Russia and Israel, now what?

[miamited]

The people of GOD as a whole MUST be prepared much more from now on, because day by day will happen
imaginable things in the world of Devil, there will be strong chastisements, it will be terrible, very terrible. Except these days to come should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake the days shall be shortened.

For now, we have just entered the beginning of suffering period, in the beginning of sorrows.

So we must get ready to face the worst.

Hi Oseas

Right. Jesus warned us there were days coming that would be worse than they ever had been before or ever will be. Now we all know that historically, the world has seen some pretty bad times, but yes, it's going to get worse. But there's nothing we can do about it, and there's nothing that God wants us to do about it, except to possibly use that information to reach others with the love of God that is there for them, through Jesus, the Christ, our Lord.

As for our having just entered the beginning of suffering...I'm not sure we are there yet. I believe that we are still living in the days of God's patience.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Oseas]

I was wondering, is God in control of what you say and do? If He isn’t (micro) managing your hands ns tongue, how is He (micro) managing to control the whole world? Just think about it.

Even the very hairs of my head are all numbered. GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens. If you ever or someday come to know my GOD , then you'll understand.

 

[Oseas]

No one can either confirm or deny, with any provable assurance, that God did or didn't raise up Adoph Hitler for the work he did in murdering God's people.

For those of us who know the Word of God, we can clearly say that nothing happened by chance to the Jews, descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob. By the way, it was God who pre-determined that Jacob beget 12 children, no more, no less.

Regarding what happened to them in the persecution of the WWII imposed by Hitler, it is written in Deuteronomy 28:15 to 68, i.e. 53 verses of severe chastisements, and plagues, and curses, against Israel. Actually, since this chapter was written by Moses, Israel has been suffering these punishments that were written over time, and the worst will be now at the end of the world, and only 144,000 will be saved, 12.000 from each tribe. Terrible, very terrible.

But God's word, if we read the warnings He gave them for their disobedience, does paint a pretty clear picture that the Jews would be scattered all over the face of the earth and that they would be a stench unto all those nations that they went to. God's word does say that!

That's true, we know that Israel was destroyed by Romans in 70AD, and they were scattered around the earth from 70AD until 1948AD, 1878 years of severe chastisements according Deuteronomy 28:15 to 68. In consequence of persecution in the WWII, GOD forced their returning to their land in fulfillment of future prophecies as are written in John 5:43-47, and Revelation 13:11, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to 12, and Ezekiel 21:25, and Daniel 9:26, among other biblical references.

 

[miamited]

Hi Oseas,

For those of us who know the Word of God, we can clearly say that nothing happened by chance to the Jews, descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob. By the way, it was God who pre-determined that Jacob beget 12 children, no more, no less.

I agree with all of that. But you have to make it sound like you're superior in your understanding than I am. Look buddy...grow up!

That's exactly what I've been saying about the Jews killed in Germany, et.al.

However, you cannot physically prove with any Scriptural evidence, other than God saying that He protects and disciplines His people, the link between the pogrom of the Jews in Germany and God
.
You think of yourself to be a very wise person, but you honestly don't seem to have very good comprehension of what people are saying. You keep writing as if I'm in error about something and then repeat exactly what you seem to want to say I'm in error about. This is twice now.

God bless you.
Ted

 

[Oseas]

As for our having just entered the beginning of suffering...I'm not sure we are there yet. ...

STILL IN PERPLEXITY ABOUT FUTURE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE, THE DISCIPLES MADE A QUESTION TO JESUS ABOUT THREE THINGS:

1st) Matthew 24:v.3 - Tell us, when shall these things be?
Then JESUS went to the Mount of Olives, and there the disciples still perplex with the destination of the Temple of Jerusalem according JESUS had spoken,
then they asked more two important things to the Lord JESUS, saying privately: Matthew 24:v.3 -

(2) What shall be the sign of thy coming?,

(3) and of the END of the world?

