Sabbath Day business

[ezrider]

If you keep deciding for me that I'm thinking this way, or another, you're not going to understand what I believe about the law of Moses. That's part of that power of indoctrinations thing I've been talking about. You have to stop assuming what my argument is and actually listen to what I'm saying. I know, it's going to be a tall order for you, not because I know more than you about what's inside of you, but because you've already demonstrated that to me.

I am not deciding what you are thinking, I am telling you what I hear you saying. There is quite the difference there, You would do well to think upon that. But you see Jethro, I am not a child born into the Wilderness. I am born into the Kingdom of my Father, so I am not subject to your laws of the wilderness. He has instructed me in the Righteousness of His way. He has given to us instruction on how to live in his kingdom. The laws of the wilderness are not subject to the laws of His Kingdom; But the laws of the wilderness still rule over those not yet Born into His Kingdom.

Now get this, because I am a child of the kingdom, the laws of the wilderness mean nothing to me. And my companion, the Spirit of my Beloved, he has told me that when I am in the wilderness, if I continue to abide by the rules of his kingdom, then all will be good with me. But he has left me with a little insurance package. You see, my Father is very powerful and influential, and when I find myself an ambassador in a foreign land, He has assured me that he has negotiated a deal, and that I should have no worries, because I have been given full diplomatic immunity as a Son of the Kingdom of the Most High wandering as a stranger in the wilderness.


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[JLB]

Well of course that's all it says when you isolate the words all by themselves.

The Bible also says, "for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. " (Romans 2:13 NASB). Does that mean isolating these words all by themselves means that Paul was saying a man is justified by keeping the law? Of course not. Even you are going to argue that one must examine the context to know the actual argument he is making.

7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while herhusband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. Romans 7:1-6

The context is to those, to whom the law pertained. vs 1

4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ...

Dead to the law...

Delivered from the law...

Redeemed from the law...

Yet your doctrine obligates Gentile Christians to the the law of Moses; a law they were never given, even those who were under the law, have been redeemed from the law and are dead to the law, being delivered from the law... 2


JLB

 

[Tony Hyman]

Thanks for verifying my words Tony. You treat me even worse than the Christians I mentioned. You apply a verse to me that refers to unbelievers who don't accept the Gospel and will be judged worse than Sodom and Gomorrha. Why? I believe the answer is fear. Christians are so indoctrinated into believing that if you obey the Sabbath command, you are fallen from grace and in bondage to the law. How sad. Obeying our Creator's law maintains the freedom from sin that our Savior died for. If you believe it is OK to continue in the same sins your Savior died to deliver you from, then so be it. I, however, will not "wipe the dust off my feet and move on." I am here for you whenever the Almighty chooses to open your eyes.

I believe my eyes are open to learn the will of God but "You then , why do you judge your brother ? ...look down on him ?For we all stand before God's judgement seat."(Rom.10:10) To blow me out of the ball park with Rhetoric is no great challenge, it's Christ you must convince.He decides who is right or wrong.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Now back to your vomit!

Thank you 'friend', 'brother', 'neighbor'.

What the chuckle is, you don't even know what I think about the law of Moses. So far you have not been any different than most people who argue against the law--you instantly think those who don't agree with your view of the law is saying we have to keep the law of Moses. How very, very wrong you are about me.

 

[ezrider]

Thank you 'friend', 'brother', 'neighbor'.

What the chuckle is, you don't even know what I think about the law of Moses. So far you have not been any different than most people who argue against the law--you instantly think those who don't agree with your view of the law is saying we have to keep the law of Moses. How very, very wrong you are about me.

Let me ask this of you a different way. What do you think about Muslims who grew up in this country or are coming into this country (The Great Satan for those in Iran :biggrin ) and trying to set up or establish Sharia Law above our "sacred" (pun intended) constitution.

