Questions for every one

[stovebolts]

It amazes me how whe can build one another up by negativity of the evils of others, as opposed to the plain Good News of Christ our savior.

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Jeff, do you realize there is a big difference between imperfection and hypocricy?

Imperfection is innocent but hypocricy is not! That's what is going on in the most christian community.

The narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it. Why do we have so many churches and churchgoers in free countries? It is because they are not telling the wholetruth about what it takes to follow Jesus. If they do, they lose the most of their congregation. They dont want to lose their congregation. This kind of churches are not Jesus' Chruch.

If the congregation leave because of the whole truth, then they are not fit to be His followers.

Yes Gingercat, you are 100% correct and I agree with your statement.

Now then, what do we do about it? How do we spread the truth without becomeing one of the ones in which you started this thread? If we say, "Your going to hell because you do this or don't do that"... how have we become any different?

This is what I have been speaking about this whole thread. Go back to every statment I have made with this thougt in mind...

 

[gingercat]

Again, You state that "if Jesus' Holy Spirit is in us" in us? In us as in seperate from us? How can you be filled with something and not have it become a part of YOU? It's not oil and water... it's water... and how in the world can you seperate water from water? This is what makes up the


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You see Jeff, you started show your practice of your knowledge. Not eveyone who says they are His followers are not of His. I said "if" because not all of us are His people even though they are claiming to be.

 

[stovebolts]

And when you are done... And please read Proverbs 1 through 4, all of it, I promise, it will take less than 30 minutes.

When you are done, ask yourself, what is this "Narrow Road"? Then ask, "Why do so few find it"?

Don't answer now... Read, pray, think.

Amen.

 

[gingercat]

Now then, what do we do about it?

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Stove, cannt you see yet? I am boycotting those corrupted churches. I will not cooperate with them. The Bible tells us to expose the evil deeds of darkness and I am exposing the reality and the truth about the most of the churches. That's what I am doing besides being supporting other reponsibilities. Please don't think this is the only thing I am doing. Jesus is powerful. He gives us and trust us to do the multiple tasks, of course with His help.

 

[Solo]

Many have accepted the teachings of our churches. Most of what they teach however is NOT Biblical and concerned more with teaching it's members to be reliant upon 'them'. Businesses must have customers and do everything within their means to 'please' their customers. This is NOT what the Bible teaches us that THE CHURCH is or should be. Therefore, since it's not Biblical nor obvious in it's intent to 'teach the truth', I reject it's offering that it has any merit that makes a difference. And quite possible, if there is a difference, this could be one that is detrimental rather than beneficial.


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thank you imagican,

You stated eloquently about what is going on about the organized churches. It is awful that so many churchgoers fingerpoint at the people who don't attend church accusing them of not Christian or not walking with the Lord. How far from the truth. I decided not to attend the church building becasue I find them not biblical. Their excuses are "no church is perfect". Imperfection is not the problem. The problem with them is because I dont believe they are doing their best to follow the Bible. Their goal is to please the majority and not the Bible's teachings. Result of their practice is obvious too. That's why they dont want to dicuss fruit of the Christianity and all they want to do is debate the theology. As longas you are debating and quoting the Bible you are accepted.

We know by our fruit if we are true followers or not and churches don't want to talk about it. If you do you will be comdemned without exception.

Most churches are closing their eyes from the truth and reality of what is going on.

I would suggest doing a study on the word church in the New Testament.

Jesus said, "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican." Matthew 18:15-17

The word Church is translated from the Greek word εκκλησια which is transliterated Ekklesia. This word is translated 115 times as "church" and 3 times as "assembly".

The definition of the word εκκλησια in the Strongs Concordance is:

1. a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
   • an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating[/*:m:5d2af]
   • the assembly of the Israelites [/*:m:5d2af]
   • any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously [/*:m:5d2af]
   • in a Christian sense
     • an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting [/*:m:5d2af]
     • a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order's sake [/*:m:5d2af]
     • those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body [/*:m:5d2af]
     • the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth [/*:m:5d2af]
     • the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven[/*:m:5d2af]
     [/*:m:5d2af][/list:o:5d2af][/*:m:5d2af][/list:o:5d2af]A study of the word εκκλησια in its context of the 118 times that it is used shows that the majority of its usage refers to a local gathering of believers with leadership, teachers, pastors, and other members of the body of Christ such as those gifted with hospitality, giving, faith, etc.
     
