I considered the following: Election doctrine is Old junk doctrine, It's a dogmatic doctrine trying to understand a real Father that thinks and interacts with His children. The doctrine does not deal with Man and God as a child parent relationship. You get picked if you're a lucky one, and once you've picked, your absolved of all duty to being a child of the most high. You don't go to hell, that is the only goal, missing Hell, and it's wrong.
Deu 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Deu 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
Deu 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
Deu 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
If I mess up? What is that? This morning the wife dropped a bottle, it hit my coffee cup, then it goes over my laptop. That is a mess up, and it's just a laptop, not worth getting upset about. Twice I ended up in the Branson Jail for not obeying something in my heart to check into. It was not strong but there, I disobeyed the Holy Spirit. My fault, but I did not realise it until I started yelling at God for not warning me, well He did. I screwed up.
Rebellion is not a mess up, and God does not change. Now we go into the dogmatic, you avoid hell no matter what. That should not be a concern of a child of God. A child is a child, you don't disown them. A child, like the younger son can leave though. This is rebellion.
Luk_15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
My son was dead, my son was lost. You don't want to die in this state. However, dead and lost can be restored, still a child. God is not taking prisoners, you don't have to stay in the family. The family is always there though.
God's Method of saving to the utmost those who are in rebellion:
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep (DEAD).
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Works don't get us saved, but being a child, we don't want to get judged and ruin our quality of life or give up what is in store for us. Not only that, rebellion steps on that edge of being in Hell because God's judgement that ends in Satan destroying our lives is in Hope we repent at least and our spirit saved. It's not the way to go. Without repenting, there is no faithful and just to forgive your sins, and some don't, no matter how bad it gets.
It's not about not sinning, it's about doing what your called to do. Rebellion does not do what God called a person to do.
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Making mistakes, messing up, those things happen, we all have messed up, but if we do what we are called to do, then we will never fail, because a heart for the father obey's him no matter how imperfect we are. If you don't, then is a entrance ministered to you anyway?
All the scriptures Eugene!
Does God pick who gets saved?
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What's the condition, they must believe on Him.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Does everyone hear? Does everyone believe?
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Man has to hear, man has to respond, man has to believe because every man has been given the measure of faith to use to believe with.
God bless.
Mike.
