Preterism & Biblical Prophecy

[Hitch]

Re: Gentry on Hyper-Preterism

As you know, I am not a preterist of any kind. I think labels like this simply become strawmen, and allow people to treat these issues as a competition between equally valid interpretations. It is not.

As a long time student of Gentry and his mentor Boettner I can assure you he wastes no time with strawmen.

Either the words Christ spoke are true and we simply don't understand everything He meant when He said them, or He lied to us. If He is a liar, why follow Him? Why believe anything He said?

I can read all those proof texts and answer simply that Christ was not speaking about 'coming' in the physical sense but rather in judgement, much as he promised to be where ever two or more are gathered, I have yet to see him bodily and neither did anyone at Babel or Egypt etc.

There are two verses I think that keep me from falling completely into one camp
or the other:

{39} "For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'" Matthew 23:39 (NASB)

{6} So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, "Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?" {7} He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority; Acts 1:6-7 (NASB)

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With these two verses, Christ leaves open the possibility that He could - in fact - come a third time to restore the kingdom to Israel: the Israel that should have accepted Him the first time He came.

Dont forget, the cross was planned before the foundation of the world, and not just the execution but everything from the birth of John to Judas and Pilate and even Pete's sad denial. The temporal kingdom had long since served its purpose , and is never even spoken of by Christ, but rather 'repent and believe the Gospel '

He didn't say He would restore the kingdom to Israel. He didn't say He wouldn't.

Well actually he did say he would not. He did that at the time he told the Pharisees that he would remove the kingdom from them and grant it to a nation that would bear the fruit of it. Since the nation of royal priests ,the church, indeed bears the fruit of the kingdom she alone has and will continue as heir. Touching on His further response; Obviously it cant be known yet I think he basically shined them on knowing that the foolishness of the question would come to them over time. Interesting isnt it that no one is recorded as asking who or what the nation of fruit bears is supposed to be ,I recon those early Fathers spent a great deal of time talking about the many things they realized later on much like Andy and Clete after the encounter on the Road to Emmaus. .

He said it was conditional on Israel accepting Him and that - basically - it was none of our business.


I realize that doesn't fit with a "full preterist" view, but - as I have written many times - I'm not a preterist.

I hope you make a stand 'soon' heh heh

However, I do think it's clear from the apostle's understanding of His words that they fully expected Him to return in their lifetime. He said so. That coming was in judgment, as has been previously shown before.


In the final analysis, the history of the kingdom of God is still being written. In the meantime, we're to keep on keeping on.

 

[Sinthesis]

Re: Gentry on Hyper-Preterism

Perhaps I'm a spiritual preterist as opposed to all those fleshy preterists and fleshy futurists out there. Oooh, that's far too arrogant.

I guess I'm not literally a preterist, rather I'm a figurative-preterist-in-part. Revelation and other prophetic timelines signify what was to start soon after they were given, and yet they continue into our current era and even generations future to ours. The patterns are found in the OT, but are altered because of Christ in the world. Very little of Revelation concerns our future to the exclusion of past generations. It is arrogant to think otherwise, but it's downright foolish to believe all is behind us.

 

[Sinthesis]

Re: Gentry on Hyper-Preterism

Interesting isnt it that no one is recorded as asking who or what the nation of fruit bears is supposed to be...

Errant spiritual interpretation?

 

[Hitch]

Re: Gentry on Hyper-Preterism

Errant spiritual interpretation?

PERF!


OK here e , r

 

[Lehigh3]

Re: Gentry on Hyper-Preterism

There is not one hint of Jesus returning other than at judgment time on Judah.

Every statement He made was about returning was in reference to after the judgment of Judah.

"He would appear a Second time FOR those who were waiting for Him." Not TO - but on behalf of those that He put down their persecutors for.

He would appear a 2nd time for "salvation" & not sin. In other words, those that left the city as warned would be saved (temporal salvation) in this life - just like Noah's temporal "salvation" in this life was.