Well, the testimomy of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy. So He LISTED several events linked (1) to His coming and (2) to the END of this world-the current Devil's world-, as follow:

Matthew 24:v.4 to 8 -
JESUS SAID TO THE DISCIPLES, AND FOR US TOO, HOW WOULD BE THE START OF THE END TIMES;
JESUS LISTED SEVERAL HAPPENINGS AND THE BEGINNING OF THE SORROWS -

v.4 And Jesus answered and said unto His disciples:
- Take heed that no man deceive you. (this was the first concerns of JESUS). It seems that many have not kept the warning of JESUS and are being deceived by false and devilish theories spread in the world mainly through internet.

JESUS said: veses 5 to 8

v.5 - For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Soon will manifest the Beast of the earth who has two horns like a lamb, actually a false lamb, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, as said JESUS -John 5:v.43 combined with Revelation 13:v.11-18. Check it out).

v.6 - And ye shall hear of wars and RUMOURS of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet.
v.7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, ...: (Will be G7, and G20, and EU, and UNO, among others Entities, DISSOLVED from now on? Day after day, the happenings of the current satanic World will run in this way /according 2 Peter 3:v.7 and Revelation 11:v.18 and Micah 4:v.3).

... and there shall be: - (the prophecies are already fulfilling literally)

- famines; - this is literally being fulfilled in this current time;
- and pestilences - this is literally being fulfilled in this current time;
- and earthquakes, in divers places. - several of them ;

But,

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

We must be ready, the worst is to come from now on, even the establishment, the foundation, by Satan, the son of perdition, MAN of sin, of the fifth satanic Universal Empire, the Antichrist's Empire.

GET READY. THE 5th UNIVERSAL AND SATANIC KINGDOM, THE ANTICHRIST's KINGDOM, IT WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE EARTH FROM NOW ON - Daniel 2:v.41-45

GET READY. THE 5th UNIVERSAL AND SATANIC KINGDOM, THE ANTICHRIST's KINGDOM, IT WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE EARTH FROM NOW ON - Daniel 2:v.41-45 Indeed there are billions of years behind us, an Eternity, and now another year is going into Eternity, gone forever, never to be, bye bye 2022. Let...

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[Oseas]

I agree with all of that. But you have to make it sound like you're superior in your understanding than I am. Look buddy...grow up!

That's exactly what I've been saying about the Jews killed in Germany, et.al.

You misunderstood me. I just confirmed what you have said, sometimes with some complement, never in the sense of superiority as you are saying. What's that? Don't you know or don't discern the manifestation of the Holy Spirit yet?

 

[miamited]

Hi Oseas,

Sorry if I misread your intent, but...

No one can either confirm or deny, with any provable assurance, that God did or didn't raise up Adoph Hitler for the work he did in murdering God's people.

For those of us who know the Word of God,

When you capitalize 'Word' many take that as a reference to Jesus. It's one of the reasons I always use the term 'Scriptures' when referring to the word of God. So, in your statement, and I agree that tone and tenor are tough to discern in this communication medium, it came across to me as sounding like you were implying that I might not know Jesus.

However, I'm willing to accept that I may have been wrong. I'm sorry if my response caused you a problem, if it did, because of that.

So, the final understanding is that you and I are in agreement on this issue.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Even the very hairs of my head are all numbered. GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens. If you ever or someday come to know my GOD , then you'll understand.

God knowing HOW MANY (or how few) hairs you doesn’t mean He is supervising baldness. That is, God KNOWING information doesn’t mean God is making all humans choose to comb them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The key to the interpretation of what GOD is already doing among the nations all over the world, in fulfillment of the prophecies, of course, it is in the WORD - " be DISSOLVED" - something similar to the fall of the World Trade Center.

Then the CHAOS of the whole world will force the MANIFESTATION of a false messiah in LITERAL fulfillment of John 5:43-47, and Revelation 13:11, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to 12, and Ezekiel 21:25, and Daniel 9:26, among other biblical references. But Satan, the son of perdition as God, will TRY to save his satanic world establishing his fifth devilish Empire, the Antichrist Empire, in partnership with the Beast of sea, the current Gentile Beast.

On the other hand, while the Devil's world is dissolved and destroyed, the KINGDOM of GOD will be/is established in fulfillment of Revelation 11:15-18:
15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
...

1 Corinthians 15:24-27
24 The END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Get ready

A description of that eschatology (futurist) as succinct as one could wish. My opinion is it is full of holes but that’s just my view. It’s also pretty depressing, but again my impression.

