Bible Study Rapture

[for_his_glory]

i asked for scripture saying thus saith the LORD JLB has showed scripture chain of event paul wrote to the Thessalonian church. jesus said behold i come quickly he said be ready he has said he will return for us. i am looking for black and white scripture

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

How much clearer can this be as when you see the red letters in the Bible this is Jesus speaking.

 

[ezra]

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

How much clearer can this be as when you see the red letters in the Bible this is Jesus speaking.

sorry but this does not say we will experience his wrath
Revelation 9:6

“And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”

you can be here if like. but i will be out of here before this part takes place . why would God punish his Children with those who have rejected him? that not GRACE I AM ONLY SAYING THE SAVED WILL NOT BE HERE WHEN HE POURS OUT HIS WRATH AND DESTROYS the earth...by fire..call it mid trib pre what ever . i am studying on math 24 but what i am reading doe snot line up with what your posting.. you line up pretty close with Erwin Baxter

 

[ezra]

christ takes his church out tribulation/wrath then he returns with fury after that the fire. could i be wrong ? yes could you be wrong yes? could others be wrong? yes. ultimately it happens on God time frame. thus is why i teach be ready be watching .how? by living the Life walk the walk please understand i am not implying your way off course .i am only saying many of us could be mistaken would be a better word. one thing for sure it will not catch us off guard .if we are abiding in him

 

[for_his_glory]

not from me once again my only point is we will not be here when the wrath of God comes and then the fire .. The Rapture and Resurrection is at the coming of the Lord. i stand by this

I don't like using the word Rapture as that word is not in scripture as scripture says caught up to Him at the last trump, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. I agree the catching up and the resurrection is at the coming of the Lord, but where we differ is that scripture says Christ returns on the last day, John 5:28, 29; John 6:40; Rev 19. I know you do not believe that, but it is written.

May I ask you to post the scriptures where it says Jesus returns before God's final wrath begins as I can not find them.

 

[ezra]

I don't like using the word Rapture as that word is not in scripture as scripture says caught up to Him at the last trump, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. I agree the catching up and the resurrection is at the coming of the Lord, but where we differ is that scripture says Christ returns on the last day, John 5:28, 29; John 6:40; Rev 19. I know you do not believe that, but it is written.

May I ask you to post the scriptures where it says Jesus returns before God's final wrath begins as I can not find them.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 thess 2
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only " HE"who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
HE would be the holy spirit the restrainer which indwell us
Genesis 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

 

[for_his_glory]

sorry but this does not say we will experience his wrath
Revelation 9:6

“And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”

you can be here if like. but i will be out of here before this part takes place . why would God punish his Children with those who have rejected him? that not GRACE I AM ONLY SAYING THE SAVED WILL NOT BE HERE WHEN HE POURS OUT HIS WRATH AND DESTROYS the earth...by fire..call it mid trib pre what ever . i am studying on math 24 but what i am reading doe snot line up with what your posting.. you line up pretty close with Erwin Baxter

again, I never said we who are of Christ will face God's wrath and be punished by it, but are safeguarded from it falling on us as we stand in the Holy place which is our faith and trust in Christ during this time, especially when we see the abomination of desolation Daniel spoke of. I never heard of Erwin Baxter.

 

[ezra]

I never heard of Erwin Baxter.

he is a end time teacher/upc minister i seldom listen to him he has radio program politics and religion. i was going post his page but it has videos .your isp will not let you watch videos due to dial up . when i had dial up i was able to watch them.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvin_Baxter_Jr.

 

[for_his_glory]

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 thess 2
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only " HE"who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
HE would be the holy spirit the restrainer which indwell us
Genesis 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

These verses say nothing about a pretrib or midtrib return. I'm going to nutshell this as it is a lengthy study as you have to study, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel, Daniel 7, 9; Matthew 24, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and the book of Revelations to understand the full context.

vs. 7 The mystery of iniquity has always been Satan, but many do not recognize him. The he (which is not capitalized) in verse 7 is Satan who as we read in Rev 12:7-12 will be cast out of heaven. He comes down to earth with great wrath to fight against those who are of Christ as he knows his time is very short.

