Revelation Chapter 20

[Guest]

what is the millennial saints means of atonement? you haven't told nor do I believe you can.

You assume a lot about people, as if you like playing with fire no? I must say, you're not really specific in your posts in what you're asking. If you want answers, be specific and stop assuming things. Means of atonement, ok what do you mean by that??? Be specific!!

 

[jasoncran]

repent.how does one repent in the millennium.

romans 10 style or via the mosaic law?with sin offerings or if the temple is gone then via prayer and ashes and sackcloth, or facing Jerusalem in said condition.

 

[Guest]

how does one repent in the millennium.

They repent in the second coming of Christ event. They see Jesus himself. I also notice that you're always asking the questions but never correcting us. If you know more than us, then prove it.

 

[lowrab777]

Is this certain description of the people that deny God and die when they see the kingdom come perhaps in the earthquake. Or at their death bed

It is of interest to me that the words standing here standingG2476 here,G5602 could possibly mean apointed here
standingG2476=
G2476
ἵστημι
histēmi
his'-tay-mee
A prolonged form of a primary word στάω staō (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively): - abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare G5087.
G5602
ὧδε
hōde
ho'-deh
From an adverb form of G3592; in this same spot, that is, here or hither: - here, hither, (in) this place, there.

 

[reba]

How many times have we sang
'Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus,
and to take him at his word;
just to rest upon his promise,
and to know, "Thus saith the Lord."

This is why I moderate and don't often post.... There is a big difference between us fitting our thoughts into His Word or making His word fit our thoughts... Back to moderating

 

[jasoncran]

ok then why then aren't they part of the church? somehow these sinner deny him coming back and when he does he doesn't kill them despite the myriads of warnings of repent before I come for when I do its for them without sin.


I don't see a second chance once Christ appears.

do you see it in Mathew 25

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal

do you see any chance for any lost person to repent after he comes back? I don't. that is my point once jesus returns that's it

then theres matthew 13

beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

if there are souls to be harvested then theres also tares with the wheat. that is why I don't buy any millennium because just as you said they believe in him when he comes and yet jesus told what to the Thomas? blessed are they believe and not have seen!

 

[lowrab777]

here, as in those that first heard the statement.

or do you believe here as in here where im at or your locale?

It is of interest to me that the words standing here standingG2476 here,G5602 could possibly mean apointed here
standingG2476=
G2476
ἵστημι
histēmi
his'-tay-mee
A prolonged form of a primary word στάω staō (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively): - abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare G5087.
G5602
ὧδε
hōde
ho'-deh
From an adverb form of G3592; in this same spot, that is, here or hither: - here, hither, (in) this place, there.

 

[jasoncran]

nevermind that when the bible says that they are in Christ at his coming will be caught away. and that it also says that we ought to be worthy of that.
one thessalonians 5

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

so then when he comes theres this exception to the above in 2 thessalonians?

 

[lowrab777]

word studies have been more revealing to me than almost any commentary I have ever read on any subject. There are mistranslations in the bible that is why we have so many different versions you do the best you can with what you got.

 

[jasoncran]

here as in where. btw reba. since we believe the same and barnes was before the idea of schofield.


http://www.studylight.org/com/bnb/view.cgi?bk=52&ch=2

note verse 3.

hmm thus once again showing us how much we don't know.

 

[Guest]

Is this certain description of the people that deny God and die when they see the kingdom come perhaps in the earthquake. Or at their death bed

If you're not baptized in the Holy Spirit while you're still alive in your life that you're living now and you die, then hell awaits you. I think some will repent when they see Jesus himself come back to earth. Maybe we can find scripture to prove repentance during his second coming.

ok then why then aren't they part of the church? somehow these sinner deny him coming back and when he does he doesn't kill them despite the myriads of warnings of repent before I come for when I do its for them without sin.

I don't see a second chance once Christ appears.

do you see any chance for any lost person to repent after he comes back? I don't. that is my point once jesus returns that's it. blessed are they believe and not have seen!

That's a really good question, maybe someone can find scripture that says that people can still repent when Christ appears. Now we're communicating because you're being specific, very good. I just assumed God loves everyone and will give everyone a chance. Will God hold it against them that they were born at the end of the world?

 

[lowrab777]

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isa 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
Isa 11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
Isa 11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
Isa 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

 

[lowrab777]

Zec 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zec 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
Zec 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
Zec 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
Zec 13:5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
Zec 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Zec 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

 

[Guest]

word studies have been more revealing to me than almost any commentary I have ever read on any subject. There are mistranslations in the bible that is why we have so many different versions you do the best you can with what you got.

true true, haha, we have many versions because man has created many versions. but you know what?

there is only one God, and he is beautiful!!

 

[jasoncran]

If you're not baptized in the Holy Spirit while you're still alive in your life that you're living now and you die, then hell awaits you. I think some will repent when they see Jesus himself come back to earth. Maybe we can find scripture to prove repentance during his second coming.



That's a really good question, maybe someone can find scripture that says that people can still repent when Christ appears. Now we're communicating because you're being specific, very good. I just assumed God loves everyone and will give everyone a chance. Will God hold it against them that they were born at the end of the world?

well then I guess he cant ever judge the world, as in the end of the millennium there will be babies alive too. will he then just let them in or not?

 

[Guest]

well then I guess he cant ever judge the world, as in the end of the millennium there will be babies alive too. will he then just let them in or not?

the age of accountability is 20, from what i've heard.

 

[jasoncran]

yes but he judged the world and slew babies in the flood, and its really 13 in jewry. 20 is possible but most jews per the Talmudic idea of the bar and bat mitzvahs the age of accountability since they have reach puberty and aslo have recited the torah in Hebrew.

 

[lowrab777]

If you're not baptized in the Holy Spirit while you're still alive in your life that you're living now and you die, then hell awaits you. I think some will repent when they see Jesus himself come back to earth. Maybe we can find scripture to prove repentance during his second coming.

Zec 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zec 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.