Show me where Jesus said or indicated that the saints would see Him in the "inner rooms" or anywhere else physically - which He unequivocally said He wouldn't be found! Show me.

And what's more, show me where He described what He was going to do once He got here a second time. (in His words, not symbols or man's interpretations)

So, I'll wait for a response of how you still want to bring Christ down from heaven....
Proof with Scripture pls, not opinions & imaginations.

 

[Lehigh3]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

I'm still waiting for the Biblical proof that Christ said He was going to return in the flesh & start His kingdom(?) or whatever futurists say He said he was going to do when he returned a second time.

No symbolism & obscure verses pls. Clear words from Christ in the gospels.

Jesus was already offered to be an earthly King & Kingdom the 1st time, but turned those things down! (John 6:15)
Christ rejected the offer to be king on an earthly throne bc it was, from the beginning, a symbol of rebellion against God! (1Sam 8:5-8; 10:19; 12:17)

I mostly would like to see proof from the post-millennialists & historicists. Dispenstionalism is no longer a challenge-

I would like to see why partial- preterists, that think a 2nd coming is still future-

where do you see Jesus telling about what He was going to do when He would "appear" a second time.? (in a full literal description of that mission)?

The reason why I ask is that preterists believe we have the spiritual blessings promised to the prophets, right here right now.
Yet futurists are looking for something more & do not seem to acknowledge His presence & promises right now- but seem to await something more- yet, what that is & where the Biblical proof is- I am left with only the notion that tradition has a misplaced hope for our future!

 

[Stormcrow]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

Yet futurists are looking for something more & do not seem to acknowledge His presence & promises right now

Futurists are looking for Christ to return, establish His kingdom on earth, rule the nations with a rod of iron (eliminate Communism and Islam and the corrupt U.S. government), eliminate sin, reward the saints, punish the sinners ("kill them all!"), and - 7 years BEFORE all that happens - take them out of the world via the rapture leaving their mortgages, credit card bills, car payments, and bad jobs and relationships behind.

I know this is what futurists are looking for because that's what every dispy/futurist church I've ever attended taught. And I was stupid enough to believe it. 2

 

[Hitch]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

Futurists are looking for Christ to return, establish His kingdom on earth, rule the nations with a rod of iron (eliminate Communism and Islam and the corrupt U.S. government), eliminate sin, reward the saints, punish the sinners ("kill them all!"), and - 7 years BEFORE all that happens - take them out of the world via the rapture leaving their mortgages, credit card bills, car payments, and bad jobs and relationships behind.

I know this is what futurists are looking for because that's what every dispy/futurist church I've ever attended taught. And I was stupid enough to believe it. 2

With great sadness all he said was Yup.

 

[n2thelight]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

I'm still waiting for the Biblical proof that Christ said He was going to return in the flesh & start His kingdom(?) or whatever futurists say He said he was going to do when he returned a second time.

Christ did not say He was coming back in the flesh,when He returns,we shall all be changed,the age of flesh will end at that time.....

Zechariah 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

I Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Do you understand what the last trump is?Just to help you out it didn't sound in AD70,that's for sure....

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him."

Those that have died,Christ will bring them back with Him at His return,AD70?I think not...Those that are still here,will be changed at that instant....

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,"

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is [the Lord is just] at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

As per scripture,you all are very much deceived,and in the process of deceiving those who just take your word for it.....

What did Paul say again?
Jesus Christ is coming back to this earth, but the saints of Christ will not be gathered to Him until the "son of perdition" [Satan] be revealed first. How will we know who he is when he arrives?

Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."

This beast "thou [John] sawest", was in the first earth age; and is not on this earth now, as it is written in Revelation 12:7. Satan is in heaven being our accuser, and will be cast out to this earth very shortly by Michael.

