Salvation through baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

[justbyfaith]

Bear in mind that I continue to report your posts to the moderators whenever you resort to derogatory personal attacks against me, as you are doing here, rather than try to deal with what I have written in my posts.

That was simply not a personal attack.

It did not refer to you as a person; but to what you have been doing.

I pray that your tactics, which originate in a desire for fear, will not be fallen for by the moderators.

satan is all about fear.

(now, go ahead and try to make me capitalize his name here, like you did in the other thread; and see what happens)

 

[justbyfaith]

Bear in mind that I continue to report your posts to the moderators whenever you resort to derogatory personal attacks against me, as you are doing here, rather than try to deal with what I have written in my posts.

Two can also play at that game.

I have been lenient with you.

I could always go back and report all the violations in some of your posts if you want to play hard ball.

And we can see who gets banned first.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

"King of the Jews" is a title;

You already said that, and it's still irrelevant. I did not ask you about the phrase, "King of the Jews".

"Jesus of Nazareth" is the name that the title is applied to.

You already said that, and it's still irrelevant. I did not ask you about the phrase, "Jesus of Nazareth".

I'll enlarge the font so that, hopefully, you'll be able to read the phrase I asked you about:

"JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"​

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a name? Yes or No?
Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a title? Yes or No?

In saying "title", John was referring to the former and not the latter.

In saying "title", John was referring to the phrase:

"JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"​

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a name? Yes or No?
Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a title? Yes or No?

 

[justbyfaith]

You already said that, and it's still irrelevant. I did not ask you about the phrase, "King of the Jews".

You already said that, and it's still irrelevant. I did not ask you about the phrase, "Jesus of Nazareth".

I'll enlarge the font so that, hopefully, you'll be able to read the phrase I asked you about:

"JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"​

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a name? Yes or No?
Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a title? Yes or No?

In saying "title", John was referring to the phrase:

"JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"​

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a name? Yes or No?
Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a title? Yes or No?

"Jesus of Nazareth" is a name; and "The King of the Jews" is a title.

(Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.)

When John uses the word "title", he is referring, in the text, to the latter and not the former.

Because "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" is a name and not a title, according to Acts 4:10-12.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

In saying "title", John was referring to the phrase:

"JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"​

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a name? Yes or No?

justbyfaith: <NO ANSWER, STILL>

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a title? Yes or No?

justbyfaith: <NO ANSWER, STILL>

 

[justbyfaith]

You already said that, and it's still irrelevant. I did not ask you about the phrase, "King of the Jews".

You already said that, and it's still irrelevant. I did not ask you about the phrase, "Jesus of Nazareth".

I'll enlarge the font so that, hopefully, you'll be able to read the phrase I asked you about:

"JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"​

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a name? Yes or No?
Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a title? Yes or No?


In saying "title", John was referring to the phrase:

"JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"​

Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a name? Yes or No?
Is that phrase, "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS", a title? Yes or No?

If I say that "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews" is a title, then what are you going to say?

That "Jesus of Nazareth" isn't a name?

 

[justbyfaith]

How does your argument in any way substantiate that "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" are not titles?

 

[justbyfaith]

Clearly, "Father" is a title and not a name.

"Son" is a title and not a name.

"Holy Ghost" is a title and not a name.

 

[justbyfaith]

justbyfaith: <NO ANSWER, STILL>

justbyfaith: <NO ANSWER, STILL>

I have been answering you; but you don't accept my answers.

And you misinterpret your unacceptance of my answers as my not having answered.

 

[justbyfaith]

But I think that we have been mincing about words.

The Lord wants me to be patient with you, Paul E. Michael;

But he has also commanded that we not engage in foolish discussions or arguments about words.

<edited:> moderators see here (https://christianforums.net/threads...-for-the-remission-of-sins.97289/post-1775604)

Bear in mind that I continue to report your posts to the moderators whenever you resort to derogatory personal attacks against me, as you are doing here, rather than try to deal with what I have written in my posts.

All I am saying is that we have been drawn away on a tangent by all of these questions.

If you will try to get back to the point, that would be appreciated.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

If I say that "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews" is a title, then what are you going to say?

