. But regardless when it happens I trust that as a believer I will be protected.
 
ezra said:
being a jew does not make you saved read Philippians 3
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That's very true, I know some Jewish friends that do not acknowledge Jesus as Lord but only as a prophet. Most Jews in Israel do not acknowledge Jesus.. We can read The Temple Institute website to verify that..
 
ezra said:
being a jew does not make you saved read Philippians 3
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so then why does the church teach that the church be removed to save a bunch of isrealites that are going to be the light unto the gentiles?

if being a jew doesnt mean im saved(iam of isreal and in christ) then what is the point of the believing that isreal accepts the messiah? when they do then too loose their indentity as that nation of isreal.

thus my point with futurism these days. they seem to get alot wrong.i never said i wasnt saved, only that of isreal there jews in my family that are messianic. myself, dad and my brother and great uncle.

now then did these loose their relation to jacob in christ?
 
LJKP said:
I believe there is a rapture..

The End!




Time is not of the essence - I hope for a pre-trib and lean towards that view, I pray it's not at the end of the trib. But regardless when it happens I trust that as a believer I will be protected.
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Same here LJKP...:thumbsup
 
jasoncran said:
so then why does the church teach that the church be removed to save a bunch of isrealites that are going to be the light unto the gentiles?

if being a jew doesnt mean im saved(iam of isreal and in christ) then what is the point of the believing that isreal accepts the messiah? when they do then too loose their indentity as that nation of isreal.

thus my point with futurism these days. they seem to get alot wrong.i never said i wasnt saved, only that of isreal there jews in my family that are messianic. myself, dad and my brother and great uncle.

now then did these loose their relation to jacob in christ?
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You should realize that your relation to Jacob is as nothing without your relation to God through Christ.
 
Sinthesis said:
You should realize that your relation to Jacob is as nothing without your relation to God through Christ.
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i know. they dont get that. a jew doesnt loose his identy in isreal for isreal is all that christ. to jews i say that jesus was the ultimate jew and the torah incarnate. they tend to like that better.
 
Revelation Chapter 2
[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
[10] Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
[11] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
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Revelation Chapter 20
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
King James said:
Revelation Chapter 2
[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
[10] Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
[11] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
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Revelation Chapter 20
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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Point ?
 
These christians aren't slackers mentioned in the verses above. These are actually the elite. This is the number one goal. Not the wishful thinking of a pre-trib rapture. In the gospels it clearly states that Jesus is returning post tribulation. If anything, maybe some will be pre-trib raptured. Possibly the church of Philidelphia? Rev. 3 [10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Maybe only the 144,000 will be "raptured". It's an insult to portray these christians that become martyred as some kind of christian flunkies that weren't good enough to get pre-trib raptured when infact they will reign with Jesus for 1,000 years and are immune from the second death and the final judgement. Peace of mind is not worth rejecting 100 verses saying no pre-trib vs. reading in what you want about in some of Paul's theosophical works.
 
Rapture doesn't seem to be in the Bible, I only see Jesus coming again once to save his people from the lava covering the earth in Revelation after the meteor hits.
 
America is blessed by God forever, because it will always protect Israel. After the Rapture four evil angels located at the Euphrates River where they have been in prison for rebelling against God in heaven will be let loose by the sixth Angel from heaven. They will destroy 1/3 of mankind (located in the Middle East) by fire, smoke, and brimstone. This includes the army of 200 million that has advanced towards Israel.

Revelation 12:14 says, The woman (Israel) was given the two wings of a great eagle (USA), so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.

The United States will not be as strong with a large military because of the Rapture. The United States will protect Israel for 3 1/2 years with the threat of launching it's Nuclear Weapons.​
 
iLOVE said:
America is blessed by God forever, because it will always protect Israel. After the Rapture four evil angels located at the Euphrates River where they have been in prison for rebelling against God in heaven will be let loose by the sixth Angel from heaven. They will destroy 1/3 of mankind (located in the Middle East) by fire, smoke, and brimstone. This includes the army of 200 million that has advanced towards Israel.

Revelation 12:14 says, The woman (Israel) was given the two wings of a great eagle (USA), so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.

The United States will not be as strong with a large military because of the Rapture. The United States will protect Israel for 3 1/2 years with the threat of launching it's Nuclear Weapons.
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The U.S. and Britain are Israel, what we call the State of Israel is in reality Judah.
 
jasoncran said:
really so theres no jews such me and my bro and dad and great uncle that arent saved? i know at least six i can name that are jews that are saved. the blood doesnt need to remove the church in order to work on the hebrews.
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if you got Jesus been bought by the blood your just as saved as the next person..nationality has nothing to do with. they call it grace.
 
iLOVE said:
America is blessed by God forever, because it will always protect Israel. After the Rapture four evil angels located at the Euphrates River where they have been in prison for rebelling against God in heaven will be let loose by the sixth Angel from heaven. They will destroy 1/3 of mankind (located in the Middle East) by fire, smoke, and brimstone. This includes the army of 200 million that has advanced towards Israel.

Revelation 12:14 says, The woman (Israel) was given the two wings of a great eagle (USA), so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.

The United States will not be as strong with a large military because of the Rapture. The United States will protect Israel for 3 1/2 years with the threat of launching it's Nuclear Weapons.​
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your out in left field america has its own problems called sin infested leaders . while GOD will bless for support. if we as a nation do not clean up our camp and make it Holy.GOD will not favor us.
 
ezra said:
your out in left field america has its own problems called sin infested leaders . while GOD will bless for support. if we as a nation do not clean up our camp and make it Holy.GOD will not favor us.
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It is possible to live in this world and not experience the consequences of it. God loves you. Your part is to call upon His name, pray, and apply faith pressure through His Word, all of which will move the hand of God on your behalf!
 
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