From vs. 8-12 is that of mystery Babylon the great harlot that Daniel prophesied of in Daniel Chapter 7, described again in Rev 17 and destroyed in Rev 18. We read in Rev 19 that Christ returns in the air and destroys the beast and false prophet that came from mystery Babylon as He destroys them by the brightness of His coming casting them into the lake of fire. Jesus then binds Satan so he can not interfere with Christ sending His angels out to gather all who are of Christ, asleep in the grave and those still alive, as we then are with Him forever.

 

[for_his_glory]

he is a end time teacher/upc minister i seldom listen to him he has radio program politics and religion. i was going post his page but it has videos .your isp will not let you watch videos due to dial up . when i had dial up i was able to watch them.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvin_Baxter_Jr.

Thank you. I will have to look him up someday.

 

[Jim Parker]

It doesn’t seem you agree or understand, that there are things that will take place before His coming.

The antichrist is destroyed at His coming on the last Day, which means He will not come as a thief if the night, at any moment.

He will come as a thief in the night for the unsuspecting wicked who will be destroyed, at His coming, but He will not come as a thief in the night for the Church, who understands by the signs He left for us.

For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4

• then sudden destruction comes upon them
• But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

JLB

Whoa!!! I totally missed that!

Mat 24:32-33 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!"

iakov the fool

 

[JLB]

Whoa!!! I totally missed that!

Mat 24:32-33 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!"

iakov the fool

Yes sir. He left us signs.



JLB

 

[ezra]

These verses say nothing about a pretrib or midtrib return. I'm going to nutshell this as it is a lengthy study as you have to study, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel, Daniel 7, 9; Matthew 24, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and the book of Revelations to understand the full context.

vs. 7 The mystery of iniquity has always been Satan, but many do not recognize him. The he (which is not capitalized) in verse 7 is Satan who as we read in Rev 12:7-12 will be cast out of heaven. He comes down to earth with great wrath to fight against those who are of Christ as he knows his time is very short.

From vs. 8-12 is that of mystery Babylon the great harlot that Daniel prophesied of in Daniel Chapter 7, described again in Rev 17 and destroyed in Rev 18. We read in Rev 19 that Christ returns in the air and destroys the beast and false prophet that came from mystery Babylon as He destroys them by the brightness of His coming casting them into the lake of fire. Jesus then binds Satan so he can not interfere with Christ sending His angels out to gather all who are of Christ, asleep in the grave and those still alive, as we then are with Him forever.

i am not promoting pre or mid i just do not see in any way shape or form us being her when the wrath is poured out. the Church will not be here i cant agree the he is satan

 

[ezra]

The antichrist is destroyed at His coming on the last Day, which means He will not come as a thief if the night, at any moment.

it says CHRIST will return as a thief in the night .. 11 pages of trying to walk in the rain with out rain gear and not get wet.. ya all enjoy i still stand where i am

 

[ezrider]

a true child of God will have the proper mindset toward the return of Christ . the Bible say he will keep us in perfect peace whose mind is stayed o Him because we trust in him " that a bit of paraphrased
Isaiah 26:3
i enjoy a discussion .. TO SAY LOOKING FOR HIM BY LIVING EVERYDAY FOR HIM is the wrong mind set .is a wrong statement if were living for him we are watching for him .. what your saying is you crossed the fence.. when i said i jumped the fence either way we get the job done

Maybe you misunderstood what I said. I said nothing about LIVING EVERYDAY FOR HIM. Those are your words. The Pharisees thought they were living every day for him as well.

I said you should seek the mindset that HE IS ALREADY HERE. Why do Christians claim that they are born again with the Spirit of Christ within them, but then say they await his return? If Christians await his return, then how can they claim that the Spirit of Christ resides in them? For we are the temple of God. If we continue to say we await his return, then who is it that sits in the temple?


When I used the term wrong mindset, I was not saying you are wrong. Just sometimes we don't like to consider things differently, or rather from a different perspective. So when it come choosing a mind set, here is a simple question to consider:

Does the calf of the stall tread corn with the ox?