What is your opinion on that?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Let me ask this of you a different way. What do you think about Muslims who grew up in this country or are coming into this country (The Great Satan for those in Iran :biggrin ) and trying to set up or establish Sharia Law above our "sacred" (pun intended) constitution.

What is your opinion on that?

You seem to be confirming my suspicions about what you think my view of the law of Moses is. But I will answer your current events question as if it is just that--a curious matter of current events that has nothing to do with what I actually think about the law of Moses. And what I think is they will not succeed in peacefully convincing Americans to accept their religious law.

 

[ezrider]

You seem to be confirming my suspicions about what you think my view of the law of Moses is. But I will answer your current events question as if it is just that--a curious matter of current events that has nothing to do with what I think about the law of Moses. And what I think is they will not succeed in peacefully convincing Americans to accept their religious law.

And why won't they succeed in "peacefully" convincing Americans?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

And why won't they succeed in "peacefully" convincing Americans?

They simply won't want to do it.

 

[ezrider]

They simply won't want to do it.

Why? Got to give me a better answer than that.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Why? Got to give me a better answer than that.

Well, as examples, Americans would not want to be told to only eat meat sacrificed to Allah. And Americans would not accept cutting off the right hand of a thief as a fitting punishment for stealing.

 

[ezrider]

Well, as examples, Americans would not want to be told to only eat meat sacrificed to Allah. And Americans would not accept cutting off the right hand of a thief as a fitting punishment for stealing.

Okay, you given me examples. So with those examples, why won't Americans accept cutting off the right hand of a thief. Why won't they accept that, but at the same make excuses as to why unarmed black people are being gunned down without the privilege of Justice before the courts of the land.

Why won't you accept living according to their law (Sharia that is, so as to not confuse the conversation for any one)?

Oh, and in case anyone else may be follow along. I am not trying to get Jethro to submit to Sharia Law. No. I am trying to make a point that he does not have the answer to, and seems quite unwilling to go looking for it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Okay, you given me examples. So with those examples, why won't Americans accept cutting off the right hand of a thief. Why won't they accept that, but at the same make excuses as to why unarmed black people are being gunned down without the privilege of Justice before the courts of the land.

Americans do not accept or endorse that happening.

Why won't you accept living according to their law (Sharia that is, so as to not confuse the conversation for any one)?

I don't believe Allah is the true God.

Truthfully, I'm not really interested in a conversation about Sharia law. If you want to talk about the Law of Moses and how it relates to Christianity I'd have more interest...and more to say about it. I really don't give a flip about Sharia law.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

why won't Americans accept cutting off the right hand of a thief.

Because as I said, it is a punishment that is not fitting the crime.

 

[jocor]

Yes since the 1000 years are the 7th Sabbath rest, so it is a continual Sabbath Day of rest.
JLB

The millennium as a whole is a Sabbath rest. However, the weekly Sabbath will continue to be kept during the greater Sabbath as will new moons. It is not until the end of the 1,000 years that the weekly rest will be totally fulfilled. Each Sabbath is separated by six work days and each new moon by 29/30 days. This will literally be continued in the millennium.

 

[ezrider]

Americans do not accept or endorse that happening.


I don't believe Allah is the true God.

Truthfully, I'm not really interested in a conversation about Sharia law. If you want to talk about the Law of Moses and how it relates to Christianity I'd have more interest...and more to say about it. I really don't give a flip about Sharia law.

I am talking to you about the Law of Mose and how it relates to Christianity. You just can't seem to humble yourself enough to receive it. That is sad. It truly is.

I have not given you one point of Sharia Law, all I have done is take you out of the scriptures to teach you a lesson about the Bible, but because I have taken you away from the Bible with these questions, they make you uncomfortable because you do not have an answer for them, and I have taken away the ability of you to quote the scripture as your answer to a question about Sharia Law and the Constitution of this country, even though the application is for how the law of Moses relates to Christianity.