I do agree that God does work in ways with nations that lead to their loss of power when it is just. So on this I agree with you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

HI Dorothy Mae

Sure. I've never advocated that God micromanages the affairs of the whole world. But God warned Israel. that He would bring about the consequences of their disobedience and rebellion. So, when it comes to the matters for which God has already told us that He is doing, that He is in 'micromanage' mode, regarding those events. Just as Jesus being born in Bethlehem...God controlled the activities and events that led to that particular piece of prophecy being fulfilled as it was.

Just as God worked with Pharoah's heart in Egypt, I'm confident that it was Him who caused Quirinius to call for that census 'when' he did.

Well, come on. You're the one that brought up Cambodia...not me! If it's besides the point; why did you bring it into the discussion?

No, I am speaking of God and His intent and purposes upon the earth. I've read the Scriptures through a number of times and if you stand back from and consider the entire work from beginning to end, well, I think you'll find that the Scriptures give us an insight into all of world events and history, as it applies to God working in the lives and futures of mankind.

Well, I'm sorry, but you and I have a far different understanding of 'how' God is still working through the Jewish nation. In fact, their revival as a nation in 1948 is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. So God is still working with His people even in our day.

I assume you're referring to the deaths in all of the battles of war, but 6 million peaceable men women and children were murdered outside of the wages of war.

God bless,
Ted

Hi Ted,

Yes there are a few times in human history where we know God arranged the affairs of man although usually towards the establishment of a people for Himself as in Pharaoh and Israel and Bethlehem. These do not indicate He raised up Hitler or Pol Pot. It’s a grave mistake to assign Him that responsibility although I think you aren’t doing this.

The people rounded up by the Nazis weren’t just Jews and he didn’t start with them. He started with the handicapped (Germans) and chronically ill (Germans) and communists (Germans) and such groups of whom we haven’t a number. The Jews just have a bigger libby to keep reminding us. The Russian communists killed way more than the Nazis but they haven’t the funds to keep reminding us.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The people of GOD as a whole MUST be prepared much more from now on, because day by day will happen
imaginable things in the world of Devil, there will be strong chastisements, it will be terrible, very terrible. Except these days to come should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake the days shall be shortened.

For now, we have just entered the beginning of suffering period, in the beginning of sorrows.

So we must get ready to face the worst.

I’m so glad that’s not my eschatology. But take heart, FIRST a temple needs to be built and they don’t even have the ground to build on. So the beginnings of this are still a long way off.

 

[miamited]

Hi Dorothy Mae

Yes there are a few times in human history where we know God arranged the affairs of man although usually towards the establishment of a people for Himself as in Pharaoh and Israel and Bethlehem. These do not indicate He raised up Hitler or Pol Pot. It’s a grave mistake to assign Him that responsibility although I think you aren’t doing this.

That's right! I'm glad we're in agreement on this. I'm not really sure what you mean to say, that,

God arranged the affairs of man although usually towards the establishment of a people for Himself as in Pharaoh and Israel and Bethlehem.

When you say 'usually', do you define that as a 'definite always', because when I use the term 'usually' I mean to intend that there are other ways that something is done, but that the most regular ways is...

These do not indicate He raised up Hitler or Pol Pot.

Well, no what God has regularly done in the past would never indicate that He might also do similar things at some other time. Good box though. Very strong and I'm pretty sure that God won't be able to get out of it.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy Mae

That's right! I'm glad we're in agreement on this. I'm not really sure what you mean to say, that,


When you say 'usually', do you define that as a 'definite always', because when I use the term 'usually' I mean to intend that there are other ways that something is done, but that the most regular ways is...

Well, no what God has regularly done in the past would never indicate that He might also do similar things at some other time. Good box though. Very strong and I'm pretty sure that God won't be able to get out of it.

God bless,
Ted

If we look at the times we KNOW God directed nations, they are in line with His redemption plan. Israel was punished or preserved. Sometimes he wiped out extremely evil people because their sin was too great. That’s what I meant by usual. There are other reasons as well but these are usually because of their moral choices.

