Salvation by grace through faith; not through works / law-keeping.

[popsthebuilder]

Yes, which shows that eternal life abides in those who truly love God and neighbor as scripture commands.

Such a love comes only from the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

We can't "muster it up" in the power of the flesh.

It is the gift of God.

Surely; a gift to every person as potential. Does GOD desire that some not to be saved?

 

[Butch5]

Clearly God imputed righteousness without works (Romans 4:6) and saves us "not by works of righteousness which we have done" (Titus 3:5).

This is not to say that those who are redeemed will not be zealous of good works.

For those who are justified by grace have been regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost (again, Titus 3:5); and such a thing produces an attitude that is conducive to good works.

But the scriptures are clear that it is not our works that save us...we can only be regenerated and renewed in the Holy Ghost through faith in Jesus and His shed blood.

Good works ultimately follow.

As I said before, Abraham's faith was accounted to him for righteousness at the juncture of Genesis 15:6.

He would later demonstrate that faith by offering his son on the altar.

But if Abraham had died before being able to offer up his son, he would have gone straight to heaven.

God looked down at Abraham in Genesis 15:6 and accounted him as righteous because of his faith alone in the LORD and His promises. He looked on Abraham's heart and saw a genuine faith.

Again, that faith would be demonstrated for his progeny a little later.

But he was not accounted as righteous when he demonstrated his faith.

He was accounted as righteous at the first moment that it existed in his heart.

You're putting the cart before the horse. As James said, a faith without works is incomplete. An incomplete faith cannot be the source of the works which make that very faith complete. That's illogical.

Being justified does not mean being saved. It just means to be counted righteous. This doesn't preclude one later being declared unrighteous. However, let's consider what took place before Gen 15:6

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. 4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran

The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ge 12:1–4.

We see here that long before Abraham was declared righteous, he was already doing works. God had given him instructions and he obeyed them.

Now let's look at the passage in question.

15 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.


The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Ge 15:1–6.

Abraham questions God about his heir and God promises this old man a son from his own bowels. Then we find the statement, Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. We see from the context that he was declared righteous because he, being old, believed God when God told him he would have a son of his of body. There is nothing here about being saved. He had faith in the promise of God. In Chapter 12 and 13 God had promised Abraham that He would, make him the father of a great nation, that He would give him all the land he could see, and that all nations would be blessed through him. Abraham believed God would fulfill these promises and that belief was counted as righteousness. There is nothing here in the context about doing any kind of works. It doesn't even address the issue. A passage that doesn't address the issue of works doesn't prove whether or not works are necessary. This passage is about some promises that God had made to Abraham, and Abraham believed that God would fulfill them.

 

[gordon777]

You're putting the cart before the horse. As James said, a faith without works is incomplete. An incomplete faith cannot be the source of the works which make that very faith complete. That's illogical.

Being justified does not mean being saved. It just means to be counted righteous. This doesn't preclude one later being declared unrighteous. However, let's consider what took place before Gen 15:6

The reason we have scriptures, is because they give us faith in God, and people all happily teaching each other, by our own ideas, beliefs, do not give faith.

Everything has to be in the order God gives things, that is why the whole world hears about Apostle Paul seeing the Lord Jesus Christ, and being made the Apostle to the Gentiles by Christ. ( to the world.)

We see the examples Apostle Paul did, of the loss of all things, the sufferings of Christ, of the charity, of the righteousness, holiness, and winning of the fight of faith. ( this shows how faith is made perfect by these works, or there would be no examples or purposes of them.)

We cant hear anyone else, we do not see what they do, we only see they speak on a forum.




1 Corinthians 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

1 Corinthians 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.


Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

 

[gordon777]

Being justified does not mean being saved. It just means to be counted righteous. This doesn't preclude one later being declared unrighteous. However, let's consider what took place before Gen 15:6

Abrahams faith is counted as righteousness. That is believing on Him who justifies the ungodly. ( saves.)

Abraham received a sign and seal of circumcision, of the faith he had, to be the father of all them that believe, for righteousness to be imputed to them also. ( justified by faith/saved.)

The father of circumcision, to them who walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, the promise was through the righteousness of faith.