"And shall ascend out of the bottomless pit; and go into perdition;" Who is he again? He is Satan the Antichrist. Satan is not a man born of woman, but a "supernatural arch angel". In Ezekiel 28 it is written that Satan [Lucifer] is the most beautiful of all God's created beings.

In Isaiah 14:12; "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lu'-ci-fer [day star], son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Lucifer then is another name for Satan; he is also called the Dragon, the serpent, and many other names accounting for the roles he plays, and in our generation he will also be called the "Antichrist".

Isaiah 14:13; "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:"

Satan is saying, I'm going to be God, and be above the sons [stars] of God. The "mount of the congregation" is on mount Zion; and that is "the side of the north" where Jesus Christ's temple will be.

Isaiah 14:14; "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." Satan is saying again, he is going to be God.

Isaiah 14:15; "Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell [sheol], to the sides of the pit."
Who is this that is going into the pit? Who is this son of perdition? It is Lucifer, who is Satan, the "son of perdition". The "son of perdition" of II Thessalonians 2:3 is none other than Satan himself, coming to earth to play the role of Jesus Christ. Paul then is saying that the true Christ, Jesus Christ, will not return to earth until this "apostasy" takes place first.

Now,back to those who have died,where are they and did they come with Christ in 70 AD,I,think not,they are still where the Word says they are

Revelation 6:9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"

Revelation 6:10 "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord [Master], holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth."

Revelation 6:11 "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


Simply put,satan as the antichrist comes at the 6 seal 6 trump and 6 vial Christ returns at the 7 seal 7 trump 7 vial,neither happened in 70 AD

Now,if Christ returned in 70AD,where are those per scripture that should have came with Him?

 

[Hitch]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

So exactly how many thousands of years is a 'little season' ?

 

[Sam21]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

It is interesting to see folks squirm, trying to "make" the bible say certain things in order to make sense of it. The bible is a wonderful book and it contains the revealed words and plan of God,however there are a few places where the dots just do not connect and it is amusing to see people try to connect those dots that cannot be connected. Hey,I knew God way before I ever read the bible,so I know that He is real and that salvation is by faith in Christ and His sacrifice. Folks, the truth is that Matt24 and Mark 13 cannot be made to go together without someone lying about something, why do I say that? Because in both of those places in scripture Jesus is quoted as saying that ALL would be fulfilled in THAT generation and the truth is that only PART of what was included in ALL was actually fulfilled in THAT generation. Jesus described the destruction of Jerusalem(fulfilled 70ad) AND the end of the age with His return(not yet fulfilled),PART of what Jesus described happened in THAT generation and PART has not yet happened. The preterists try to connect the unconnectable dots by claiming that the age ended and Christ returned in 70ad. This idea presents no historic evidence either religious or secular and requires extensive lying about scriptures. The futurists do not lie about the scriptures except in the area of the time element where they claim Jesus was speaking of a future generation,a concept not included in the literal. I have just decided to have none of it and be truthful. First the age has not ended and Jesus has not returned...TRUTH. Second Jesus said that He would return in the generation in which He was living. I am not going to lie and manipulate the scriptures in order to try to make sense of this place in the bible, I believe in God so I will just let it go at that. Th only possible explanation I have ever heard is that the word FULFILLED is actually a word that meant to BEGIN TO OCCUR.

 

