Bible Study Speaking in Tongues

[Abiyah]

If I may add....

Hello All !

There are alot of posts under this thread... wow and I find this topic to be very interesting. So I just wanted to add how I have always understood the speaking in tongues as it is utilized in the Bible. The scripture that was quoted in the begining of this thread I Cor. 14:2 I like to use both the Hebrew and Greek dictionaries to translate some of the words in the Bible and take them back to there originally meaning because I am trying to obtain a better understanding of what may be actually being said. Because the King James Bible was translated from it's original languages, those being Hebrew, Aramaic, Chaldee, and the New Testament being Greek, all these were translated into English. So on that note I know that the word " Tongue " in it's orginal Greek is Glossa = Which means A LANGUAGE. And these brackets is [ just me explaing my understanding ] . I think that anyone that is a TRUE teacher of God's Word, has the Gift from God to be able to do so [I Cor. 14:1]; and to me it is a Gift for one to be able to teach the True Word of God, in which they are lead, guided, and directed to do so by our Heavenly Father.


I Corithians 14:2
" For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue [ an unknown language such as French, Spanish, German, etc. ] speaketh NOT unto men, But God [ Because God understands all languagues]; FOR NO MAN UNDERSTAND HIM [ If you teach God's Word in English to a large congregation of Spanish speaking peoples how can they understand you ? They won't even know when to say Amen right ? I mean God and His angels will understand you, but they won't ] Howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. " [ Your spirit is the intellect of your soul, so although he speaketh mysteries og the WOrd of God, no one can understand him, because this congreation speaks Spanish.]

And the scripture goes on to say that....

I Corinthians 14:3
" But he that PROPHESIETH [ meaning teacheth ] speaketh unto men to EDIFICATION, AND EXHORTATION, AND COMFORT. "

To edify with the Word of God is to instruct & improve ones knowledge of the Word of God, to enlighten & inform them in Truth, to build them up in the Word of God. To exhort one is to give warning or advice through and with the Word of God, to incite or encourage them through the Word of God, and to comfort one, and God's Word brings comfort, peace of mind.


And it also says.....

I Cor. 14:4
" He that speaketh in an UNKOWN TONGUE [ Unkown Language ] edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth [ teacheth ] edifieth the church. "

According to this Scripture, this teacher that speaketh and teacheth in an unknown language "ONLY" edifies himself.... that can't be good, right ? I mean if they DO NOT UNDERSTAND HIS SPEECH, how can they learn and receive that edification that God has instructed them to give to his children ?


And last, this Scripture here makes me understand that the "tongue" that is spoken of here in THESE verses of this chapter is "languages".

I Cor. 14:5
" I would that ye all spake with tongues [ this words translates as languages from the Greek ] , but rather ye prophesied [ teach ] ; FOR GREATER IS HE THAT PROPHESIETH THAN HE THAT SPEAKETH WITH TONGUES [ bascially, this is saying to me that greater is one that teaches the Word of God rather than he that speaks many different languages or is bi-lingual], EXCEPT HE INTERPRET [ That the teacher bring an interpreter with him ] , that the church may receive edifying.


After this the verses goes on to say basically you'll be like in musical instrument playing out of harmony which is utilized as a metaphor.

I Cor. 14:9
" So likewise ye, EXCEPT TO UTTER BY THE TONGUE [language] WORDS EASY TO BE UNDERSTOOD, HOW SHALL IT BE KNOWN WHAT IS SPOKEN ? [ It won't be known for they do not understand that particular language you are speaking in ] For ye shall speak into the air. " [ You'll be talking to the air, needs no interpretation do you think ? ]

I Cor. 14: 10
" There are, it may be, SO MANY KINDS OF VOICES [ this word voices which is from the Greek isPhone, which means articulate, a tone, saying or language] IN THE WORLD, and none of them is wothout significance. "

And this goes on to tell us that we should allow God's Word to do the edifying, and that he that is speaking in an unknown language pray that he can make God's message understood to the hearer, by interpreting.