Here, you have just admitted that you have not answered my question, _"Is the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews" a title? Yes or No?"_ Only by answering it will you find out what I will say.

That "Jesus of Nazareth" isn't a name?

Of course I'm not going to say that "Jesus of Nazareth" isn't a name. Why would I? That would not even be relevant to the question I've been asking you.

 

[justbyfaith]

Only by answering it will you find out what I will say.

I have given you the only answer that I will give...

That when John says "title" he is referring to the latter and not the former words in the phraseology of "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews"...He is referring to what is obviously the title in the sign, "The King of the Jews";

while "Jesus of Nazareth" is a name.

Now, if you want to lay forth your logic as if I had answered that the whole thing is a title, then go ahead and do that. Perhaps you will win someone to your point of view.

But I am not going to play your silly games.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you are trying to say that "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews" is both a name and a title; and that therefore it is also possible that "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" are both a name and a title,

I think that I have made it clear, as a first truth, and also based on a comparison of Matthew 28:19 and Acts 2:38, that "Father' is a title, "Son" is a title, and "Holy Ghost" is a title; and "Jesus Christ" is their name.

 

[justbyfaith]

You need the Holy Ghost to be able to understand this, possibly.

1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

All I am saying is that we have been drawn away on a tangent by all of these questions.

If you will try to get back to the point, that would be appreciated.

Was this not the point--your assertion of the falsehood that:

According to a careful comparison of Matthew 28:19 and Acts 2:38-39, the Father's name specifically, and of the Son and Spirit, is Jesus Christ.

??

I entered this thread (post #67) specifically protesting that falsehood that you had asserted. But you have changed from saying that the phrase "Jesus Christ" is the Father's name to saying that the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth" is the Father's name.

 

[justbyfaith]

??

I entered this thread (post #67) specifically protesting that falsehood that you had asserted. But you have changed from saying that the phrase "Jesus Christ" is the Father's name to saying that the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth" is the Father's name.

Give me a break, please.

Are you deliberately being obtuse in order to try to instigate me?

"Jesus Christ" and "Jesus of Nazareth" and "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" are the name of the same Person in history.

 

[justbyfaith]

your assertion of the falsehood that:

Nope. It is wishful thinking on your part that it would be a falsehood.

Nevertheless, it is as true as rain.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

"Jesus Christ" and "Jesus of Nazareth" are the name of the same Person in history.

So, you cannot discern that the phrase "Jesus Christ" is not the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth"?

• Is the phrase "Jesus Christ" the name of the Father? Yes or No?
• Is the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth" the name of the Father? Yes or No?
• Is the phrase "Jesus Christ" the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth"? Yes or No?

they have a singular name

To which of these two phrases are you referring by your phrase, "a singular name", and to which one are you not referring by it?

1. "Jesus Christ"
2. "Jesus of Nazareth"

 

[justbyfaith]

So, you cannot discern that the phrase "Jesus Christ" is not the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth"?

Is the phrase "Jesus Christ" the name of the Father? Yes or No?

yes.

Is the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth" the name of the Father? Yes or No?

yes.

s the phrase "Jesus Christ" the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth"? Yes or No?

no.

Because both phrases are speaking of the same Person.

Now, I think that you are just trying to waste my time.

I have better things to do with it than to engage in foolish arguments.

Maybe I will come online again tomorrow.

But for now,

arevoire.

To which of these two phrases are you referring by your phrase, "a singular name", and to which one are you not referring by it?

1. "Jesus Christ"
2. "Jesus of Nazareth"

How about "Jesus Christ of Nazareth"...

"Jesus Christ" for short;

and "Jesus of Nazareth" for short?

 

[Paul E. Michael]

"Jesus Christ" and "Jesus of Nazareth" are the name of the same Person in history.

You made a grammatical error: "are the name [sic] of"; "are the nameS of" is what you should have said. And, again, which one of those two phrases--"Jesus Christ" or "Jesus of Nazareth"--is what you are referring to by your phrase:

a singular name

??

Is the phrase "Jesus Christ" the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth"? Yes or No?

no.

But, according to you, each of those two phrases is a name of the Father. So, which of those two phrases is the one to which you refer by your phrase "a singular name"?