[Hitch]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

It is interesting to see folks squirm, trying to "make" the bible say certain things in order to make sense of it. The bible is a wonderful book and it contains the revealed words and plan of God,however there are a few places where the dots just do not connect and it is amusing to see people try to connect those dots that cannot be connected. Hey,I knew God way before I ever read the bible,so I know that He is real and that salvation is by faith in Christ and His sacrifice. Folks, the truth is that Matt24 and Mark 13 cannot be made to go together without someone lying about something, why do I say that? Because in both of those places in scripture Jesus is quoted as saying that ALL would be fulfilled in THAT generation and the truth is that only PART of what was included in ALL was actually fulfilled in THAT generation. Jesus described the destruction of Jerusalem(fulfilled 70ad) AND the end of the age with His return(not yet fulfilled),PART of what Jesus described happened in THAT generation and PART has not yet happened. The preterists try to connect the unconnectable dots by claiming that the age ended and Christ returned in 70ad. This idea presents no historic evidence either religious or secular and requires extensive lying about scriptures. The futurists do not lie about the scriptures except in the area of the time element where they claim Jesus was speaking of a future generation,a concept not included in the literal. I have just decided to have none of it and be truthful. First the age has not ended and Jesus has not returned...TRUTH. Second Jesus said that He would return in the generation in which He was living. I am not going to lie and manipulate the scriptures in order to try to make sense of this place in the bible, I believe in God so I will just let it go at that. Th only possible explanation I have ever heard is that the word FULFILLED is actually a word that meant to BEGIN TO OCCUR.

Imagine that, Sam carrying ona bout lies and squirming... lol

Originally Posted by Sam21
In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd.

Quote me saying that Sam

 

[Hitch]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

It is interesting to see folks squirm, trying to "make" the bible say certain things in order to make sense of it. The bible is a wonderful book and it contains the revealed words and plan of God,however there are a few places where the dots just do not connect and it is amusing to see people try to connect those dots that cannot be connected. Hey,I knew God way before I ever read the bible,so I know that He is real and that salvation is by faith in Christ and His sacrifice. Folks, the truth is that Matt24 and Mark 13 cannot be made to go together without someone lying about something, why do I say that? Because in both of those places in scripture Jesus is quoted as saying that ALL would be fulfilled in THAT generation and the truth is that only PART of what was included in ALL was actually fulfilled in THAT generation. Jesus described the destruction of Jerusalem(fulfilled 70ad) AND the end of the age with His return(not yet fulfilled),PART of what Jesus described happened in THAT generation and PART has not yet happened. The preterists try to connect the unconnectable dots by claiming that the age ended and Christ returned in 70ad. This idea presents no historic evidence either religious or secular and requires extensive lying about scriptures. The futurists do not lie about the scriptures except in the area of the time element where they claim Jesus was speaking of a future generation,a concept not included in the literal. I have just decided to have none of it and be truthful. First the age has not ended and Jesus has not returned...TRUTH. Second Jesus said that He would return in the generation in which He was living. I am not going to lie and manipulate the scriptures in order to try to make sense of this place in the bible, I believe in God so I will just let it go at that. Th only possible explanation I have ever heard is that the word FULFILLED is actually a word that meant to BEGIN TO OCCUR.

Imagine that, Sam carrying on about lies and squirming... lol

Originally Posted by Sam21
In the case of people such as yourself,no, I do not believe that God is able to communicate with you. The second return of Christ is the most dynamic event in the history of the world according to the bible,yet you chose to believe that it came and went without secular or religious history even recording it...totally absurd.

Quote me saying that Sam

 

[Lehigh3]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

by n2thelight,

Now,if Christ returned in 70AD,where are those per scripture that should have came with Him?

Is this intended to be read literally also? Did the Lord literally "come down with the saints?"
Deuteronomy 33 NKJV,
Moses’ Final Blessing on Israel

1 Now this is the blessing with which Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. 2 And he said:

“The LORD came from Sinai,
And dawned on them from Seir;
He shone forth from Mount Paran,
And He came with ten thousands of saints;
From His right hand
Came a fiery law for them. 3 Yes, He loves the people;
All His saints are in Your hand;
They sit down at Your feet;
Everyone receives Your words.