Just to quicly add that the "tongue' spoken in Acts chapter 2: 4-13 is from the Greek word Dialektos = Which means LANGUAGE DIALECT. This 'tongue" that was spoken on Pentecost Day was a supernatural gift of speaking in another language, WITHOUT it having ever been learned by those who spoke it. They were speaking in every language of the world all at one time, so that the hearer actually heard it right down to the dialect of his very home town. They all heard God's Word in their very own language all at once, which is evidence of the Holy Spirit. Now all that I have written outside of God's Word is my view that I wanted to share with you, and not to push it on you or not to say that what is written in the other posts is wrong. I do also speak to God with my spirit, in English tongue or better said, in the English language.

Abiyah

 

[Merry Menagerie]

1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

It is plain here. He who speaks in an UNKNOWN TONGUE speaks NOT unto MAN but unto GOD. For no man understandeth him! Howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

If I went into a church and spoke in chinese adn there were no one in the congregation who understood chinese then it would be considered an UNKNOWN TONGUE that NO MAN understood, therefore, in the spirit, I'd be speaking mysteries that didn't benefit the church.

Remember Paul was correcting the church and mentioned that speaking in an unknown tongue did not edify the church because no one understood then he went on to speak about the 'understanding'. Now if my tongue was chinese and I went to china and spoke in tongues there..the whole congregation would undestand and there would be no need for interpretation, unless of course there were those in the congregation who didn't understand chinese.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Right on, both Abiyah and Merry menag!

 

[Abiyah]

GoodMorning!

Right on, both Abiyah and Merry menag!

:D Thank you SputnikBoy !

 

[Cameron]

We definitely can't be dogmatic on this issue.
We know God instituted it.
We know Christians have spoken in tongues both rightly and wrongly in the past.
We know that there was a need for corrective teaching.
We know God could reinstitute tongues as He wills (Acts 2:4).
We do not know what they sounded like in the first century. However, if we just take Acts 2 in a plain and simple sense it appears to verify the idea that tongues was understood by all men in whatever native tongue the knew. (Acts 2:6). Each man listening was hearing it already in His own language. So, at least in Acts 2, Peter spoke in tongues and a Carthagian, Spartan and Gual would each hear Peter as if he spoke in their mother tongue. Tongues = Universal Translator of the First Century.
Of course this makes sense in light of the curse of the Tower of Babel.
God did not want man united in rebellion, but He does want men united in Christ.

 

[lovely]

Cameron wrote:

Of course this makes sense in light of the curse of the Tower of Babel.
God did not want man united in rebellion, but He does want men united in Christ.

This is very interesting...I never thought about this connection. Thank you.
Blessings

 

[Free]

Absolutely.

God is triune in His being, three but one.

God became man, divinity and humanity became one being, this is incarnation.

By faith.

The answer to all those questions I asked is this one:

"Now if you as me what the inner most dynamics are I'll tell you I don't know."

Statements such as "God is triune in His being, three but one," merely convey an idea of something much more abstract and incomprehensible. The bottom line is that there are aspects of Christianity that remain mysterious and will always remain that way until Christ returns.

Jesus has returned..... He's in your regenerated spirit. Or so God tells us in His word.

O come now, cj, you know what I meant. If that was the key to understanding all the mysteries of the faith then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

There is nothing mysterious about the speaking in tongues. No tongue is spoken in the presence of another without an interpretation.

Really? You don't find it mysterious that someone can speak in a language that they do not know and that someone else who doesn't know that language can interpret it?

Tell me Free, how did God move in His ark?

And yes, it is very much related to this topic, as today, the ark is the saved man.

This begs the question: was God in the ark or was the ark just a symbol of His presence?

Exo 25:21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you.
Exo 25:22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

There is no way to truly understand the matter of tongues other than in the understanding of the practice of speaking in tongues.

So if you have never spoken in tongues, how can you truly understand the matter of tongues? According to your statement, and I fully agree, you can't. This is one of the biggest problems in Christianity: people have too many opinions on things of which they are completely ignorant.

Granted. However, the contents of the letter Paul wrote to the Church of Corinth were addressing issues concerning THEM, not us.

Then we can also dismiss all of Paul's other concerns he wrote about to the churches. Tell me: do you think women can be pastors? Is it okay to have sin in the church? How about that which isn't even found among the unrighteous?

The instruction (with exceptions) aimed at some misguided people in that church really doesn't concern us. Then again, when we hear what goes on in some charismatic churches, maybe it does!