God made Abraham a father of many nations, before Him whom He believed, ( not before men.) God who quickens the dead.

Abraham against hope believed in hope, ( we are saved by hope/in hope of eternal life which God who cannot lie, promised before the world began. Romans 8:24. Titus 1:2. ) to become the father of many nations, to be according to what was spoken, so shall is seed be. ( in Isaac.)

Abraham was not weak in faith, ( faith is the gift of God/the Spirit of faith, which is received through the hearing of faith. Ephesians 2:8. 2 Corinthians 4:13. Galatians 3:2) and did not consider his own body now dead, nor the deadness of Sarah's womb,

Abraham was not struggling with the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; he was fully persuaded that, what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

It was imputed to him for righteousness. it was not written ( in the scriptures we have) for his sake alone, but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. ( our justification is therefore told in James, when faith was made perfect, by the offering of Isaac.)





Romans 4:11 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?





In Isaac shall the seed of Abraham be called. The children of the promise are counted for the seed. ( in Isaac.)

So the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of God calling.



Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.




By faith Abraham when called, ( the purpose of God to stand, is according to election, of God calling.) obeyed.

By faith Abraham sojourned in the land of promise as in a strange country, with the heirs of the same promise, looking for a city whose maker is God. ( Holy New Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven. Revelation 21:2/21:10.)

Through faith Sarah received strength to conceived, she judged God faithful who had promised.

They died in faith not having received the promise, but saw them afar off, were persuaded of them, embraced them, confessing they were strangers on the earth.




Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.



By faith Abraham when tried offered up Isaac, Abraham had received the promises, ( of eternal life for all called to believe. God.)

It was said In Isaac his seed shall be called, Abraham accounted that God was able to raise Isaac up, even from the dead, and received him in a figure.

All received a good report through faith, but did not receive the promise, God provided something better for us, to be made perfect.



Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.


Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.




We see how faith wrought with the works of Abraham to make faith perfect. ( that was the accounting and receiving of Isaac in a figure, of God even raising the dead.)

Hebrews 11:40, ends on God having provided some better thing for us. Abraham had said to Isaac, God will provide a lamb for a burnt offering. ( God provided a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns, and offered him up for a burnt offering in place of his son, wen God had told Abraham to not harm his son when he was about to d as God had told him to do.)

God provided the Lamb of God, who took away the sins of the world, who was made perfect ,( they without us should not be made perfect.) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him/ the spirits of just men made perfect.




Genesis 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Genesis 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

[Butch5]

The reason we have scriptures, is because they give us faith in God, and people all happily teaching each other, by our own ideas, beliefs, do not give faith.

Everything has to be in the order God gives things, that is why the whole world hears about Apostle Paul seeing the Lord Jesus Christ, and being made the Apostle to the Gentiles by Christ. ( to the world.)

We see the examples Apostle Paul did, of the loss of all things, the sufferings of Christ, of the charity, of the righteousness, holiness, and winning of the fight of faith. ( this shows how faith is made perfect by these works, or there would be no examples or purposes of them.)

We cant hear anyone else, we do not see what they do, we only see they speak on a forum.




1 Corinthians 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;
12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

1 Corinthians 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.


Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

I'm not sure what your point is here.

 

[gordon777]

I'm not sure what your point is here.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[Butch5]

Abrahams faith is counted as righteousness. That is believing on Him who justifies the ungodly. ( saves.)

Abraham received a sign and seal of circumcision, of the faith he had, to be the father of all them that believe, for righteousness to be imputed to them also. ( justified by faith/saved.)

The father of circumcision, to them who walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, the promise was through the righteousness of faith.

God made Abraham a father of many nations, before Him whom He believed, ( not before men.) God who quickens the dead.

Abraham against hope believed in hope, ( we are saved by hope/in hope of eternal life which God who cannot lie, promised before the world began. Romans 8:24. Titus 1:2. ) to become the father of many nations, to be according to what was spoken, so shall is seed be. ( in Isaac.)

Abraham was not weak in faith, ( faith is the gift of God/the Spirit of faith, which is received through the hearing of faith. Ephesians 2:8. 2 Corinthians 4:13. Galatians 3:2) and did not consider his own body now dead, nor the deadness of Sarah's womb,

Abraham was not struggling with the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; he was fully persuaded that, what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

It was imputed to him for righteousness. it was not written ( in the scriptures we have) for his sake alone, but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. ( our justification is therefore told in James, when faith was made perfect, by the offering of Isaac.)





