Salvation by grace through faith; not through works / law-keeping.

[Hopeful 2]

Hebrews 10:14
14because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are being sanctified.

Your version of the bible has led you astray.
KJV..."For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Heb 10:14)

'Being sanctified' is in the Greek Present tense. Here's an explanation of the Greek Present tense:
In English, we know that the present tense describes something happening right now. It informs us of the time when an action takes place.
In Greek, however, the present tense primarily tells us the type of action. The Greek present tense indicates continued action, something that happens continually or repeatedly, or something that is in the process of happening. If you say, for instance, “The sun is rising,” you are talking about a process happening over a period of time, not an instantaneous event. The Greeks use the present tense to express this kind of continued action.
In contrast, Greek uses the aorist tense to show simple action. An aorist verb simply tells you that something happened, with no indication of how long it took. Aorist is like a snapshot; present is like a video.

Greek Tenses Explained – Ezra Project

ezraproject.com

See, you have a problem. In this one verse the author tells us that we have been made perfect one time and that perfecting does not need to be repeated. We know that because the verb 'made perfect' is in the Greek Perfect tense. At first this seems to defend your 'sinless perfection' doctrine. But he can't be talking about sinless perfection, but rather a legal declaration of perfection, because in the same breath that he says we are perfect he speaks of the presently ongoing action of being sanctified - the process of living the set apart life we have been set apart to live.
Perfect in the eyes of God, legally speaking, but progressing into actually being perfect. This is the revelation that set Luther free from the works justification theology of the Catholic church and started the Protestant Reformation. He says he was born again in that moment of revelation.

Man is sanctified by the application of the Lord Jesus Christ's blood at their "immersion" into Him and into His death.
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)


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[Hopeful 2]

Repentance is a change of mind. One that may or may not always result in a corresponding change of behavior because of the weakness of the flesh:

41“Watch and pray so that you will not enter into temptation. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” Matthew 26:41


No, it's actually an other worldly thing:

21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times! Matthew 18:21-22

He wants us to be that with others, because that's how God is with us. At the judgment our protection is the forgiveness and mercy of God in our frailty and weakness. Yours is your behavior. Yours is a works justification gospel. Ours is the gospel of forgiveness and grace, the gospel that actually saves.

I agree it is a change of mind, but the change is about the acceptability of the sins one turns from.
No turn, no change.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Stating your opinion and tagging it with a scripture reference is deceitful at best…

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Here is what 1 John 1:5-7 actually says —
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:5-7

So, as you posted here, men can say they have no sin.
After their cleansing by the blood of Christ, it is on us to remain in the light-God.

Point #1 —

• if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

The blood of Jesus cleanses those who walk in the light, of all sin.
Point #2
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

• Walking in the light refers to walking in love for our brother.
• Walking in darkness is walking in hate, rather than love as John plainly states in the next verses.

He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11

• He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now.
• He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him
• But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness,

Walking in the light is walking in love.
Walking in darkness is walking in hate.

• Walking in the light IS NOT being perfectly sinless.

You have made up your own definitions and applied them to scripture and have created a false doctrine.
PLEASE READ THE ACTUAL WORDS OF SCRIPTURE —
Hopeful 2 — This applies to you since you claim to be sinless perfect: The truth is not in you.

• If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10
Hopeful 2 — This verse applies to you since you claim to be perfectly sinless: You make Jesus out to be a liar.

• If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Hopeful 2 — This verse can not help you since you have deceived yourself into thinking you are perfectly sinless since the day you were baptized in water, until today.

• If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I hope and pray you come to your senses and confess you sins daily and be cleansed from all sin and unrighteousness.
I hope and pray you repent of promoting false doctrine, which is heresy.
JLB

Your POV is, and correct me if I am wrong, is that there is sin in God-light.
I can't agree.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Your version of the bible has led you astray.
KJV..."For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Heb 10:14)

No, this has nothing to do with Bible version. I'm not basing my argument on a Bible version. I showed you from the Greek that the verb being used means the believer is being sanctified. Can you prove that I'm wrong and it's not a Present tense verb in the Participle mood? Here's a link to Strong's Concordance so you can do that:

Hebrews 10 :: King James Version (KJV)

Hebrews 10 - For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

www.blueletterbible.org

(Click on the button next to "are sanctified" that says "V-PPP-APM" for the Verb tense and mood.)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Man is sanctified by the application of the Lord Jesus Christ's blood at their "immersion" into Him and into His death.
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)

All believers are cleansed and set apart to a holy purpose (sanctified) when they are born again (Hebrews 10:10). And all believers are in the process of being sanctified, becoming in practice what they have already been set apart to be (Hebrews 10:14).

Both aspects of sanctification are true for the believer. What I'm showing you is your doctrine has to ignore the tense and mood of the Greek verb "being sanctified" in Hebrews 10:14 to make it's false claim that there is no process of sanctification and that all real born again believers do not commit a single sin from the moment they are born again to the day they die.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I agree it is a change of mind, but the change is about the acceptability of the sins one turns from.
No turn, no change.

"For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” Matthew 26:41

 

[JLB]

Your POV is, and correct me if I am wrong, is that there is sin in God-light.
I can't agree.

Again as I posted the scripture that you ignored;

You ignored the actual words of scripture, in favor of the slanted doctrinal position you hold, and thus you have interjected a meaning of the word “light” to mean “sinlessly perfect” when it plainly refers to love; walking in love… in contrast to walking in darkness.