Your last sentence is it exactly. The majority of Pentecostals should be using that passage as a guide, since many of them do it that exact same way.

It's my understanding that tongues were given for a specific purpose and for a specific period of time.

Yes, the claim is made but cannot be supported from Scripture. Isn't it funny that people will say that being "slain in the Spirit" isn't of God because it isn't in the Bible, while out the other side of their mouths claim that tongues have ceased without any support from Scripture?

Today they are no longer necessary and, as the Bible indicates by its silence on this particular matter after 1 Corinthians, they eventually ceased.

The familiar saying fits in here: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". It is fallacious to make such a claim. Not only that, if you like we could step through the NT and see where it ceases being silent on many things and come to all sorts of wrong conclusions.

Only in rare instances would God see fit to give someone this ability with which to relate the good news of salvation.

But you just finished saying that tongues ceased and are no longer necessary. Have they or have they not ceased? Are they or are they not necessary?

It simply DOES NOT happen today, certainly not in Pentecostal churches. We have the complete Bible today and the scriptures are available in pretty well EVERY earthly language. So, no need for tongues. They had their purpose and then they ceased.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. That really is no way to make an argument. I will let you sort them out and then provide evidence for each individual claim you are making there.

If I went into a church and spoke in chinese adn there were no one in the congregation who understood chinese then it would be considered an UNKNOWN TONGUE that NO MAN understood, therefore, in the spirit, I'd be speaking mysteries that didn't benefit the church.

But this misses the point made in 1 Cor. 14 that tongues was unknown to the speaker. Your point assumes the opposite.

So, at least in Acts 2, Peter spoke in tongues and a Carthagian, Spartan and Gual would each hear Peter as if he spoke in their mother tongue. Tongues = Universal Translator of the First Century.

I have often thought about that, but then it would have been called the gift of hearing, not tongues. Other than that, I agree with your post.

 

[Julian Pyke]

Again, the issue is slightly off track.

We all KNOW Speaking in Tongues as in you say something in tongues you don't know but you are speaking in the heares native tongue is real. Because itw as in the Bible.

But the issue of tongues I am dealing with is is it your Spirit Man talking to God.

Alot of answers I heard to this question on this topic was personal reference that made your decision.

I mean, I think the verse I have provided is clear:

he who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks NOT unto man.

Someone said because that man doesn't understand it. But somewhere in the world someone does.

yet I go on to say BUT UNTO GOD.

So, they don't speak to any man BUT they speak to GOD.

FOR IN THE SPIRIT he speaketh mysteries.

His SPIRIT is speaking and its a mystery to us.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Free wrote:

Merry wrote:
If I went into a church and spoke in chinese adn there were no one in the congregation who understood chinese then it would be considered an UNKNOWN TONGUE that NO MAN understood, therefore, in the spirit, I'd be speaking mysteries that didn't benefit the church.

But this misses the point made in 1 Cor. 14 that tongues was unknown to the speaker. Your point assumes the opposite.

Well let me fix that up then....

If my gifting was the chinese tongue and I didn't understand it myself and if I went into a church and spoke in chinese adn there were no one in the congregation who understood chinese then it would be considered an UNKNOWN TONGUE that NO MAN understood, therefore, in the spirit, I'd be speaking mysteries that didn't benefit the church.

Is that better?

 

[Julian Pyke]

But why are you speaking to God in "Chineese" when you could speak to him in your native tongue.

You just totally took the first tongues issue out of contex in the sense when you speak in tongues you speak all languages... like tehre could be three different races that you are talking to in tongues and they each hear in their native tongue.

Anyway, in the verse that NO MAN understandeth him. If that were the case that some men would understand, why not say that SOME MAN understandeth him.

That verse is talking about your SPIRIT speaking to GOD.

 

[Cameron]

Free,
I love that "the gift of hearing".
I suppose that would be more akin to the the spiritual eyes of the heart or what we might call discernment. But nevertheless, regardless of the humor, which I think is great, the gift and even tof Pentecost is centered on glorifying God through the use of tongues given to this man, Peter, in Acts 2 to communicate to men in their mother tongue simultaneously. That is called supernatural! I don't suppose I knwo how it works. If I could guess, let's see, it may be that the original language before the Flood would be intelligible as if it were our mother tongues. But even that is too fleshy of an assumption.