And so I shall talk with my Rock. In the mean time. Consider the lilies of the field, for they neither toil nor spin. Consider the sparrows.......

 

[ezrider]

The millennium as a whole is a Sabbath rest. However, the weekly Sabbath will continue to be kept during the greater Sabbath as will new moons. It is not until the end of the 1,000 years that the weekly rest will be totally fulfilled. Each Sabbath is separated by six work days and each new moon by 29/30 days. This will literally be continued in the millennium.

My dad was a farmer, but I did not stay. So what shall I do in your millennium. The farm is now gone, so how shall I bring a calf for your sacrifice?

 

[JLB]

Of course I do not believe "Jesus is YHWH". That has no bearing on a law discussion. And you know full well that this forum forbids me from discussing my belief that the Son is not Father YHWH. Yet you persist in trying to drag me into such a discussion. Why? Is it so I can get thrown off the forum?

It also does not matter what Messianic Jews believe. I am not a Messianic Jew. Also, they, like Christians, are not immune to false doctrine.

If you could answer the question I asked it would clear up a lot of misconception about what you are teaching on this Forum.

So if Jesus is not the Lord of the Old Testament (YHWH), then is He;

A man only?

An angel?

JLB

 

[jocor]

I am not deciding what you are thinking, I am telling you what I hear you saying. There is quite the difference there, You would do well to think upon that. But you see Jethro, I am not a child born into the Wilderness. I am born into the Kingdom of my Father, so I am not subject to your laws of the wilderness. He has instructed me in the Righteousness of His way. He has given to us instruction on how to live in his kingdom. The laws of the wilderness are not subject to the laws of His Kingdom; But the laws of the wilderness still rule over those not yet Born into His Kingdom.

Now get this, because I am a child of the kingdom, the laws of the wilderness mean nothing to me. And my companion, the Spirit of my Beloved, he has told me that when I am in the wilderness, if I continue to abide by the rules of his kingdom, then all will be good with me. But he has left me with a little insurance package. You see, my Father is very powerful and influential, and when I find myself an ambassador in a foreign land, He has assured me that he has negotiated a deal, and that I should have no worries, because I have been given full diplomatic immunity as a Son of the Kingdom of the Most High wandering as a stranger in the wilderness.
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While Israel wandered in the wilderness, they were a "kingdom" and Yahweh was their King until they wanted an earthly king.

Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

1Sa 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto YHWH.
1Sa 8:7 And YHWH said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
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During their wilderness journey, Yahweh commanded them to keep the 7th day Sabbath. After they entered the promised land, even under the reign of Solomon when Israel was in their glory, they were still commanded to keep the Sabbath. These are types and examples for us to keep the Sabbath day holy now, in our wilderness journey and throughout the millennial Kingdom as Isaiah 66:22-23 shows.

If we truly have "diplomatic immunity" now in our wilderness journey, then we would not be warned against the sins of idolatry, adultery, stealing, coveting, lying, murder, etc. We would be free to do such things with immunity.

 

[jocor]

My dad was a farmer, but I did not stay. So what shall I do in your millennium. The farm is now gone, so how shall I bring a calf for your sacrifice?

I don't need a sacrifice other than Yeshua. Why would you ask such a question?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I am talking to you about the Law of Mose and how it relates to Christianity. You just can't seem to humble yourself enough to receive it. That is sad. It truly is.

I have not given you one point of Sharia Law, all I have done is take you out of the scriptures to teach you a lesson about the Bible, but because I have taken you away from the Bible with these questions, they make you uncomfortable because you do not have an answer for them, and I have taken away the ability of you to quote the scripture as your answer to a question about Sharia Law and the Constitution of this country, even though the application is for how the law of Moses relates to Christianity.

And so I shall talk with my Rock. In the mean time. Consider the lilies of the field, for they neither toil nor spin. Consider the sparrows.......

You are a false lying prophet and I'm being a fool by giving you the time of day. I do not consider you to be a brother in Christ.