Satan,Sin, Angels, Man

[JLB]

Thank you as I was hoping that was what you meant.

Just FYI.

He keeps his language vague, to conceal the true meaning within his post's.

Just so you will know fully what he means:

He believes that everyone has a messenger of Satan in their flesh, because that is what he believes Paul said is 2 Corinthians 12:7

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 2 Corinthians 12:7

Furthermore, he believes that, Satan is sin.

He uses 1 John 3:8 to prove this, as he says "sin is of the devil".

He who sins is of the devil... 1 John 3:8

This verse says "He" who sins is of the devil, not "sin" is of the devil.

The person, "he", who sins is of the devil.

This now leads him to the conclusion that it is the devil in our flesh sinning and not us, but the devil, and so we will not be held accountable for any sin, but all condemnation for the sins that we commit will be applied to the devil, [because the devil is sin] and we will not be judged for our sins, because it is all the devil.

Romans 7 -

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin [Satan] that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil [Satan] is present with me, the one who wills to do good. Romans 7:18-21

This is the way he reads and teaches Romans 7, that the sin in our flesh is the devil himself, as he believes sin is the devil, and the devil is sin.


Now you may agree with him in this theory.

I just wanted to know what this person believes.


JLB

 

[smaller]

Just FYI.

He keeps his language vague, to conceal the true meaning within his post's.

Just so you will know fully what he means:

He believes that everyone has a messenger of Satan in their flesh, because that is what he believes Paul said is 2 Corinthians 12:7

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 2 Corinthians 12:7

Furthermore, he believes that, Satan is sin.

He uses 1 John 3:8 to prove this, as he says "sin is of the devil".

He who sins is of the devil... 1 John 3:8

This verse says "He" who sins is of the devil, not "sin" is of the devil.

The person, "he", who sins is of the devil.

This now leads him to the conclusion that it is the devil in our flesh sinning and not us, but the devil, and so we will not be held accountable for any sin, but all condemnation for the sins that we commit will be applied to the devil, [because the devil is sin] and we will not be judged for our sins, because it is all the devil.

Romans 7 -

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin [Satan] that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil [Satan] is present with me, the one who wills to do good. Romans 7:18-21

This is the way he reads and teaches Romans 7, that the sin in our flesh is the devil himself, as he believes sin is the devil, and the devil is sin.


Now you may agree with him in this theory.

I just wanted to know what this person believes.

JLB

Any believer who concedes, truthfully, that they are tempted internally, by the tempter, should be able to perceive there is more than just them between our own two ears.

What Jesus said IS true. Where the Word is sown, Satan enters the heart to RESIST, and does so via the avenues of temptations, lusts, deceptions, and SIN. Mark 4:15 and all the seed parables speak of this activity in the "ground" or the "flesh" of everyone. Believers are called to see this activity for what it is. Satanic imposition IN the flesh.

I am not about to justify the tempter's presence in anyone, myself first and foremost, by pretending that working is obedient, legal, under Grace, forgiven or in faith.

A believer is called to DIVIDE from that working. There is no dividing from that which we claim NOT to have to deal with. There is no HONOR in lying about it either. And, the last state a believer will fall into in these matters is hypocrisy and double dealing the subject matter, which is the WRATH of God abiding upon such, because they have not perceived what is in their own flesh, TRUTHFULLY.

Any person who follows Paul's footsteps will come to the same conclusion he did as "personally tested" and "revealed" matters.

The Promise of the Gospel is to be divided and saved from our enemies. Those enemies ARE the devil and his messengers who still have sway over the flesh. It is pointless to deny it, as such are NOT in truth. Such are engaged in a coverup, and God has cursed the adversary, working in the flesh, by showing, openly, lying hypocrisy.

 

[Sinthesis]

So Lucifer becomes an adversary of God, Christ has come to destroy the works of Satan, that Christ fulfills with His glory and shines as the bright and morning star that God intended.

Lucifer(Babylon) as light bearer failed. As son of the morning lucifer inherited light, but was not the cause of it as he imagined. Jesus, as the Morning Star is the bringer of the dawn, the new day of light that follows the darkness of the world.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just FYI.

He keeps his language vague, to conceal the true meaning within his post's.

Just so you will know fully what he means:

He believes that everyone has a messenger of Satan in their flesh, because that is what he believes Paul said is 2 Corinthians 12:7

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 2 Corinthians 12:7

Furthermore, he believes that, Satan is sin.

He uses 1 John 3:8 to prove this, as he says "sin is of the devil".

He who sins is of the devil... 1 John 3:8

This verse says "He" who sins is of the devil, not "sin" is of the devil.

The person, "he", who sins is of the devil.

This now leads him to the conclusion that it is the devil in our flesh sinning and not us, but the devil, and so we will not be held accountable for any sin, but all condemnation for the sins that we commit will be applied to the devil, [because the devil is sin] and we will not be judged for our sins, because it is all the devil.

Romans 7 -

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin [Satan] that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil [Satan] is present with me, the one who wills to do good. Romans 7:18-21

This is the way he reads and teaches Romans 7, that the sin in our flesh is the devil himself, as he believes sin is the devil, and the devil is sin.


Now you may agree with him in this theory.

I just wanted to know what this person believes.


JLB

Mormons teach that Satan is sin in the flesh and it is a false doctrine of their religion taught to them by their false prophet Joseph Smith. Sin is nothing more than unbelief as one separates them self from Gods grace grace and mercy. Sin is not Satan, but only that of following the desires of the heart. Satan can not tempt one who is not in Christ for why would he as that person is already condemned unless they turn back to Gods grace. Satan can only tempt a Spiritually born again child of God and Gods strength within our weak flesh is what keeps us from falling prey to those temptations. 2 Corinthians 12:9; 6:3-10

 

[JLB]

Any believer who concedes, truthfully, that they are tempted internally, by the tempter, should be able to perceive there is more than just them between our own two ears.

Stick to the scriptures as your opinion and misunderstandings have been well noted.

What Jesus said IS true. Where the Word is sown, Satan enters the heart to RESIST, and does so via the avenues of temptations, lusts, deceptions, and SIN. Mark 4:15 and all the seed parables speak of this activity in the "ground" or the "flesh" of everyone. Believers are called to see this activity for what it is. Satanic imposition IN the flesh.

And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. Mark 4:15

Satan comes to take away the seed, in those "by the wayside"...

If a person has not been purchased by the precious blood, then Satan does have a right to enter them.

However, your theory is that Satan dwells in the flesh of all Christians.

Mark 4:15 shows that Satan, steals the "seed' from those by the wayside, "lest they believe and be saved"...

11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:11-12

This is not so in the rest of the four different scenarios presented by the Lord Jesus.

13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience.[/QUOTE]

So it is only the one instance where Satan steals the word from their heart, lest they should believe and be saved.

You have tried to build a "doctrine" from this one scenario, and teach that Satan dwells in everyones flesh.

Just not biblical.

A believer is called to DIVIDE from that working. There is no dividing from that which we claim NOT to have to deal with. There is no HONOR in lying about it either. And, the last state a believer will fall into in these matters is hypocrisy and double dealing the subject matter, which is the WRATH of God abiding upon such, because they have not perceived what is in their own flesh, TRUTHFULLY.

Makes no sense and is vague, with no scripture.

Any person who follows Paul's footsteps will come to the same conclusion he did as "personally tested" and "revealed" matters.

Makes no sense and is vague, with no scripture.

The Promise of the Gospel is to be divided and saved from our enemies. Those enemies ARE the devil and his messengers who still have sway over the flesh. It is pointless to deny it, as such are NOT in truth. Such are engaged in a coverup, and God has cursed the adversary, working in the flesh, by showing, openly, lying hypocrisy.

Please use scripture to back up what you are trying to convey.



JLB

 

[smaller]

Stick to the scriptures as your opinion and misunderstandings have been well noted.

It doesn't take a genius to come to the scriptural conclusion that the tempter tempts internally, among other various workings. 1 Thes. 3:5

It also doesn't surprise me when believers claim it isn't so, as the tempter does that work in the flesh as well.

And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. Mark 4:15

Satan comes to take away the seed, in those "by the wayside"...

I can read. Believers are not exempted from having internal temptations/lusts/deceptions in their own flesh, and are so of the tempter.

If any do not factor this scriptural reality into their sights, from the scriptural perspective they may be termed "blind" in the spiritual senses.

When we are saved we are supposed to see this internal reality, and resist that working and worker.

Isaiah 35:5
Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

If a person has not been purchased by the precious blood, then Satan does have a right to enter them.

We've done this drill many many times. The flesh is contrary to and against the Spirit. Gal. 5:17. And it is so because of the weakness of the flesh in it's subjection to temptations/lusts/deceptions and the presence of indwelling sin/evil present. Primarily from Romans 7 with many supporting scriptures.

However, your theory is that Satan dwells in the flesh of all Christians.

I read and see the obvious. Some believers can't, because of the other party.

Revelation 2:13
I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Mark 4:15 shows that Satan, steals the "seed' from those by the wayside, "lest they believe and be saved"...

It is impossible to convince Satan in the flesh of anyone, of the truth of scriptures. That won't happen, no matter how clear scriptures are on the matters.

This is not so in the rest of the four different scenarios presented by the Lord Jesus.

The terms are conveyed in allegory/parable, obviously. The first dissection of the parable shows the 3 parties engaged in the parables. Those parties don't disappear in the remainder of the parable analysis. Mark 4:15 establishes "who" is involved in the parable, and in ALL parables.

Here are the 3 parties:

Mark 4:
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

The Word
They, the people
Satan

These parties are fixed throughout all parables. If they are not apparent in the dissections or to the readers, the readers understandings have been voided by the resistor.

 

[smaller]

Sin is nothing more than unbelief as one separates them self from Gods grace grace and mercy. Sin is not Satan,

Scriptures teach that ALL unbelievers are blinded by the "god of this world" in their minds, 2 Cor. 4:4 and that all unbelievers are under spiritual darkness, the power of Satan. Acts 26:18.

When believers fail to see this, they themselves are also blinded to this internal reality by that same working/worker.

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

IF any can not see this, it is exactly because God Himself has bound them to that spirit of slumber/disobedience, so that their eyes can not see and their ears can not hear.

Romans 11:
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Mark 4:15 tells us HOW it is that God gives this blindness. Where the Word is sown, Satan enters the heart to steal and resist Gods Words in their own heart.

Every believer that reads Mark 4:15 who is in spiritual slumber will hear a voice inside them that says "this does not happen to you because you are a believer." That is the voice of spiritual slumber and blindness, in their flesh, in operations.

Paul understood "how" the opposition party operates and delineates it in Romans 7:7-13, showing how "indwelling sin" caused every manner of concupiscence to form in his own mind.

He terms the indwelling sin, NO LONGER I. Romans 7:17-20.

He also terms it "evil present" with him. Romans 7:21.

He also shows that his own flesh still serves the LAW of SIN, Romans 7:25, showing that where the Word, the LAW is sown, indwelling sin RESISTS in the manner prescribed in Mark 4:15 and Romans 7:7-13.

Paul even unveils this fact of resistance in his own flesh by a messenger of Satan therein in 2 Cor. 12:7.

To some, when they are allowed to see it, will see it. Others can not come to this conclusion for themselves. Even though we know we are all sinners and have sin, sin indwelling the flesh, MOST can not conclude that sin is demonic, regardless of "seeing" it on the outside as an "action."

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Every spiritual blind person will deny this "link." That denial is in fact satanic in origin, in the flesh, not able to concede to the facts.

Scripture has made it's conclusion in these matters. ALL are and remain "under sin" in the flesh. Gal. 3:22. This fact won't change for anyone. And in this fact we are no better than anyone. Romans 3:9.

Sins will not be counted against believers. It is however accounted quite solidly to the devil.

God deals with TWO parties, man and the devils, in every line of scripture. Some hear, most can not because they are under the influence.

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

In Christ we are supposed to SEE these things. But the same thing that happened to Israel will happen to anyone walking in the flesh. They can not see, because they are blinded.

 

[JLB]

It doesn't take a genius to come to the scriptural conclusion that the tempter tempts internally, among other various workings. 1 Thes. 3:5

For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain. 1 Thessalonians 3:5

This says nothing of the tempter "tempting us internally".
Those are your words that you have added to the scripture, as you do in most cases.
That's why you don't post the scripture, but only your opinion with a scripture "tag".

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. James 1:14

We are led astray and tempted by our own desires.

Our desires come from within.

The tempter is not within those who are Christ's, as we are the Temple of God.

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:19

... but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18


JLB

 

[smaller]

For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain. 1 Thessalonians 3:5

This says nothing of the tempter "tempting us internally".

Temptations take on many forms. Denial that it happens is one of those forms.

Paul shows "how" this operates in Romans 7:7-13, where The Word, the Law is sown, THEN lusts transpired in his own mind, INTERNALLY. Paul terms this the work of sin indwelling his own flesh.

Those are your words that you have added to the scripture, as you do in most cases.
That's why you don't post the scripture, but only your opinion with a scripture "tag".

People seem to think that "tempations" and the "tempter" are only external. Yet they can not "prove" it by sight. And they can not because it is "internal" in our nature. It is also proven by evil present with(IN) us. Romans 7:21. This "evil present" is INTERNAL.

So is an evil conscience, an internal unmovable fact.

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Those in "truth" come before God with an honest/true heart regarding this matter of fact, and do now show up as liars about it.

IF we understand how we are made, we recognize that good/evil has been placed internally, into our construct.

Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

These are not external settings, but internal.

And yes, whatever particular "evil" has been set in anyone is theirs in particular to deal with, just as James shows.

James also shows that believers can and do have "devilish" wisdom, which is also INTERNAL.

James 3:15
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

 

[smaller]

There is also a very real penalty that comes with this territory, over time.

Believers get used to excusing and covering up their evil/defiling sin thoughts as not being evil defiling sin:

Matt. 5:28, Matt. 15:19-20 and Mark 7:21-23

And the result, the spiritual penalty, is that their flesh, their ground, their earth, get's overgrown with these "weeds" and they get turned into lying hypocrites of various fashions. They simply can not tell the truth about their own sins, their own evil thoughts, and they can not ever connect the dot to the wicked one. Such have been gamed by our adversary.

I think they'll be saved in any case. But it is very much a reality "in the church."

Isaiah 32:6
For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

This adverse working in them will result in them always excusing and denying they have internal evil defiling sin thoughts, while condemning others for theirs. This practice is seen in every "legalist" and in every "works for salvation" promoter.

They are simply dishonest, and they get turned into condemnation of others, justifications of self, and on and on it goes.

John was simple about this matter. IF we say we "have" no sin, present tense, "have" the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8.

 

[Hospes]

Smaller,

The only sense of concern I have in what you write is the wonder if you make an equivalency between the working of of God's indwelling spirit and Satan working in the flesh of a regenerated Christian. So, would you tell me how you see the difference between the two. (Let me know if I need to explain my question better.)

Hopefully, I did not miss where you addressed this in an earlier post.

Thanks.

 

[JLB]

Those enemies ARE the devil and his messengers who still have sway over the flesh.

They don't have sway over my flesh.

If you want to believe that the devil is in your flesh and you are a slave to the devil and have no power over him, and therefore live a life of sin, thinking that you are saved though you live a life given over to walk in the flesh....even though we are warned that those who practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God, but be sentenced to the everlasting fires of hell.
Galatians 5:19-21.
Matthew 25:41,46

Here is the Truth:

8 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18

He who has been born of God, keeps himself and the WICKED ONE DOES NOT TOUCH HIM.

DOES NOT TOUCH HIM.

What does; does not touch him, mean to you sir?


JLB

 

[smaller]

Smaller,

The only sense of concern I have in what you write is the wonder if you make an equivalency between the working of of God's indwelling spirit and Satan working in the flesh of a regenerated Christian.

I'm going to be very bold in this matter and point out the fact that our flesh does NOT have a spiritual relationship with God in Christ. The flesh is against the Spirit and contrary to the Spirit. Gal. 5:17. This changes NOT. The flesh is vile (Phil. 3:21) and I've used the N.T scriptures to show WHY this is so, numerous times in this thread. If you read through them, you may see.

But you might also understand that the FLESH will not agree, and that is because our flesh is subject to the tempter (and his own) An agency that is NOT US as believers. It is NOT that the flesh, which is a compilation of organic material, is evil. It is because, in our own construct, we have evil present with us. That evil present is the TEMPTER, internally tempting. Any believer who simply stops and thinks for just a minute, should be able to come to this understanding and speak honestly about it.

BUT, because there is another AGENCY involved, there will seldom be an honest conversation about it. Because there is a LIAR present in the conversations.

So, would you tell me how you see the difference between the two. (Let me know if I need to explain my question better.)

The subject has to be reverse engineered from the scriptures. We know from scriptures that the flesh is contrary to the Spirit and against the Spirit, and VICE VERSA.

The question is WHY! And that question, scripture answers. But it will only answer to ONE party to the matters, not the other. The other party will resist being discovered, every time, just like clockwork.

Hopefully, I did not miss where you addressed this in an earlier post.

Thanks.

I hope I've delineated that it is not a problem of the flesh itself, but what the flesh is 'subject' and 'subjected to' in the unseen arena. Believers who are not used to looking past the covers are not going to understand.

 

[smaller]

They don't have sway over my flesh.

Believers can claim anything they think about their flesh. We know from Paul that the flesh is contrary to the Spirit and against the Spirit. Gal. 5:17 is abundantly clear on this matter. As is Paul when he showed for example that TEMPTATION and evil sinning thoughts were IN his own flesh, including his MIND. Romans 7:7-13, Gal. 4:14, 2 Cor. 12:7. etc etc. You should have these memorized by now.

If you want to believe that the devil is in your flesh

I do believe that the flesh is subject and subjected to tempations of the tempter, beyond any doubt whatsoever. That's why "the flesh" is contrary to the Spirit. No one who is "in the flesh" can speak this fact. They can not. They are forced to justify their flesh by that other working, of the TEMPTER. And can not speak of it.

The instant any believer concedes to temptation being internal, AND being of the tempter, they should have the matter cleared up in about a 1/2 a second. But the other party will never allow that sight.

and you are a slave to the devil and have no power over him,

Having POWER over Satan, the tempter means, at the very least, to be able to differentiate and to speak honestly. When we LIE about it, and are hypocrites, we LOST the battle and are turned into LIARS by our enemy.

and therefore live a life of sin,

It has NOTHING to do with "living a life of sin."

We live our entire lives as sinners.

Paul stated "I am" the chief of sinners, AFTER salvation. 1 Tim. 1:15. Did Paul live a life of sin? No! He was a sinner, the chief of same, AFTER salvation, regardless.

If we don't see the messenger of Satan in Paul's own flesh, there is no way to see how that could be so with Paul. It was never a matter of "just Paul" to start with.

thinking that you are saved though you live a life given over to walk in the flesh

I'll not be made into a liar/hypocrite by indwelling sin, evil present or the tempter who operates in the flesh. The flesh of every believer IS factually against the Spirit and contrary to the Spirit REGARDLESS of their "walk." Gal. 5:17 isn't budging for any believer in any walk.

..even though we are warned that those who practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God, but be sentenced to the everlasting fires of hell.
Galatians 5:19-21.

I expect one of the parties below was being addressed in that:

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

IF we see that God saw Paul and God also saw the messenger of Satan in Paul's flesh, we might learn what it is to FEAR the Lord because HE IS looking with BOTH EYES.

Was Paul saved? Undoubtedly! Was the messenger of Satan? Assuredly NOT!

 

[for_his_glory]

Scriptures teach that ALL unbelievers are blinded by the "god of this world" in their minds, 2 Cor. 4:4 and that all unbelievers are under spiritual darkness, the power of Satan. Acts 26:18.

When believers fail to see this, they themselves are also blinded to this internal reality by that same working/worker.

Do you believe Satan was a son of God at one time before he rebelled against God and can we attain the character of Jesus reaching that righteous level of Jesus?

 

[smaller]

Do you believe Satan was a son of God at one time

Uh, an adamant NO! Never! JLB believes that though, so you might have that discussion with him.

before he rebelled against God

Satan was never "Holy" either. There is not one single statement in the scriptures showing Satan was a "Holy" angel who went south by making bad choices. It's a freewill camp fairytale. Jesus told us Satan was a murderer from the beginning. John 8:44, and has/had NO TRUTH in him, i.e. a patent liar.

God made Satan exactly what he is.

and can we attain the character of Jesus reaching that righteous level of Jesus?

There is Christ in us. Technically speaking, we died the day Christ came into our hearts.

We await His Perfection of Phil. 3:21. Til then, we all have our issues in the flesh.

 

[JLB]

the Spirit. Gal. 5:17 is abundantly clear on this matter. As is Paul when he showed for example that TEMPTATION and evil sinning thoughts were IN his own flesh, including his MIND. Romans 7:7-13, Gal. 4:14, 2 Cor. 12:7. etc etc. You should have these memorized by now.

Here is what is abundantly clear.

Those Christians who walk after the flesh, to practice the works of the flesh, will not be allowed into the kingdom of God, but rather they will inherit the fires of hell along with the devil and his angels.
Galatians 5:19-21

Your misunderstanding of
2 Corinthians 12:7 and Romans 7 and Romans 8, and especially
1 John 3:8 are well noted in this Forum.

Those who by the Spirit put to death the deeds of the flesh will live.
Romans 8:13


There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1

Hyper-Grace is Heresy.


JLB

 

[smaller]

Here is what is abundantly clear.

Those Christians who walk after the flesh,

All christians walk like this regardless of the delusions of the flesh:

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

When believers say they have no contrary against the Spirit flesh, they more than likely are NOT in all that much truth, if any.

 

[smaller]

IF a believer locked themselves in a vault, hooked themselves to an IV feeder, and never had any interactions with the world, would they still be a sinner?

lol

Gal. 3:22 has made it's very solid conclusion. It's not changing for anyone.

 

[smaller]

What's the easiest way for sin to defeat a believer?

When they say they have no sin or are not a sinner, if they ACT good on the outside.

Romans 7:
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.