I think I'll take Act 2 for what it says. Peter spoke and many men from many different mother tongues all heard and understood in their own tongue. Definitely not a gift of hearing, for they heard in their own tongue. Rather it was some supernatural broadcast called tongues. It's just like the angel that flies in heaven declaring the Gospel in Rev. 14, do you think the world will hear and understand? How about Heaven, will you get a new language and understand other that way? Tongues, at least in Acts 2 is way more complex and supernatural than our carnal minds can comprehend.

 

[cj]

The answer to all those questions I asked is this one:

"Now if you as me what the inner most dynamics are I'll tell you I don't know."

No, I don't agree.

The inner workings of God is not for our understanding.

Who can explain "IAm", and yet, scripture (which is something that I believe we both need to come back to) declares in Colossians  1 : 10,...

"To walk worthily of the Lord to please Him in all things, bearing fruit in every good work and growing... by the full knowledge of God,"

So do we have a contradiction here?

No, just a lack of understanding of what the reality of a creature's full knowledge of its creator is.

For this we need to look at the book of Proverbs..... which clearly tells us that the "fear" of Jehovah is the way to His knowledge. And this fear is simply reverence and acknowledgement of God in all things.

Unfortunately, many have come to believe that the relationship between man and God is learnt/understood in the environment of theology, but this is a superficial human way of looking at things.

God is life, and life must be experienced.

God is also new every morning. Though He may be the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, He is also fresh and new every moment.

Given this, what of this new God can be studied, and why?

No, God is not for studying He is for enjoying as the source of all things.

And it is in this way that we come to the true understanding of God's reality in His triune nature, for His triune nature is for the working out of His economy in His creation.

Think of this..... would God be triune if He had no creation in which He wanted to move?

This is why many of our Lord's statements confounded folks.... in their opinion His responses were too simple for one who declared Himself as God.

Statements such as "God is triune in His being, three but one," merely convey an idea of something much more abstract and incomprehensible.

Once again, only if you know nothing of God's economy towards His creation.

The bottom line is that there are aspects of Christianity that remain mysterious and will always remain that way until Christ returns.

This is not what the bible says though,.... so how can you justify your opinion scripturally, which, as a believer is something you should desire to do.

Enoch walked with God and was taken,.... what does this mean in regards to what we are discussing?

O come now, cj, you know what I meant. If that was the key to understanding all the mysteries of the faith then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Again, I must disagree with you.

Free, Jesus has returned to this earth, as the life-giving Spirit in our regenerated spirit, this is what scripture tells us.

This is the very same Jesus that told us that He and the Father were one. In fact, scripture tells us that God Himself, the full Trinity Godhead, dwells in us.

What you are doing is confusing the matter of transformation regarding our soul with having the capability to know God fully.

Because our soul is not yet fully saved does not mean that our knowing God is impossible in our lifetime. God, the complete and full triune God is in our spirit, why then can we not know this God who has taken up residence in us?

Really? You don't find it mysterious that someone can speak in a language that they do not know and that someone else who doesn't know that language can interpret it?

No.

Just as I don't find it mysterious that God can save a sinner.

This begs the question: was God in the ark or was the ark just a symbol of His presence?

Oh my,..... Free, it is clear from scripture that God was present.

There is no question here Free..... God was present with the Ark.

Please note that I did not say that God was in the Ark. But that the Ark, which was a visible testimony of God's invisible presence.

Exo 25:21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you.
Exo 25:22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

I hear you, but we really need the full view...... Exodus  25 : 8

"And let them make a sanctuary.... for Me that I may dwell in their midst.

Not, "That I may come and visit from time to time."

Free, do you know what the Ark is symbolic of in its construction, in fact, do you know what the entire physical tabernacle was, and all the various things that were connected to it?

It is Christ, as the corporate enlargement of God's dwelling place..... or don't you know that "the house (tabernacle/temple) of God, (which) is the church of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth."

So if you have never spoken in tongues, how can you truly understand the matter of tongues? According to your statement, and I fully agree, you can't. This is one of the biggest problems in Christianity: people have too many opinions on things of which they are completely ignorant.