• He who loves his brother abides in the light…
• But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness…

He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:10-11



PLEASE READ THE ACTUAL WORDS OF SCRIPTURE —


Hopeful 2 — This applies to you since you claim to be sinless perfect: The truth is not in you.

• If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10


Hopeful 2 — This verse applies to you since you claim to be perfectly sinless: You make Jesus out to be a liar.

• If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Hopeful 2 — This verse can not help you since you have deceived yourself into thinking you are perfectly sinless since the day you were baptized in water, until today.

• If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I hope and pray you come to your senses and confess you sins daily and be cleansed from all sin and unrighteousness.






JLB

 

[RBDERRICK]

(Though it was)

Thanks for the nudge.

I need to be more disciplined and ensure I am making difference between the law of Mose in the OT, that we are not under to obey, and the law of Christ in the NT, that we are born again to obey.

 

[grace2]

Thanks for the nudge.

I need to be more disciplined and ensure I am making difference between the law of Mose in the OT, that we are not under to obey, and the law of Christ in the NT, that we are born again to obey.

What Jesus says is all His law and if you claim to be His follower you better obey it.

Jesus says "God is one" is the most important commandment.

So it is essential to worship Jesus' God, the Father.

 

[JLB]

What Jesus says is all His law and if you claim to be His follower you better obey it.

Jesus says "God is one" is the most important commandment.

So it is essential to worship Jesus' God, the Father.

Here is what the law of Moses requires —


You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15

 

[grace2]

Here is what the law of Moses requires —


You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15

What does this have to do with what Jesus says?

Jesus is merely stating what is the most essential for salvation.

 

[JLB]

What does this have to do with what Jesus says?

Jesus is merely stating what is the most essential for salvation.

Obedience is essential to salvation.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9


He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 3:36


JLB

 

[grace2]

Obedience is essential to salvation.

Of course.

that includes honoring all that Jesus commands.

So if you worship a false god, your salvation is out.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Jesus says "God is one" is the most important commandment.

God is unified.
Why can you only see 'God is one' as meaning God the Father is the only one that is divine?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What does this have to do with what Jesus says?

Jesus is merely stating what is the most essential for salvation.

The Sabbath commandment is not the greatest command, nor the second greatest.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No, this has nothing to do with Bible version. I'm not basing my argument on a Bible version. I showed you from the Greek that the verb being used means the believer is being sanctified. Can you prove that I'm wrong and it's not a Present tense verb in the Participle mood? Here's a link to Strong's Concordance so you can do that:

Hebrews 10 :: King James Version (KJV)

Hebrews 10 - For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

www.blueletterbible.org

(Click on the button next to "are sanctified" that says "V-PPP-APM" for the Verb tense and mood.)

Anyone holding to a gradual sanctification doctrine should ask themselves..."Have I ever met anyone who finally got 100% sanctified?
Then they should pull out a dictionary and find the definition of sanctify(ied).
"Atoned for" is one of the definitions.
Are you really only partially atoned for?
"Cleansed" is another definition.
Are you really only partially cleansed by the blood of Christ?

It is a doctrine of the devil.

 

[Hopeful 2]

All believers are cleansed and set apart to a holy purpose (sanctified) when they are born again (Hebrews 10:10). And all believers are in the process of being sanctified, becoming in practice what they have already been set apart to be (Hebrews 10:14).

So much for gradual sanctification...eh?

Both aspects of sanctification are true for the believer. What I'm showing you is your doctrine has to ignore the tense and mood of the Greek verb "being sanctified" in Hebrews 10:14 to make it's false claim that there is no process of sanctification and that all real born again believers do not commit a single sin from the moment they are born again to the day they die.

Your tense and mood have convinced you that there is no need to obey God perfectly.
Is "born again" gradual too?

 

[Hopeful 2]

"For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” Matthew 26:41

Spoken to a man who was walking in the flesh, and not walking in the Spirit.
Nobody before Christ's resurrection could walk in the Spirit, all the time.
They couldn't yet be baptized into Christ and into His death and burial.
They couldn't yet be raised with Him to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)

 

[Hopeful 2]

Again as I posted the scripture that you ignored;

You ignored the actual words of scripture, in favor of the slanted doctrinal position you hold, and thus you have interjected a meaning of the word “light” to mean “sinlessly perfect” when it plainly refers to love; walking in love… in contrast to walking in darkness.

• He who loves his brother abides in the light…
• But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness…

He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:10-11



PLEASE READ THE ACTUAL WORDS OF SCRIPTURE —


Hopeful 2 — This applies to you since you claim to be sinless perfect: The truth is not in you.

• If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10


Hopeful 2 — This verse applies to you since you claim to be perfectly sinless: You make Jesus out to be a liar.

• If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Hopeful 2 — This verse can not help you since you have deceived yourself into thinking you are perfectly sinless since the day you were baptized in water, until today.

• If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I hope and pray you come to your senses and confess you sins daily and be cleansed from all sin and unrighteousn

God is light.
In Him is no sin at all.
If we say we are in Him, there can be no sin in us either.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Obedience is essential to salvation.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9


He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 3:36


JLB

Too bad according to you no man can say he has no sin.
Only the wrath of God abides in everyone.