Bible Study Should Christian women be able to teach Christian men?

[Adoration]

So sorry.... I placed this comment on the wrong thread....

 

[for_his_glory]

It os based on the fact that God created man first to be the head of the woman, and the leader of the Church behind Christ.

Please give me the scriptures in Genesis that states the man was created to be the head of the woman as that is not what is written in Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2.

The masculine language is often used to incorporate women in scripture just like Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2. It's the same with using the word "brethren" as it refers to both male and female from the first page of scripture to the last page of scripture. Paul never wrote that women could not be preachers, but that to be silent in the church with their babbling and question asking during the services as you can search out the history of Corinth and the women in the church. If Paul commanded women not to take authority over men, then he would have come against God in whom He used many mighty women who took authority over Israel.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Yes, Paul said what he said to Timothy.
Eve was created as a help mate, not to be put in charge.
Husband and wife working in any ministry is a blessing.
My wife and I do evangelism together.
She really reaches out to everyone.
But if they ask a difficult question, she refers them to me.

Amen! I can understand what you are saying, but have you read?

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Love, Walter

 

[Hopeful]

Please give me the scriptures in Genesis that states the man was created to be the head of the woman as that is not what is written in Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2.

The masculine language is often used to incorporate women in scripture just like Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2. It's the same with using the word "brethren" as it refers to both male and female from the first page of scripture to the last page of scripture. Paul never wrote that women could not be preachers,

If you mean groups of men and women, you are mistaken.
It is written..."But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

but that to be silent in the church with their babbling and question asking during the services as you can search out the history of Corinth and the women in the church. If Paul commanded women not to take authority over men, then he would have come against God in whom He used many mighty women who took authority over Israel.

A few, over Israel of the OT.
Though Deborah is the only one I can think of right now.
None in the NT.
I consider Paul's words in 1 Tim 2:12 to be a command for us today.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If you mean groups of men and women, you are mistaken.
It is written..."But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

A few, over Israel of the OT.
Though Deborah is the only one I can think of right now.
None in the NT.
I consider Paul's words in 1 Tim 2:12 to be a command for us today.

Deborah was not a religious leader.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Please give me the scriptures in Genesis that states the man was created to be the head of the woman as that is not what is written in Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2.

The masculine language is often used to incorporate women in scripture just like Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2. It's the same with using the word "brethren" as it refers to both male and female from the first page of scripture to the last page of scripture. Paul never wrote that women could not be preachers, but that to be silent in the church with their babbling and question asking during the services as you can search out the history of Corinth and the women in the church. If Paul commanded women not to take authority over men, then he would have come against God in whom He used many mighty women who took authority over Israel.

The questionable history of Corinth on this subject is hardly relevant.
You keep asking people for Scripture but then you go outside of Scripture to come up with your answer.
Not at all convincing.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Amen! I can understand what you are saying, but have you read?

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Love, Walter

Yes, but have you read?

Genesis 2:18; The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

 

[Doug Brents]

Please give me the scriptures in Genesis that states the man was created to be the head of the woman as that is not what is written in Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2.

The masculine language is often used to incorporate women in scripture just like Genesis 1:26-27 and 5:1-2. It's the same with using the word "brethren" as it refers to both male and female from the first page of scripture to the last page of scripture. Paul never wrote that women could not be preachers, but that to be silent in the church with their babbling and question asking during the services as you can search out the history of Corinth and the women in the church. If Paul commanded women not to take authority over men, then he would have come against God in whom He used many mighty women who took authority over Israel.

While I agree that it is frequently the case that women are included in language, like “brethren”, it is not always the case.

An example is found in 1 Cor 11:3 (which also answers your other question, in part),
“But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.”
Here, the genders are quite exclusive. And the hierarchy is quite evident.
To finish answering your question about where “in Genesis” the man is stated to be the head, look at Hen 3:16b:
“… Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”

Is this a symptom of the Fall? or is it God’s original intent? It doesn’t matter. This is the way it is in our world, by God’s command, and this is the way we should act.

 

[Doug Brents]

Deborah was not a religious leader.

Plus, she is an Old Testament personage. Since the New Covenant supersedes the Old, she would be wrong to take that authority.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Yes, but have you read?

Genesis 2:18; The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

Yes Sir, for that I'm grateful, we have been a team working together with the things that the LORD has provided for us.

Love, Walter

 

[Hopeful]

Deborah was not a religious leader.

Ok...
Then I can think of no women "religious" leaders in the OT.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Deborah was not a religious leader.

According to the Book of Judges, Deborah (Hebrew: דְּבוֹרָה‎, Dəḇōrāh, "bee"; Arabic: دبوراه‎, Dabūrāh) was a prophetess of the God of the Israelites, the fourth Judge of pre-monarchic Israel and the only female judge mentioned in the Bible.

Many scholars contend that the phrase, "a woman of Lappidot", as translated from biblical Hebrew in Judges 4:4 denotes her marital status as the wife of Lappidot, or "Lappidoth" as listed in many Bible translations.[1] Alternatively, "lappid"[1] translates as "torch" or "lightning", therefore the phrase, "woman of Lappidot" could be referencing Deborah as a "fiery woman."[2] Deborah told Barak, an Israelite general[1] from Kedesh in Naphtali, that God commanded him to lead an attack against the forces of Jabin king of Canaan and his military commander Sisera (Judges 4:6–7); the entire narrative is recounted in chapter 4.