 

[Sinthesis]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

It is interesting to see folks squirm, trying to "make" the bible say certain things in order to make sense of it. The bible is a wonderful book and it contains the revealed words and plan of God,however there are a few places where the dots just do not connect and it is amusing to see people try to connect those dots that cannot be connected. Hey,I knew God way before I ever read the bible,so I know that He is real and that salvation is by faith in Christ and His sacrifice. Folks, the truth is that Matt24 and Mark 13 cannot be made to go together without someone lying about something, why do I say that? Because in both of those places in scripture Jesus is quoted as saying that ALL would be fulfilled in THAT generation and the truth is that only PART of what was included in ALL was actually fulfilled in THAT generation. Jesus described the destruction of Jerusalem(fulfilled 70ad) AND the end of the age with His return(not yet fulfilled),PART of what Jesus described happened in THAT generation and PART has not yet happened. The preterists try to connect the unconnectable dots by claiming that the age ended and Christ returned in 70ad. This idea presents no historic evidence either religious or secular and requires extensive lying about scriptures. The futurists do not lie about the scriptures except in the area of the time element where they claim Jesus was speaking of a future generation,a concept not included in the literal. I have just decided to have none of it and be truthful. First the age has not ended and Jesus has not returned...TRUTH. Second Jesus said that He would return in the generation in which He was living. I am not going to lie and manipulate the scriptures in order to try to make sense of this place in the bible, I believe in God so I will just let it go at that. Th only possible explanation I have ever heard is that the word FULFILLED is actually a word that meant to BEGIN TO OCCUR.

Rather than calling others 'liars', perhaps you might try to understand their interpretations and, working back from there, locate where your ideas diverge. Critically identify the preconceptions others need in order to believe in their particular stance, and then see how and why you are interpreting the Word and the world around you differently. This is how you can identify your own preconceptions. Don't worry, God is not going to allow you to be sucked into some cult if you simply consider the uncomfortable reasonings of others.:devil

 

[Sam21]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

by n2thelight,
Is this intended to be read literally also? Did the Lord literally "come down with the saints?"
Deuteronomy 33 NKJV,
Moses’ Final Blessing on Israel

1 Now this is the blessing with which Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. 2 And he said:

“The LORD came from Sinai,
And dawned on them from Seir;
He shone forth from Mount Paran,
And He came with ten thousands of saints;
From His right hand
Came a fiery law for them. 3 Yes, He loves the people;
All His saints are in Your hand;
They sit down at Your feet;
Everyone receives Your words.

That does not apply because Jesus went so far as to give the disciples a clear picture of His return by physically going up into the sky and having angels explain to the disciples that He would return in the same way.Your attempts to explain your position are utterly flawed.

 

[Sam21]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

Rather than calling others 'liars', perhaps you might try to understand their interpretations and, working back from there, locate where your ideas diverge. Critically identify the preconceptions others need in order to believe in their particular stance, and then see how and why you are interpreting the Word and the world around you differently. This is how you can identify your own preconceptions. Don't worry, God is not going to allow you to be sucked into some cult if you simply consider the uncomfortable reasonings of others.:devil

Been there,done that,conclusion,they are following the leading of another spirit(like it takes a rocket scientist to see that), figure this one out, there is a saying in the secular world called,"follow the money trail", if you look at preterism,electism,saved by water,kingdom now,name it claim it,JW, Mormon,and on and on, they always have one thing in common...they get something personal out of their deviation from scripture and that is why they are willing to deviate. This kind of stuff is not about pure minded noble christian folks seeing scripture a little different,this is about the children of God who believe the word of God in opposition to people who have made up their minds to deviate from scripture because of something they personally get out of it.

 

[Lehigh3]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

That does not apply because Jesus went so far as to give the disciples a clear picture of His return by physically going up into the sky and having angels explain to the disciples that He would return in the same way.Your attempts to explain your position are utterly flawed.

You haven't been there & done that much studying - bc it seems you didn't know about the Roman/Jewish war either in history.

And I will post (again) the Acts 1:11 verse.

QUESTION 15: Acts 1:11 says that Jesus is going to come back in the SAME manner He left. My Bible says He left visibly and physically. You, on the other hand, say He will not come back in the flesh. How do you defend yourself against Acts 1:11, a verse that is an obvious contradiction of preterism?