Romans 4:11 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?





In Isaac shall the seed of Abraham be called. The children of the promise are counted for the seed. ( in Isaac.)

So the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of God calling.



Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.




By faith Abraham when called, ( the purpose of God to stand, is according to election, of God calling.) obeyed.

By faith Abraham sojourned in the land of promise as in a strange country, with the heirs of the same promise, looking for a city whose maker is God. ( Holy New Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven. Revelation 21:2/21:10.)

Through faith Sarah received strength to conceived, she judged God faithful who had promised.

They died in faith not having received the promise, but saw them afar off, were persuaded of them, embraced them, confessing they were strangers on the earth.




Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.



By faith Abraham when tried offered up Isaac, Abraham had received the promises, ( of eternal life for all called to believe. God.)

It was said In Isaac his seed shall be called, Abraham accounted that God was able to raise Isaac up, even from the dead, and received him in a figure.

All received a good report through faith, but did not receive the promise, God provided something better for us, to be made perfect.



Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.


Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.




We see how faith wrought with the works of Abraham to make faith perfect. ( that was the accounting and receiving of Isaac in a figure, of God even raising the dead.)

Hebrews 11:40, ends on God having provided some better thing for us. Abraham had said to Isaac, God will provide a lamb for a burnt offering. ( God provided a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns, and offered him up for a burnt offering in place of his son, wen God had told Abraham to not harm his son when he was about to d as God had told him to do.)

God provided the Lamb of God, who took away the sins of the world, who was made perfect ,( they without us should not be made perfect.) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him/ the spirits of just men made perfect.




Genesis 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Genesis 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

What the argument you're making here?

 

[Butch5]

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

I'm sorry, but just posting Scripture tells me nothing about what you're trying to say

 

[gordon777]

The point as always, knowledge puffs up, charity edifies.

Charity believes and hopes in all things.


1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

1 Corinthians 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

 

[gordon777]

What the argument you're making here?

Sorry, if any man does not consent to the wholesome words of Jesus Christ and to the doctrine according to godliness:


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[gordon777]

What the argument you're making here?

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

 

[gordon777]

I'm sorry, but just posting Scripture tells me nothing about what you're trying to say

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Butch5]

The point as always, knowledge puffs up, charity edifies.

Charity believes and hopes in all things.


1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

1 Corinthians 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

What's that got to do with the subject at hand?

 

[Butch5]

Sorry, if any man does not consent to the wholesome words of Jesus Christ and to the doctrine according to godliness:


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Again, what does this have to do with the subject at hand?

 

[Butch5]

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

?

 

[Butch5]

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I have

 

[gordon777]

S

What's that got to do with the subject at hand?

All the knowledge in the world without charity is of no value.

We do not teach each other, God teaches us.

Gods words are what saves us, mans do not.

Being quick to answer, slow to hear is a sign of the wrath of man.


Their glorying is not good, ( knowledge puffs them up) but charity edifies. ( believing and hoping all)

The scriptures testify for the hope of eternal life, Christ our passover is sacrificed for us, which is salvation through grace, for us to remove the leaven, that leavens the whole lump. ( keep the feast with the unleavened bread/Jesus Christ, of sincerity and truth.)


1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

[Butch5]

S

All the knowledge in the world without charity is of no value.

We do not teach each other, God teaches us.

Gods words are what saves us, mans do not.

Being quick to answer, slow to hear is a sign of the wrath of man.


Their glorying is not good, ( knowledge puffs them up) but charity edifies. ( believing and hoping all)

The scriptures testify for the hope of eternal life, Christ our passover is sacrificed for us, which is salvation through grace, for us to remove the leaven, that leavens the whole lump. ( keep the feast with the unleavened bread/Jesus Christ, of sincerity and truth.)


1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I fail to see what this has to do with the subject at hand.

 

[gordon777]

Quick answers, and no looking at what was posted, ( to hear) about the subject.

 

[Butch5]

When you know the Scriptures it doesn't take long to point out error