Judges chapter 5 gives the same story in poetic form. This passage, often called The Song of Deborah, may date to as early as the twelfth century BC,[3] and is perhaps the earliest sample of Hebrew poetry.

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Love, Walter

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

According to the Book of Judges, Deborah (Hebrew: דְּבוֹרָה‎, Dəḇōrāh, "bee"; Arabic: دبوراه‎, Dabūrāh) was a prophetess of the God of the Israelites, the fourth Judge of pre-monarchic Israel and the only female judge mentioned in the Bible.

Many scholars contend that the phrase, "a woman of Lappidot", as translated from biblical Hebrew in Judges 4:4 denotes her marital status as the wife of Lappidot, or "Lappidoth" as listed in many Bible translations.[1] Alternatively, "lappid"[1] translates as "torch" or "lightning", therefore the phrase, "woman of Lappidot" could be referencing Deborah as a "fiery woman."[2] Deborah told Barak, an Israelite general[1] from Kedesh in Naphtali, that God commanded him to lead an attack against the forces of Jabin king of Canaan and his military commander Sisera (Judges 4:6–7); the entire narrative is recounted in chapter 4.

Judges chapter 5 gives the same story in poetic form. This passage, often called The Song of Deborah, may date to as early as the twelfth century BC,[3] and is perhaps the earliest sample of Hebrew poetry.

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Love, Walter

Here's a good Sunday morning sermon.
No one should miss it.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Here's a good Sunday morning sermon.
No one should miss it.

Amen! great video, there is always room at His table.

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[for_his_glory]

While I agree that it is frequently the case that women are included in language, like “brethren”, it is not always the case.

An example is found in 1 Cor 11:3 (which also answers your other question, in part),
“But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.”
Here, the genders are quite exclusive. And the hierarchy is quite evident.
To finish answering your question about where “in Genesis” the man is stated to be the head, look at Hen 3:16b:
“… Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”

Is this a symptom of the Fall? or is it God’s original intent? It doesn’t matter. This is the way it is in our world, by God’s command, and this is the way we should act.

I believe the fall messed up everything that God intended in the beginning. All I can say is it is God that calls, anoints and places those He choses in His ministry here on earth with no respect of gender, but to they who follow His will.

 

[Doug Brents]

I believe the fall messed up everything that God intended in the beginning. All I can say is it is God that calls, anoints and places those He choses in His ministry here on earth with no respect of gender, but to they who follow His will.

Agreed. And with the explicit command for women not to usurp authority over a man, we can know that any call for a woman to do so does not come from God.

 

[Adoration]

Agreed. And with the explicit command for women not to usurp authority over a man, we can know that any call for a woman to do so does not come from God.

and that is why I shall never marry.... LOL

 

[Doug Brents]

and that is why I shall never marry.... LOL

I don’t understand.

You are bound to the same command whether you are married or not. It makes no difference.

This does not mean that the husband should be a dictator, or a tyrant. Rather, the final responsibility rests on his shoulders. He can take input from his wife, but the responsibility for the outcome of any decisions made, or any actions taken by anyone in the family, are his. Just like the Captain of a ship is responsible for the actions of his crew, even if he is not aware of them at the time.

 

[Adoration]

I don’t understand.

You are bound to the same command whether you are married or not. It makes no difference.

This does not mean that the husband should be a dictator, or a tyrant. Rather, the final responsibility rests on his shoulders. He can take input from his wife, but the responsibility for the outcome of any decisions made, or any actions taken by anyone in the family, are his. Just like the Captain of a ship is responsible for the actions of his crew, even if he is not aware of them at the time.

Forgive me... my comment was meant to be funny... rather than serious...

However... YES.... I have chosen not to consider marriage due to the fact that I have trust issues with men.
This rule does not affect me because I have no men in my life. I did not mean disrespect.

 

[for_his_glory]

Agreed. And with the explicit command for women not to usurp authority over a man, we can know that any call for a woman to do so does not come from God.

I have to respectfully disagree as I am a woman that was called and anointed of God to teach whoever God puts in my journeys path whether a group of men as I have in the Prison Ministry church service that is no different then any other church service, or just one man. Who are we to second guess those who God calls, even if for a season and purpose of His own making.

Why did Paul tell women to keep silent, look up the history of the unruliness of the women in the church in Corinth and come to your own conclusions. Paul never said a women should not teach men, but to not take away from a Spiritual man that God has called to be the shepherd of his flock.

1Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Women who are in the church, like that at Corinth, were told to keep quiet during the service and ask their husbands questions when they were at home if they wanted to learn. Many of these women were trying to teach heresies as they had no truth found in them and were completely out of order. Now go and read 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 as we read the same thing there in vs. 33-35 as it speaks about confusion in the church.

So many are taught that women are not allowed to teach men, but this would also contradict what Paul said in 1Corinthians 11:5 which indicates that women were also praying and prophesying in the church. Paul gives them instructions on how to do this the right way that allows the women to speak, but at the same time honors male leadership in giving instructions that all things are done in proper order.