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Salvation by grace through faith; not through works / law-keeping.

RBDERRICK said:
With God of the Bible, there is no faith, love, nor righteousness without doing it.
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I agree that you have to first have righteousness to then 'do' love and righteousness. And that righteousness that then does righteousness comes as the result of faith in God, not works.

What you're not getting is you don't become a person with faith, love, and righteousness by 'doing' those things. You become those by being spiritually transformed when you believe and trust in God's promise of redemption through his Son Jesus Christ, apart from your works. Faith is the conduit through which righteousness comes to a person, not your works. You are not saved by your works. You are saved by your faith in God's forgiveness. And it is because you have been forgiven that you then love other (Luke 7:50).

47Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.”

48Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49But those at the table began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50And Jesus told the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Luke 7:47-50
 
Bible never says: “salvation is by grace thru faith alone”!

Or

“Accept Christ as your personal lord and savior”!

Or

“The sinners prayer”!

But fundamentalist tradition does!
Thanks
 
donadams said:
Bible never says: “salvation is by grace thru faith alone”!

Or

“Accept Christ as your personal lord and savior”!

Or

“The sinners prayer”!

But fundamentalist tradition does!
Thanks
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Catholic indoctrination, and the absence of the Spirit in salvation keep one from seeing the truth of "righteousness apart from works" and all the truths connected to it.

And so in that blindness people think you become righteous by doing righteous things. Spiritual people know that is impossible.

The only way to become righteous is to have it given to you as a free gift of God's grace received when you believe and trust in the gospel of forgiveness through Christ.

Many, many people will never ackowledge this truth and will be sorely disappointed when the incomplete righteousness of their works righteousness is rejected at the resurrection and final judgement of all.
 
donadams said:
Bible never says: “salvation is by grace thru faith alone”!
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Oh, and by the way, please start using the right phrase that the Bible uses - "righteousness apart from works" - so the argument doesn't get confused with James' " faith alone" argument which has nothing to do with how a person becomes righteous.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Catholic indoctrination, and the absence of the Spirit in salvation keep one from seeing the truth of "righteousness apart from works" and all the truths connected to it.

And so in that blindness people think you become righteous by doing righteous things. Spiritual people know that is impossible.

The only way to become righteous is to have it given to you as a free gift of God's grace received when you believe and trust in the gospel of forgiveness through Christ.

Many, many people will never ackowledge this truth and will be sorely disappointed when the incomplete righteousness of their works righteousness is rejected at the resurrection and final judgement of all.
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Christ obtained the redemption of mankind apart from our participation

But justification, sanctification, and salvation we must participate
 
donadams said:
Christ obtained the redemption of mankind apart from our participation

But justification...we must participate
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I know you believe that.
That is the works justification gospel condemned in scripture.

You can not make yourself righteous. Righteousness can only be given as a free gift of God's grace through faith, apart from your works (Romans 4:6). That's how Abraham, our example, was declared (made) righteous, and that is how we, also, are declared (made) righteous with the righteousness that is from God. His works showed him to be righteous, not made him to be righteous (James 2:18, Genesis 22:12, James 2:21).
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I know you believe that.
That is the works justification gospel condemned in scripture.

You can not make yourself righteous. Righteousness can only be given as a free gift of God's grace through faith, apart from your works (Romans 4:6). That's how Abraham, our example, was declared (made) righteous, and that is how we, also, are declared (made) righteous with the righteousness that is from God. His works showed him to be righteous, not made him to be righteous (James 2:18, Genesis 22:12, James 2:21).
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Christ redemption makes righteousness in Him possible
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!
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donadams said:
Christ redemption makes righteousness in Him possible
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!
Thanks
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Yes, but that is not the righteousness by which you are made righteous. That is the righteousness that you do because you were made righteous with the righteousness that comes from God as a free gift of his grace, not from your works.

This is spiritual truth that only people who receive the things of the Spirit have. People who do not have this revelation can only think in the natural where it can only be understood that to become righteous you act righteously. That is the natural thinking of the natural mind. That is works justification gospel of the natural man condemned in scripture.
 
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Jethro Bodine said:
You're ignoring the progression of growth.
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Growth from God's perfect seed?
One can grow from "x" amount of grace and knowledge to "y" amount of grace and knowledge, and should be.
But growth from 45% pure to 48% pure negates the old man's crucifixion with Jesus and his rebirth from God's seed.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Growth from God's perfect seed?
One can grow from "x" amount of grace and knowledge to "y" amount of grace and knowledge, and should be.
But growth from 45% pure to 48% pure negates the old man's crucifixion with Jesus and his rebirth from God's seed.
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Good grief, man! Read the Parable! The planting of God doesn't start out with the mature head of grain. Stop twisting the word of God...again.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
What I reject, is your false interpretations.
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All I and others have done is share the plain words of scripture that do not need interpretation but you've rejected every single one of them in favor of the twist you put on them in order to preserve your doctrine of sinless perfection. Like I say, differences regarding doctrine are to be expected, and even respected, but you've gone completly overboard. I actually feel kind of bad for you.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
I have changed nothing.

Your claim that there is sin in God is ludicrous.

Since the day I repented of sin, I have not committed any sin.
My water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins occurred before I finally turned from sin permanently.

Certainly true, if you are walking in sin/darkness.
But not true if you are walking in God/light.

Do you think anyone walks "in God" who is the light ?
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Again, you ignore the scriptures I post and respond with more opinion.


Looks like the actual word of God has exposed your “theology” as being man made… at best.



JLB
 
Hopeful 2 said:
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil."
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Great scripture!


However the subject we are discussing is walking in the light vs walking in darkness.

Walking in the light does not mean walking in sinless perfection as you claim.

Walking in the light means walking in love.

He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
1 John 2:10-11


Claiming you are perfectly sinless since the day you were baptized is only deceiving yourself.


  • If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10




JLB
 
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