Revelation 1:1-3 Seldom examined verses

[Shilohsfoal]

The descendants of the promises received on Mt. Sinai were their children. You know, the biological children? Why has that escaped you.

The Constitution is also for people born 200 years plus later. Why is this concept difficult for you?

You’re twisting things but I can still sort it out.

So you acknowledge a message given to one group of people could actually be for another group of people 1000s of years later.
That's what I wanted you to acknowledge.
Thus the prophecies in Revelation concerning the beast which is destroyed at Christ's coming could be meant for the people who are persecuted by that beast even thousands of years after it was written just as the scripture written about the chosen people thousands of years ago.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The bad people in Jerusalem arose again and again murdered the men God had sent them, including the son of God. For this all the blood of the prophets from Abel to Zechariah was layed upon them and they were destroyed.

They were not destroyed. They were scatterd,and the children of those evil men dwell in the promised land today. They even study and practice the doctrines of the Pharisees in Israel today. They have even chosen a leader in place on the Lord as Samuel said they would.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You do not understand my position it seems. What you wrote is incorrect.

You have claimed the things in Revelation were already past, even though the beast is preparing to mark his subjects.
If you say those things are in the past, you shouldn't have any problem showing us in history books who marked who so that they could not buy or sell unless they recieved the mark of the beast.
Hindsight is 20/20.
If it already took place then we should be able to read about it in the writings of the churches.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You have claimed the things in Revelation were already past, even though the beast is preparing to mark his subjects.

What’s his name? Surely since you what he’s doing in private you do know his name!

If you say those things are in the past, you shouldn't have any problem showing us in history books who marked who so that they could not buy or sell unless they recieved the mark of the beast.

Oh, you are very unaware of ancient history aren’t you? There’s weren’t reporters documenting events in the ancient world. No photographers. No autobiographies with few exceptions. I suppose you think that since these are lacking, nothing happened right?

Hindsight is 20/20.
If it already took place then we should be able to read about it in the writings of the churches.

The churches didn’t write. But if you think they did, can you tell us what the churches wrote please?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So you acknowledge a message given to one group of people could actually be for another group of people 1000s of years later.
That's what I wanted you to acknowledge.
Thus the prophecies in Revelation concerning the beast which is destroyed at Christ's coming could be meant for the people who are persecuted by that beast even thousands of years after it was written just as the scripture written about the chosen people thousands of years ago.

You seem to be too unaware of the matter and offer really silly arguments.

 

[eddif]

The bad people in Jerusalem arose again and again murdered the men God had sent them, including the son of God. For this all the blood of the prophets from Abel to Zechariah was layed upon them and they were destroyed.

LOL
The good guys were gathered to be at Pentecost as righteous men from every nation under heaven.

eddif

 

[Shilohsfoal]

What’s his name? Surely since you what he’s doing in private you do know his name!

Oh, you are very unaware of ancient history aren’t you? There’s weren’t reporters documenting events in the ancient world. No photographers. No autobiographies with few exceptions. I suppose you think that since these are lacking, nothing happened right?

The churches didn’t write. But if you think they did, can you tell us what the churches wrote please?

You obviously havnt read anything written by members of the church such as John. The early church had many members who could both read and write.

As for the beast,who marks his subjects.

1 Samuel 8:17 - Samuel's Warning

He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.

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1 Samuel 8:18 - Samuel's Warning

When that day comes, you will beg for relief from the king you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you on that day.

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Not that you would understand it. You claim it had already happened but you don't know by whom or when. You know nothing.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

They were not destroyed.

They certainly were. Millions died. The city was a field for centuries. The temple religion was permanently destroyed. The tribe descendings are not known.

They were scatterd,and the children of those evil men dwell in the promised land today.

Most of the Jews today are not descendants of Abraham but converts from other races.

They even study and practice the doctrines of the Pharisees in Israel today. They have even chosen a leader in place on the Lord as Samuel said they would.

No they don’t. They can’t. The temple is gone and with it went all the religious rites and ceremonies.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

LOL
The good guys were gathered to be at Pentecost as righteous men from every nation under heaven.

eddif

Pentecost was 33AD. The destruction was 70 AD.

 

[eddif]

Pentecost was 33AD. The destruction was 70 AD.

Death of most rebellious people was the end of OT prophets. (400ish years before Jesus). Much like the flood took all but a remnant.

This same time of death was the time of the promise of putting (the law in hearts and minds of Israel and the nations) was given.

This hope was in the dispersed people for 400 years, before their return at Pentecost.

Jesus life took 33? years to accomplish the work of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

Pentecost was the arrival of power and dispersed people for the new birth of true Israel.