     No where does the Bible speak of believers living a life separated from other believers in a community. In fact, just the opposite admonition is given.
     
     23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Hebrews 10:23-25

 

[gingercat]

I have been studing the NT everyday solo. thanks. That's why I bring up to the public to protest.

 

[Solo]

I have been studing the NT everyday solo. thanks. That's why I bring up to the public to protest.

Let me know when you find a Church to attend so that you have that fellowship, teaching, preaching, accountability, etc.

If you don't find a church to attend, you are cheating yourself and your children.

Why would Jesus establish the Church, and then tell you differently about them?

 

[stovebolts]

Why do some denominations believe that if we dont accept their theology, like trinity we are not Christian?

I believe Jesus is son of God and Savior of the world; but why this is not good enough?

Thank you. :D

This my friend was your opening statment... I do not know of any one who calls themselves a Christian that does not believe that Jesus is son of God and Savior of the world.

Jeff, cannt you see yet? I am boycotting those corrupted churches. I will not cooperate with them.

Perhaps I was blind and a tad slow... Perhaps you should have come right out with this in your opening statment so us poor sheep wouldn't have been led astray by your lack of articulating your true motive...

The Bible tells us to expose the evil deeds of darkness and I am exposing the reality and the truth about the most of the churches.

Book, Chapter and verse please?
There is only one True Church, and it belongs to the Lord. Scripture tells us how to handle those within the church, and those outside.

That's what I am doing besides being supporting other reponsibilities. Please don't think this is the only thing I am doing. Jesus is powerful. He gives us and trust us to do the multiple tasks, of course with His help.

So you have an agenda. Why not lay all your cards on the table right now? Gingercat,
Why are you on this forum? Exactly was agenda are you promoting?

May you find your peace.. Thank you for opening my eyes.

 

[gingercat]

So you have an agenda. Why not lay all your cards on the table right now? Gingercat,
Why are you on this forum? Exactly was agenda are you promoting?

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You tell me first volt, What is your agenda in this forum? Everyone has agenda in this forum. Mine has to be the same as every one else?

 

[gingercat]

Book, Chapter and verse please?



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Ephesians 5:11-12 "Have notyhing to do with the frutless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is sameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret."

 

[gingercat]

Perhaps I was blind and a tad slow... Perhaps you should have come right out with this in your opening statment so us poor sheep wouldn't have been led astray by your lack of articulating your true motive...


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Good greif, stove, I admit that I am not eloquent writer. Do you have to be so boxed up? Do we have to follow all the writing rules? I am sorry to disapoint you. I have to confess that I am not eloquent as you would like me to.

I am just expressing my convictions for the Lord. Is it aginst the Bible too? I don't think so!

 

[stovebolts]

My motive is to learn and share God's great love with others. Love covers a multitude of sins. Some sins lead to death, others don't.

Ephesians 5:11-12 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.


http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/view. ... hapter=005

Proving what is well-pleasing unto the Lord.

As "children of light," by continuing to walk in the Christian way, the very achievements of such living would "prove" what was pleasing to God, first to themselves, and secondarily, to all who became aware of what they were doing.



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Verse 11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them.

Reprove ...
This word means "expose," and probably should be so translated. There can be no neutrality between the sons of light and the sons of darkness. As Hendriksen said:



Sin must be exposed. One is not being nice to a wicked man by endeavoring to make him feel what a fine fellow he is. The cancerous tumor of sin must be removed. It is not really an act of love to smooth things over, as if the terrible evil of the sons of disobedience is really not so bad. F10



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Verse 12
For the things which are done by them in secret it is a shame even to speak of.

Although this verse is surely true of all wicked men, MacKnight, and others, have detected a close connection here with the various mystery cults of paganism. His paraphrase of Eph. 5:11-12 brings this out thus:



And have no fellowship with those who celebrate the heathen mysteries, which being transacted in the darkness of night are really the unfruitful works of darkness, as they bring no fruit to the initiated, except eternal death: But rather reprove them. For the impure and wicked actions which are secretly done in the mysteries by the initiated, are so abominable, that it is base even to mention them. F11

In regard to exposing... It appears that you do so through deceptive means. You have grossly mis used the Word of God.

May your Yes be Yes and your No be No.

Proverbs 3:3 Let not mercy and truth forsake you: bind them about your neck; write them upon the table of your heart:

Proverbs 8:7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

Proverbs 14:22 Do they not err that devise evil? but mercy and truth shall be to them that devise good.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things does the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked imaginations, feet that are swift in running to evil, A false witness that speaks lies, and he that sows discord among brethren.

