Revelation Chapter 20

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I do believe the trumpet sounding is a battle cry, it is the sound of war
Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
 
the dead that are in hades donot rise until the second resurection the dead that are under the alter i believe are with Christ at his coming the ones under the alter get to take pert in the first resurection the ones that are in hades remain asleep until the second resurection. At least that what I thought I read
 
lowrab777 said:
Wow I really felt like Rev 11:12 was talking about the two witnesses ascending after their dead boies lay in the street for 3 1/2 days. At least thats what I just read. :yes
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I think you might be right, the two prophets. Why were the two prophets left behind, not taken up by rapture. Is 1 Thessalonians 4:17 speaking about events before the tribulation?
 
I think believe that when the two witnesses are taken up that is the so called rapture and the mystery of the rapture will no longer be questionable it will be evident by the entire world, no more guessing, no longer a mystery
Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then is finished the mystery of God, according to the good tidings which he declared to his servants the prophets.
 
lowrab777 said:
I think believe that when the two witnesses are taken up that is the so called rapture and the mystery of the rapture will no longer be questionable it will be evident by the entire world, no more guessing, no longer a mystery
Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then is finished the mystery of God, according to the good tidings which he declared to his servants the prophets.
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I just would like to confirm if I'm reading scripture right. What you're saying is that all Christians that are alive will be caught up in rapture except only two prophets that are left behind. Who are these two brave prophets that scripture speaks of?? Blessings. :o

According to the text, the two witnesses are symbolised as the "two olive trees and the two lampstands" that have the power to destroy their enemies, control the weather and cause plagues.[2] Their description as "two olive trees and two lampstands" may be symbolism, allegory, or literal.[3] Some theologians believe that the two olive trees represent the peace that the witnesses try to bring to the sinful Earth and the two lampstands represent the light that they shine for Christ.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_witnesses
 
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urk said:
I just would like to confirm if I'm reading scripture right. What you're saying is that all Christians that are alive will be caught up in rapture except only two prophets that are left behind. Who are these two brave prophets that scripture speaks of?? Blessings. :o

According to the text, the two witnesses are symbolised as the "two olive trees and the two lampstands" that have the power to destroy their enemies, control the weather and cause plagues.[2] Their description as "two olive trees and two lampstands" may be symbolism, allegory, or literal.[3] Some theologians believe that the two olive trees represent the peace that the witnesses try to bring to the sinful Earth and the two lampstands represent the light that they shine for Christ.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_witnesses
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Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
No.. I'll try make this clear as to what I am saying, "I think believe that when the two witnesses are taken up that is the so called rapture and the mystery of the rapture will no longer be questionable it will be evident by the entire world, no more guessing, no longer a mystery.I do feel like at that point the rest that remain alive will also ascend and at that moment the mystery of God will no longer be a mystery because every body thats left on the earth will see it happen
Rev 11:13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
the last trumpet is blown and all who are left will know that it is in fact Jesus Christ coming on the clouds. Then the great tribulation will be certain. And the whole world will no longer view the prophecies as mysterious but as a reatlity. The mystery will have been revealed.I think the MYSTERY/RAPTURE as it is nickmaned are the same.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 
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Who ever the two witnesses are I believe they are prophecying at a time when there are not many left who wont go through tribulation. that is to say that they are going to be of the few or possibly the only two protected christians that are alive at that point.
It is hard for me to imagine that there will be any true Christians left.
It is significant I think that you will read they too are killed and the whole world will rejoice over their deaths and even send gifts to one another. It seems to me it will be a world united in victory and celebration as the beast power boasts of its success and authority.

I know I dont want to be around when that is going on even if that means I should killed before it happens. I do believe that some of us will be tested even unto death as scripture speaks of, and those of us who may have to fight with weapons must also be killed by weapons.as the scripture says.Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
 
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urk said:
Because God is God and he makes the rules. As I see it, a born again saint that's still alive will be raptured before tribulation.
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then you have no support. where does it say that the idea of the blood and its effectiveness over the temple and the mosaic law is rejected?

Hebrews says that the cross is very much the better way to atone.that is why I left futurism. it appears to be another gospel.
 
lowrab777 said:
No.. I'll try make this clear as to what I am saying, "I think believe that when the two witnesses are taken up that is the so called rapture and the mystery of the rapture will no longer be questionable it will be evident by the entire world, no more guessing, no longer a mystery.I do feel like at that point the rest that remain alive will also ascend and at that moment the mystery of God will no longer be a mystery because every body thats left on the earth will see it happen
Rev 11:13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
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Blessings, I agree with you that the witnesses are a part of the mystery revealed. I would like to look at Revelation 11:13. Does this mean that unbelievers at this point of being affrighted, they will suddenly be saved beause they believe?

jasoncran said:
then you have no support. where does it say that the idea of the blood and its effectiveness over the temple and the mosaic law is rejected?

Hebrews says that the cross is very much the better way to atone.that is why I left futurism. it appears to be another gospel.
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No support for what? No condemnation? Following the law of Moses and following Christ are two separate things. Are you a pharisee or a born again Christian? It is a fact that there is no more condemnation for sins in a born again Christian. Romans 8:1
 
reba said:
I am amazed at how little the Words of Jesus figure into man's revelation of Scripture....
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considering this is my first end times thread, i think i'm doing pretty good. watcha think. :D
 
what is the millennial saints means of atonement? you haven't told nor do I believe you can.
 
lowrab777 said:
what is your revelation? Im curious as to what you mean by that.
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He is the Resurrection He is The Life His Kingdom is with out end.

Jesus says 'this' and mankind says no He said 'that'

Jesus says the resurrection is the last day man says no

He says we are the temple folks get all excited about some one building a building

He gave His Blood some folks are hoping for a red heifer

How long was His earthly ministry?

He said
Luk 9:27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

And men tell me that is not what He really meant...


I would not say 'My revelation" More like my question



How many times have we sang
'Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus,
and to take him at his word;
just to rest upon his promise,
and to know, "Thus saith the Lord."
 
I don't get it either. of course I have learned that many of the futurists that post here don't really know the arguments as well as some I have met and have challenged me.
 
so they will die when they see the son of man coming in his kingdom
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
 
here, as in those that first heard the statement.

or do you believe here as in here where im at or your locale?
 
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