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Seriously.. whom is the tribulation actually for.

Kathi said:
Matthew 24:5-8. And I have already posted the 2 Timothy signs.
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Mat 24:5 for many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they shall lead many astray,
Mat 24:6 and ye shall begin to hear of wars, and reports of wars; see, be not troubled, for it behoveth all these to come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 `For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places;
Mat 24:8 and all these are the beginning of sorrows;

What here is specific to this generation? ALL these things were happening in the OT never mind the NT or the years since.

2Ti 3:1 And this know thou, that in the last days there shall come perilous times,

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

It seems to me Paul is telling Timothy about something that will occur that Timothy needs to know about and Paul tells him, "But you continue preaching and teaching the things that I have taught you, don't pay those evil men no mind. You will not be deceived."

I just don't see anything specific that points at this generation that we are living in. :shrug
 
Deborah13 said:
Mat 24:5 for many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they shall lead many astray,
Mat 24:6 and ye shall begin to hear of wars, and reports of wars; see, be not troubled, for it behoveth all these to come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 `For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places;
Mat 24:8 and all these are the beginning of sorrows;

What here is specific to this generation? ALL these things were happening in the OT never mind the NT or the years since.

2Ti 3:1 And this know thou, that in the last days there shall come perilous times,

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

It seems to me Paul is telling Timothy about something that will occur that Timothy needs to know about and Paul tells him, "But you continue preaching and teaching the things that I have taught you, don't pay those evil men no mind. You will not be deceived."

I just don't see anything specific that points at this generation that we are living in. :shrug
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To each their own.
 
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

that one gets skipped over so often..
 
reba said:
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

that one gets skipped over so often..
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Yes God's people have always suffered persecution, even by those who proclaimed God's name.
 
Deborah13 said:
JLB said: ↑
Amen.

The Generation that sees the signs that He gave, will witness His return.



What signs are you referring to that we have seen?
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Wars and rumors of wars.

Earth quakes in various places...
 
Gary said:
That's true, but the severity of these occurrences is increasing.
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How do we know? Not all earthquakes have been recorded through time, only the most severe. Some of those were very severe but there was no way to record their strength as there is now. :shrug
"1755 copper engraving depicting Lisbon in ruins and in flames after the 1755 Lisbon earthquake, which killed an estimated 60,000 people. A tsunami overwhelms the ships in the harbor."
"An image from a 1557 book" shows stone buildings falling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Historical_views
The Greek philosophers of the 5th and 6th century BCE had different theories about the cause of earthquakes. Most believed that it had something to do with water.
 
Deborah13 said:
When has there never been, these things?
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wars and rumors of wars... nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places...

All during the same time as each other in greater frequency?


JLB
 
Kathi said:
I believe that the resurrection and the rapture is before the tribulation.I do not believe that the Church will go through the tribulation.I believe that the believers bodies that have been in the gravy will be resurrected to meet their souls in heaven.I think that the Church will then be raptured.Then the tribulation.How long will the tribulation occur after the rapture???I do not know.But that is my belief.I am not going to tell others that is the only way it will happen.That is what I see when I read Scripture literally.Others have other views and that is their choice.I am prepared if it happens differently than what I believe.
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Hello Kathi...The trib will last seven years in all, being the last of Daniel's prophecy of seventy weeks. One has to rightly divide the Word of truth and needs to look beyond the writings of Paul as well as Rev.Please read and study Daniel 9 to get the full understanding. The bible is very clear on a literal 7 year tribulation. I agree with you we need not have division over biblical writings in the bible. I do pray we all agree the basic's of salvation is through Jesus Christ alone.. his death,burial and resurrection and believe it from the heart.
In Christ Rich
 
Are Earthquakes Really on the Increase?


We continue to be asked by many people throughout the world if earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more than 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years. The NEIC now locates about 20,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 50 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in the environment and natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes.

According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 17 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/increase_in_earthquakes.php
 
reba said:
Are Earthquakes Really on the Increase?


We continue to be asked by many people throughout the world if earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

A partial explanation may lie in the fact that in the last twenty years, we have definitely had an increase in the number of earthquakes we have been able to locate each year. This is because of the tremendous increase in the number of seismograph stations in the world and the many improvements in global communications. In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more than 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years. The NEIC now locates about 20,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 50 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in the environment and natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes.

According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 17 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/increase_in_earthquakes.php
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wars and rumors of wars... nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places...

All during the same time as each other in greater frequency?

All these happening together represent the birth pangs.

Birth pangs happen with more and more frequency until the climax.


It's not just earthquakes, its all of these things happening, and happening with more frequency.


There is only one Second coming, and that's at the end of the age, on the last day!


28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
 
JLB said:
wars and rumors of wars... nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places...

All during the same time as each other in greater frequency?

All these happening together represent the birth pangs.

Birth pangs happen with more and more frequency until the climax.


It's not just earthquakes, its all of these things happening, and happening with more frequency.


There is only one Second coming, and that's at the end of the age, on the last day!


28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
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Anytime there is pestilence in an area, famine follows. Anytime there is drought, famine follows especially now in third world countries. This world does not have anywhere near the pestilence and famine suffered in previous generations. Read history and you will see that.
The drought of the 1930's brought famine. The invasion of locust in Utah in 1875 caused total crop destruction across much of the southwest.
 
Let's try it again -

wars and rumors of wars... nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places...

All during the same time as each other in greater frequency?

All these happening together represent the birth pangs.

Birth pangs happen with more and more frequency until the climax.


It's not just earthquakes, its all of these things happening, and happening with more frequency.


There is only one Second coming, and that's at the end of the age, on the last day!


28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28



Are you teaching that Jesus has already come a second time?



JLB
 
JLB said:
Let's try it again -

wars and rumors of wars... nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places...

All during the same time as each other in greater frequency?

All these happening together represent the birth pangs.

Birth pangs happen with more and more frequency until the climax.


It's not just earthquakes, its all of these things happening, and happening with more frequency.


There is only one Second coming, and that's at the end of the age, on the last day!


28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28



Are you teaching that Jesus has already come a second time?



JLB
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nope
 
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