I actually think His ways are very consistent and what He does in the indicates what He’ll do in the future. It’s how we come to know His ways.

 

[Oseas]

Hi Oseas,

Sorry if I misread your intent, but...
For those of us who know the Word of God,
When you capitalize 'Word' many take that as a reference to Jesus. It's one of the reasons I always use the term 'Scriptures' when referring to the word of God.

By the Word of GOD I must confirm as I believe and understand that the Holy Scripture is the Word of GOD, no difference. Even the Word of GOD says the Word is GOD-John 1:1. So, I preach that literally.
The Word of GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

So, in your statement, and I agree that tone and tenor are tough to discern in this communication medium, it came across to me as sounding like you were implying that I might not know Jesus.
However, I'm willing to accept that I may have been wrong. I'm sorry if my response caused you a problem, if it did, because of that.
So, the final understanding is that you and I are in agreement on this issue.
God bless,
Ted

It was strange, I didn't even think you know not JESUS, or in that way, on the contrary, I had appreciated your posts. In fact, it was hard for me to understand your agressive reply once I was thinking the best of you , through your posts and biblical interpretations in the analized point .

 

[Oseas]

God knowing HOW MANY (or how few) hairs you doesn’t mean He is supervising baldness. That is, God KNOWING information doesn’t mean God is making all humans choose to comb them.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.
The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:

 

[Oseas]

A description of that eschatology (futurist) as succinct as one could wish. My opinion is it is full of holes but that’s just my view. It’s also pretty depressing, but again my impression.

Of course, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.
The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:

It would be better not to attack me personally. For one, it is not something the Holy Spirit in you approves of and second, it is an indication that you are losing the exchange. And thirdly, it is not true.

Now, Jesus said that eternal life is to know, that is UNDERSTAND God. Jeremiah said that we can boast of understanding God. The often misquoted verse in Isaiah about our thoughts not being his refers SOLELY to the wicked. The righteous man DOES understand the thoughts of God and in fact, such men WROTE THE BIBLE. One thing we can say with confidence is that the mend who wrote the scriptures had received the things of the Spirit of God and saw (understood) these things from the same perspective that God did including their human mind, which, by the way, God made and saw as good. As such, I have the mind of Christ on some matters.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Of course, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective.

No, I have the mind of Christ. I know you have been taught that we cannot understand God. This is very common among clergy who do not, in fact, understand God. The reason is understanding God requires something of us and it is the pearl of great price which does, in fact, require a man to "sell" many things valuable to him (his wrong but preferable opinion) in order to buy that truth. So they remain in the dark and tell others that we are all in the dark obout God.

However, the Bible says we (can) have the mind of Christ. What does that mean? It means our thoughts match his or can. We are told to love God with our mind. This cannot occur unless the mind understands God. And I can personally testify that I do understand God and understanding Him generates a powerful love for Him. He is of such a character that knowing Him results in loving Him.

God made that "human perspective" and is prepared to teach us how He sees things so that our minds are conformed to the mind of Christ (God.) It is a wonderful adventure but it is costly.

 

[Oseas]

I’m so glad that’s not my eschatology. But take heart, FIRST a temple needs to be built and they don’t even have the ground to build on. So the beginnings of this are still a long way off.

There will not be build any Temple, but never. The preaching of build a third Temple is a devilish fake.

Will the Jews build a Third Temple?
No.

#4Oseas3, Feb 9, 2020
https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/will-the-jews-build-a-third-temple.114895/

 

[Oseas]

It would be better not to attack me personally. For one, it is not something the Holy Spirit in you approves of and second, it is an indication that you are losing the exchange. And thirdly, it is not true.

Now, Jesus said that eternal life is to know, that is UNDERSTAND God. Jeremiah said that we can boast of understanding God. The often misquoted verse in Isaiah about our thoughts not being his refers SOLELY to the wicked. The righteous man DOES understand the thoughts of God and in fact, such men WROTE THE BIBLE. One thing we can say with confidence is that the mend who wrote the scriptures had received the things of the Spirit of God and saw (understood) these things from the same perspective that God did including their human mind, which, by the way, God made and saw as good. As such, I have the mind of Christ on some matters.

JESUS said: No man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. It's that.