ANSWER: The Lord was going to come in the same manner as He entered heaven. How did He enter heaven? Hidden from the eyes in a Cloud. (vs. 9) He was going to "come in like manner."

The apostles wanted Jesus to come out of the Cloud, to be lowered back down and to be with them again in the flesh. But the two men corrected the apostles by telling them that Jesus was going to come, not in the manner He left, but in the manner He entered Heaven. The Coming of the Son with His Father to indwell the Church was not going to be a coming in His flesh, but in His Divinity, in the Glory-Cloud of Yahweh God. (I Tim. 3:16)

The spiritual nature of Christ's Parousia is confirmed by a comparison of Matt. 16:28 and Lk. 17:21: In Matt. 16:28, Jesus taught that His Coming was going to be "in His Kingdom." In Lk. 17:20-21, He taught that His Kingdom was going to come "not with observation." If the Kingdom was going to come "not with observation," then it follows also that the King in that Kingdom (II Cor. 4:18) was also going to come "not with observation."

From preteristcosmos.com

Now whose theology is flawed?!

 

[Sam21]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

You haven't been there & done that much studying - bc it seems you didn't know about the Roman/Jewish war either in history.

And I will post (again) the Acts 1:11 verse.

QUESTION 15: Acts 1:11 says that Jesus is going to come back in the SAME manner He left. My Bible says He left visibly and physically. You, on the other hand, say He will not come back in the flesh. How do you defend yourself against Acts 1:11, a verse that is an obvious contradiction of preterism?

ANSWER: The Lord was going to come in the same manner as He entered heaven. How did He enter heaven? Hidden from the eyes in a Cloud. (vs. 9) He was going to "come in like manner."

The apostles wanted Jesus to come out of the Cloud, to be lowered back down and to be with them again in the flesh. But the two men corrected the apostles by telling them that Jesus was going to come, not in the manner He left, but in the manner He entered Heaven. The Coming of the Son with His Father to indwell the Church was not going to be a coming in His flesh, but in His Divinity, in the Glory-Cloud of Yahweh God. (I Tim. 3:16)

The spiritual nature of Christ's Parousia is confirmed by a comparison of Matt. 16:28 and Lk. 17:21: In Matt. 16:28, Jesus taught that His Coming was going to be "in His Kingdom." In Lk. 17:20-21, He taught that His Kingdom was going to come "not with observation." If the Kingdom was going to come "not with observation," then it follows also that the King in that Kingdom (II Cor. 4:18) was also going to come "not with observation."

From preteristcosmos.com

Now whose theology is flawed?!

Heaven is not actually in the sky so, no one saw him enter(duh). You said,"the apostles wanted Jesus to come out of the cloud",nothing like that in the bible. No,the angels did not say Jesus would return in the manner He entered Heaven but in the way He went up into the sky. You are so far off, the "kingdom will not come with observation" was because those particular people at that time thought Jesus would set up an earthly kingdom,Jesus came to die for sins that time,the second time is when the Kingdom is set up. Your attempt to use scripture is totally and utterly flawed!!! Do you mind terrible describing your conversion experience, this is very important because a flawed foundation will produce a flawed structure.

 

[Hitch]

Re: Questions for the Preterists/Fullfilled Prophecy people here (Stormcrow, Hitch et

Heaven is not actually in the sky so, no one saw him enter(duh). You said,"the apostles wanted Jesus to come out of the cloud",nothing like that in the bible. No,the angels did not say Jesus would return in the manner He entered Heaven but in the way He went up into the sky. You are so far off, the "kingdom will not come with observation" was because those particular people at that time thought Jesus would set up an earthly kingdom,Jesus came to die for sins that time,the second time is when the Kingdom is set up. Your attempt to use scripture is totally and utterly flawed!!! Do you mind terrible describing your conversion experience, this is very important because a flawed foundation will produce a flawed structure.

ark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Jesus never 'got' dispensationalism.