 

[ezrider]

What we teach is not about God's wrath, but to keep others from it falling on them as we are to be prepared to be the Bride of Christ the moment He returns. God's wrath only falls on those who have rejected Christ. Many of us give these warnings to those who have not yet asked Jesus to be their Lord and Savior in hopes that they will see that of what must come first before the return of Christ. This is what Revelations is all about which means the unveiling of those things Christ has already warned us would happen before He returns that we are prepared as His Bride and not taken as a theif in the night.

If we are to be prepared to be the Bride of Christ, then why does the bride prepare herself for war? Is a helmet, a breastplate, a shield with boots and a sword the garment of a bride prepared for her wedding? Shouldn't the bride be looking to put on a new garment?

Why do you give warning to those who are not condemned? Some are so focused on sin and the wrath of God, that while they themselves sit in judgement over the "unbelievers" thinking they need to warn them, they themselves forget that JUDGEMENT BEGINS WITH THE HOUSE OF THE LORD.

 

[ezrider]

it says CHRIST will return as a thief in the night .. 11 pages of trying to walk in the rain with out rain gear and not get wet.. ya all enjoy i still stand where i am

Actually, it is written in the scripture that the Son of Man shall come in the Glory of his Father. Any Idea what that may look like?

If one wishes to receive of the latter rain, then they would not seek rain gear to hide under, nor should they seek a covering if they desire to partake of the hidden manna; for the morning dew can not rest upon the tender herb if it remains beneath a covering.

 

[ezra]

Actually, it is written in the scripture that the Son of Man shall come in the Glory of his Father. Any Idea what that may look like?

If one wishes to receive of the latter rain, then they would not seek rain gear to hide under, nor should they seek a covering if they desire to partake of the hidden manna; for the morning dew can not rest upon the tender herb if it remains beneath a covering.

<shaking head> the rain coat has NOTHING to do with the latter rain. your poetry does not impress me. when Christ returns if i am alive i will experience his glory .if i am in the grave i will experience his Glory. where Jesus is at i will be john 14

 

[JLB]

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The way the Church avoids the wrath of God is being caught up together with Christ, in the air, above the earth before He “tramples the winepress of the wrath of God” upon the antichrist and the wicked.

He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Revelation 19:15

• But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

• For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:9


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

i am not promoting pre or mid i just do not see in any way shape or form us being her when the wrath is poured out. the Church will not be here i cant agree the he is satan

Whether you realize it or not you are promoting a possible pretrib or midrib by what you believe, but yet have no scripture to support your view. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 are the events that precede that of Christ return. These things are also spoken by Christ in Matthew 24, prophesied by Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Joel and Daniel in the OT. I can't make you see it as only the Holy Spirit can reveal it to you. All we can do is give the scriptures of what Christ has already taught about His coming for His Bride.

 

[for_his_glory]

If we are to be prepared to be the Bride of Christ, then why does the bride prepare herself for war? Is a helmet, a breastplate, a shield with boots and a sword the garment of a bride prepared for her wedding? Shouldn't the bride be looking to put on a new garment?

Why do you give warning to those who are not condemned? Some are so focused on sin and the wrath of God, that while they themselves sit in judgement over the "unbelievers" thinking they need to warn them, they themselves forget that JUDGEMENT BEGINS WITH THE HOUSE OF THE LORD.

Being prepared to be His Bride means that we need to be Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit as we confess Jesus as Lord and Savior, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9,10, Colossians 3:1-4. Our war here on earth is against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. We put on the whole armour of God, that we may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil, Ephesians 6:10-18.

I give no warning to those who are not condemned who are of Christ, but warning to those who have yet to accept Jesus as to what will happen to them during God's great wrath and final judgment. God's wrath is not for those who are already in Christ as they are kept from it for God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him, 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 10.

We are not only called to take the Gospel out to the world to teach God's salvation, but also to give warning to those to turn away from iniquity, Ezekiel 3:17-19; Matthew 10:28; 24:37-39; Luke 21:28; Philippians 3:18, 19; James 1:12. I judge no one as judgment is of God alone. Judgment does begin with the house of God as we are His Temple. What shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:12-19.