The gentile inclusion brought about the one new man.

70 AD took away the external temple. The second part of the destruction of perverted / backslid Israel.

The wheels within wheels turn and we tend not to see the divorce, the new heart and mind, the New Jerusalem appear. The tree of life on either side of the river is present but unseen. Open our eyes oh God.

Mississippi redneck
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[eddif]

They were not destroyed. They were scatterd,and the children of those evil men dwell in the promised land today. They even study and practice the doctrines of the Pharisees in Israel today. They have even chosen a leader in place on the Lord as Samuel said they would.

It really is hard to see the good seed planted by the Lord and the tares planted by the evil one

 

[Shilohsfoal]

They certainly were. Millions died. The city was a field for centuries. The temple religion was permanently destroyed. The tribe descendings are not known.

Most of the Jews today are not descendants of Abraham but converts from other races.

No they don’t. They can’t. The temple is gone and with it went all the religious rites and ceremonies.

The doctrins of the Pharisees had nothing to do with the temple. You act as though you've never heard of a synagogue. You know, the places Jesus taught in and where Jesus said his disciples would be.

Matthew 10:17 - Sheep among Wolves

But beware of men; for they will hand you over to their councils and flog you in their synagogues.

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Today's orthodox Judaism is derived from the Pharisees.

Pharisee | Definition, History, & Legacy | Britannica

Pharisee, member of a Jewish religious party that flourished in Palestine during the latter part of the Second Temple period. The Pharisees’ insistence on the binding force of oral tradition still remains a basic tenet of Jewish theological thought. Learn about the history of the Pharisees and...

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[Shilohsfoal]

It really is hard to see the good seed planted by the Lord and the tares planted by the evil one

It's not hard at all.

Those who deny christ are antichrist as John said. About 65 percent of Israel's population are atheist and deny the existence of God and Christ. 2 percent are Christian with the majority of those being Arab.
The rest are mostly antichrist who claim to be religious but deny Jesus is the christ.

The 2 percent is the good seed which Jesus planted.

 

[eddif]

Shilohsfoal

It is difficult for some to see the good seed planted by the Lord
And
The evil tares planted alongside.

Both growing up together till the harvest, when the tares are bundled to be burned first.

False doctrine with good doctrine and blindness to be overcome.

Not impossible but difficult.

eddif

 

[eddif]

It's not hard at all.

Those who deny christ are antichrist as John said. About 65 percent of Israel's population are atheist and deny the existence of God and Christ. 2 percent are Christian with the majority of those being Arab.
The rest are mostly antichrist who claim to be religious but deny Jesus is the christ.

The 2 percent is the good seed which Jesus planted.

Isaiah 19:24 kjv
24. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25. Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Very prophetic words,

eddif

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Shilohsfoal

It is difficult for some to see the good seed planted by the Lord
And
The evil tares planted alongside.

Both growing up together till the harvest, when the tares are bundled to be burned first.

False doctrine with good doctrine and blindness to be overcome.

Not impossible but difficult.

eddif

So you can't tell the difference between a christian who believes in Jesus and an antichrist who denies jesus is the christ?
For instance, many of the Pharisees denied Jesus was the christ. You can't tell by thier words coming from thier mouths what or who they are?

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Isaiah 19:24 kjv
24. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25. Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Very prophetic words,

eddif

Yes, these are they who believe in Jesus and are saved. After the beast is destroyed and the land promised to Abraham's seed is given to the seed of Abraham, then those who are saved will continue to dwell in it.
No one who denies christ will remain in the promised land. The promised land stretches from the euphrates to the Nile. 5 cities in Egypt today lay within the boundaries of the promised land.

Isaiah 19:18 - Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel

In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear allegiance to the LORD of Hosts. One of them will be called the City of the Sun.

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There wont be muslims or orthodox Jews allowed to remain in that kingdom.
Only those washed in the blood of the lamb will remain.

 

[eddif]

They certainly were. Millions died. The city was a field for centuries. The temple religion was permanently destroyed. The tribe descendings are not known.

Most of the Jews today are not descendants of Abraham but converts from other races.

No they don’t. They can’t. The temple is gone and with it went all the religious rites and ceremonies.

The true Jews and the proselytes that converted hearing those who mourned over the sins of Israel, were the righteous descendants at Pentecost.

eddif

 

[eddif]

for_his_glory
Too many threads with Revelation 1

I repent 1000 year only.

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[Dorothy Mae]

The true Jews and the proselytes that converted hearing those who mourned over the sins of Israel, were the righteous descendants at Pentecost.

eddif

Where do you get that information from and the destruction happened later anyway.