Who is your brethren?

 

[gingercat]

This my friend was your opening statment... I do not know of any one who calls themselves a Christian that does not believe that Jesus is son of God and Savior of the world.


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Stove, I have accused of being heretical because I dont agree with OSAS and their interpretation of trinity, and not attending organized church building etc. Is is not only a few times, my friend. I was called heretical by 15 year old buptist girl in other forum.

 

[stovebolts]

Stove, I have accused of being heretical because I dont agree with OSAS and their interpretation of trinity, and not attending organized church building etc. Is is not only a few times, my friend. I was called heretical by 15 year old buptist girl in other forum.

We have all been accused of something. You were accused because of sombodies lack of understanding...

Be carefull how you accuse others, but more importantly, be cautios of your motive of doing so. Do not accuse your brother in anger or in revenge. Accuse them in God's word with patience and understanding, not in malice.

When we reprove a brother, it is to bring them back to the saving grace of the Lord. It is not to bolster ourselves that we become self rightous.

Do you understand where I am coming from?

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar: for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

God hates many things, this is true. So again, who is your brother? In other words, what qualifies them? This, is where your argument starts, as does the ones that accuse you.

 

[stovebolts]

I am sorry, you asked me some questions. Sorry I have not answered them.

Good greif, stove, I admit that I am not eloquent writer. Do you have to be so boxed up?

Boxed up? I don't fully understand your slang.

Do we have to follow all the writing rules?

writing rules? No, I'm lousy at writing. But I do try to articulate, to express what I am saying in a very clear manner. I also try to unravel any misunderstandings when I see them.

I am sorry to disapoint you. I have to confess that I am not eloquent as you would like me to.

I am not disapointed in your writing style. I am disapointed in your deceptive means. My goodness, do we attack what is wrong with wrong? No, we attempt to be a light for those around us. Sometimes this is very hard, because we can't find our way to that narrow gate... we can't peel away another layer of that sinful pride that points inward, and not upward.

I am just expressing my convictions for the Lord. Is it aginst the Bible too? I don't think so!

You are expressing exactly where you are with your walk with God. It is up to me and the other readers of this forum to realize this. From our responses, our maturity in Christ will show as well as our weakness. I pray that those who see my weakness, that you will correct me in gentleness.

If your bent on hating the Catholic, baptist or whatever church, perhaps you should start with a history lesson. Find a good thick book on the first through the third century church...then the 12th - 16th You may just be surprised at what you find... Then come back and expose the truth's if your heart desires. Just a suggestion...

 

[gingercat]

In regard to exposing... It appears that you do so through deceptive means. You have grossly mis used the Word of God.

May your Yes be Yes and your No be No.


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Stove, That's is your opinion, of cause we are all entitled to have our own opinions. I respect yours and I ask you to respect mine too.

I have been honest in everything.

We have completely different in undestanding and practicing the Bible. That's why I am here. You have been expressing yours, and I have been expressing mine. After that we only wait on His judgements on who is deceived or not. Meantime I will keep on speaking my convictions.

thanks. :angel:

 

[gingercat]

be carefull how you accuse others, but more importantly, be cautios of your motive of doing so. Do not accuse your brother in anger or in revenge. Accuse them in God's word with patience and understanding, not in malice.

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Stove, again you are entitled to your own opinions. I respect yours and you respect mine. Is that ok with you?


Who is being deceptive or not is up to Him to judge. Meantime I will not let you intimidate my judgments.

 

[gingercat]

Boxed up? I don't fully understand your slang.


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Oh my, we certainly changed our attitudes didn't we? I am sorry I did not know "boxed up" was slang. I meant you are being legalistic.

 

[gingercat]

writing rules? No, I'm lousy at writing. But I do try to articulate, to express what I am saying in a very clear manner. I also try to unravel any misunderstandings when I see them.

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Please forgive me, I am doing my best to convey my thoughts, too.

 

[gingercat]

If your bent on hating the Catholic, baptist

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Again it is your opinion. I repeat again. We have completely different in understanding of Jesus and practice of His teachings. I express mine and you express yours.

Now, it is up to Him to judge who is decieved or not.

Thanks for your suggestion but no thanks becasue my Bible is sufficient to know the Truth.

Good day stove. :angel: