Do you also therefore disagree that humility (opposite of pride) is voluntary? If so, how do you reconcile that with the multitude of Scripture where we are called to humble ourselves before God?
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I agree, but my contention with this, is that the above described pride can only exist when a person views God as a position of status, rather than The Perfect Spiritual quality of Character.
I deduce from Satan's expressed sentiments, that both his desire to be worshipped as God and his personal vanity, is all based on a false imagery of god. To summarize, he views god as the boss of all bosses, who tells everyone else what to do, and no one tells him what to do, who rules by keeping others subjugated through ignorance and fear of death.
But consider that If Satan could appreciate that God was in fact, the greatest servant to all, the hardest working and the last to eat, then such prideful reasoning wouldn't exist. Even the spirit of true worship and humility, is the product of the revealing of God's Perfect Character. Vanity, is ultimately taking God for granted in some form or another. As a created being, I find it impossible to not have some vanity. Even to think that we shouldn't have any vanity, is vanity.
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Douglas Summers
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That is strange fire to me. Do you think your teachings will draw a lost man to the Savior? What Gospel do you share / witness to the lost? What are your doctrines? knowing these things might help me to understand your post better.
I understand your response. I assure you, everything I've said serves the Gospel.
The term 'Christ' means, the True Image of God sent by God. The purpose of the Christ is so that those who believe in this True Image of God, will through faith be saved and transformed. It necessarily must follow that if one must believe in this True Image to become a child of God, then we, by default, must have a false image of god at the core of our reasoning. Otherwise, there would be no need to send a True Image of God to believe in. Where did this false image come from? It was sown into mankind in the Garden of Eden by Satan, which caused man's fall. Genesis 3:4-5. 2 Corinthians 4:4. 2 Corinthians 4:6.
Yes I am deferring it to Paul and absolutely all others who are in Christ that spread His word throughout the world and are being persecuted daily even to death for the sake of Christ. Anyone who has picked up their cross to follow in the footsteps of Christ need to know persecutions are real and like Paul knew that no matter what he had to endure Gods grace was sufficient and for all Gods strength is made perfect in our weakness.
Yes, the messenger of Satan buffeted Paul's own flesh as pretty much any student of the Bible knows this and even Christians today are being tormented in the flesh by the same messenger Satan used on Paul and many others. 2Corinthians 6:3-10 is for all who are servants of God just as Paul was. How can anyone deny these scriptures.
2Co 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
2Co 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
2Co 6:9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
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That messenger of Satan, by Paul's word, was "in" his own flesh.
Think about this for a moment, any reader. IF this is true, then can it stand to reason that God was entirely FOR and in behalf of Paul, by Every Word of God,
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Simultaneously against the messenger of Satan in Paul's flesh, also by Every Word of God?
Paul speaks to this exact matter in Romans 9:18-19. Also in 2 Tim. 2:20-21. Also in many other places and ways, both in the O.T. and the N.T.
The messenger of Satan in Paul's own flesh made his flesh contrary to and against the Spirit, and vice versa. Gal. 4:29, Gal. 5:17.
Only one of the parties, Paul, was saved. The other, not a chance.
Jesus shows us the same things here:
Matthew 24:40
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:41
Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luke 17:34
I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
I'm, being sincere about this. If you would step back for a moment and maybe read through some of the other posts by other members we have all agreed with you on the point that flesh is contrary to the Spirit as the messenger of Satan buffeted Paul in the flesh just like many of us today that are buffeted in the flesh. Do we dwell on the afflictions, no as that gives place to the Devil. Just like Paul, Gods grace is sufficient when we are weak in the flesh as God strengthens us to finish the race set before us.
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Nice appeal to the populace but that isn't the case.
Why in the world would these facts be covered up, rather than EXPOSED?!
Psalm 18:28
For thou wilt light my candle: the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness.
Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
I am quite fond of Gods Divine Judgments against all sin, evil and eventually death. BUT, because this hits rather close to home in the sight of the above, that being the adversity we have IS in our own flesh, our enemies, it tends to hit a lot of nerves of the fleshly influence kind. Which is exactly what is supposed to transpire.
And seeing that Jesus, post resurrection, took the time to address the works of Satan in the churches MEMBERS, ALL, there is perhaps somethings to be heard that are not fond of being heard. Ya think? There are very REAL parties that DON'T want to hear of that.
I am cognizant of that resistance in the flesh of the members, and do not see "just the person."
My hope is that God turns UP the volume.
Hebrews 12:26
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
I might add further that those who are 'comfortable' and 'make alliances, coverups and excuses' for our enemies, with that which is contrary to and against the Spirit might see that it is every BIT on His Agenda of putting down all of that, by His Own Power.
Be ready for that. Or not, as the case may apply depending on the web spinner.
Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
No body is covering up any facts as Satan will continue to persecute us and try to get us to turn away from God for that is his works in our flesh. Are we going to surrender to Satan so the persecutions will stop, or are we going to be like Paul who put more trust in the Lord than he did his own flesh as Christ gave Paul and all of us that strength to stand against Satan when we are weak. No one can stand against Satan on their own and only by the grace of God do we have victory over Satan no matter what he does in our flesh, but apparently you can not see that or choice to ignore that of the victory Jesus already won for us.
markathome
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Who changed it?
Lucifer הֵילֵל
ללOה = L. O God
ללה = lala = for myself/me
ללהa = A lala
אללה = Allah
Luo pronounced loo-ah
Luci Luca Lucu
ALuci
ALuca-ah
If the gematria was correct for the Hebrew we would end up with either
waw/vav-shin-cheth or cheth-shin-waw/vav (Chess)
666 = ושח or חשו
is waw/vav-shin-cheth waw-i-cheth W-i-cheth Witch
and in Hebrew if this was on a flag it'll look like this?
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It appears that you do see 2 parties present. That's always the point of observations of the Spirit. There is the believer and there is the working of our enemies in our own flesh.
What applies to us applies in the positive sense applies in the opposite sense to our enemies in the flesh. Believers have a forced tendency from the enemy in the flesh to see themselves as only them, as an individual. Scripture does not give us that sight, in the Spirit.
We see ourselves as children of God, and we are honest not to extend any of Gods Grace or Mercy to the enemy in the flesh, simultaneously. These get the opposing dictates of God in Christ.
We live by Every Word of God. That will not apply to Satan and his messengers. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. There is LIFE in the wrath and damnation Words of God. They are FOR us, in our behalf precisely because they are against our enemies IN THE FLESH.
Hard place to get to, because the opposition in the flesh is real and the opposition in the flesh won't hear of it, and can't hear of it. They are meant to resist every Word of God. Particularly on this subject matter.
Mark 4:
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Matt. 13:
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Anywhere christians engage each others in Word, the above happens. We think it's just us as individuals, but there are other players to the drama of the wicked sort, that can not be seen, also engaging. And probably having quite a lot of adverse fun by the confusions they cause.
I've always seen two parties as one being the very Spirit of God and that of Satan using his messenger to buffet us in the flesh. If you would have presented with this post to begin with then there would have been no need for all the other ones. I have one question, what do you mean by there is life in the wrath? Are you referring to Ephesians 1:13?
Who changed it?
Lucifer הֵילֵל
ללOה = L. O God
ללה = lala = for myself/me
ללהa = A lala
אללה = Allah
Luo pronounced loo-ah
Luci Luca Lucu
ALuci
ALuca-ah
If the gematria was correct for the Hebrew we would end up with either
waw/vav-shin-cheth or cheth-shin-waw/vav (Chess)
666 = ושח or חשו
is waw/vav-shin-cheth waw-i-cheth W-i-cheth Witch
and in Hebrew if this was on a flag it'll look like this?
tch
In the Roman language Lucifer was the name given to the morning star Venus. The morning star appears in the sky just before dawn. In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can be translated as Day star, son of the Dawn. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor Day star, son of the Dawn, as Lucifer, and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place from the Latin in that of interpreting Lucifer into a fallen angel now named Satan. In the original Hebrew day star, son of the dawn is used, but not for that of Satan, but for the king of Babylon. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light (Jesus) to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded.
The name Satan comes from a Hebrew word sah-TAHN which means adversary as in signifying an enemy, and an accuser, father of lies.
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If we understand that our flesh is contrary to the Spirit and against the Spirit and vice versa then it is not difficult to perceive when we see the operations of the enemy(s) therein.
Wrath is entirely meant for them. And yes, we are very much mindful that the HOPE of the Gospel is to DITCH the vile against the Spirit contrary to the Spirit flesh, BECAUSE of the enemy(s) therein who are under wrath, awaiting final judgments. Gal. 4:29, Gal. 5:17.
The church members are actually supposed to be lining up first, for and to that end (Phil. 3:21):
1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Thank you as I was hoping that was what you meant.
Douglas Summers
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- Strong's Hebrew: 7854. שָׂטָן (satan) -- adversary, also ...
biblehub.com/hebrew/7854.htm
adversary, Satan, withstand . From satan; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed)Satan, the arch-enemy of good -- adversary, Satan, withstand.
It is beyond what little I know about the Hebrew Language to follow your post. I found this on line.
Douglas Summers
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So Lucifer becomes an adversary of God, Christ has come to destroy the works of Satan, that Christ fulfills with His glory and shines as the bright and morning star that God intended.