But I have spoken in tongues, and continue to speak in tongues. I just do not agree with the high-tower/altar of "tongue-speaking" that has been built up by believers in these last days.


In love,
cj

 

[Julian Pyke]

cj, you speak in tongues? As in 1) to other people in their native tongue or 2) your spirit man speaking to God?

 

[Merry Menagerie]

But why are you speaking to God in "Chineese" when you could speak to him in your native tongue.

why not? I can speak to God in English to if I wanted but obviously if I was to speak in a Chinese tongue at church then it should be edifying the church right? And if NO MAN understood then I'd be only speaking ot God and not man - that's why one needs an interpreter.

You just totally took the first tongues issue out of contex in the sense when you speak in tongues you speak all languages... like tehre could be three different races that you are talking to in tongues and they each hear in their native tongue.

huh? No I read the book of Corinthians in reference of the gift of Tongues being used unto edification of the church. If I was to speak in a language that no man knew in the congregation then I'd be speaking mysteries and it would be like barbarian unto them. Read the couple of verses preceeding that verse and you will see the context in which it was written.

Anyway, in the verse that NO MAN understandeth him. If that were the case that some men would understand, why not say that SOME MAN understandeth him.

Because he was only addressing the case where no man understood. If someone understood then they'd be edified but if no one understood, then you'd only be edifying yourself when you are suppose to be operating the spiritual gifts to edify the church. Therefore one needs an interpreter.

That verse is talking about your SPIRIT speaking to GOD.

My spirit speaks to God 24 hours a day 7 days a week, he is forever making intercession for me with things that cannot be uttered. But that's not what Paul was addressing...he was addressing the operation of the Spiritual Gifts when they were gathered together. That's the whole point of the letter.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Granted. However, the contents of the letter Paul wrote to the Church of Corinth were addressing issues concerning THEM, not us.

Free: Then we can also dismiss all of Paul's other concerns he wrote about to the churches. Tell me: do you think women can be pastors? Is it okay to have sin in the church? How about that which isn't even found among the unrighteous?

Sputnik: Regardless of the game-playing here, Paul was responding to a letter (several, in fact) that had been sent to him from the Church of Corinth (1 Corinthians 1:11-12). Are you all aware of this? There were apparently several letters that had passed between individuals from the church and Paul that we never got to see. All we get to see is Paul's response, even though we can piece together the issues.

The contents of the letters related to quarrels and divisions within the church. We really DO need to bear this fact in mind. Yes, of course there are relevant and pertinent points in 1 Corinthians pertaining to issues that confront us today. But the letter in question was addressing SPECIFIC issues that had brought to Paul's attention by others.

The instruction (with exceptions) aimed at some misguided people in that church really doesn't concern us. Then again, when we hear what goes on in some charismatic churches, maybe it does!

Free: Your last sentence is it exactly. The majority of Pentecostals should be using that passage as a guide, since many of them do it that exact same way.

Sputnik: Huh? Not sure what you mean. Free. Are you agreeing that the majority are 'doing it wrong'?

It's my understanding that tongues were given for a specific purpose and for a specific period of time.

Free: Yes, the claim is made but cannot be supported from Scripture. Isn't it funny that people will say that being "slain in the Spirit" isn't of God because it isn't in the Bible, while out the other side of their mouths claim that tongues have ceased without any support from Scripture?

Sputnik: The Bible DOES say that tongues will cease (1 Corinthians 13:8-12). Yes, I know the definition of 'when the perfect is come' is a bone of contention with some people. No one seems to know for sure the correct interpretation of that text. Whatever, after 1 Corinthians the Bible anyway is CERTAINLY silent on this issue. If it were to become such a huge deal as per present-day Pentecostal would we not have been told so? In any event, tongues are simply languages of the world. So, unless you 'tongue-speakers' are preaching the gospel in a RECOGNIZED language to a specific national whose mother-tongue is that language you've got it all wrong anyway.

Today they are no longer necessary and, as the Bible indicates by its silence on this particular matter after 1 Corinthians, they eventually ceased.

Free: The familiar saying fits in here: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". It is fallacious to make such a claim. Not only that, if you like we could step through the NT and see where it ceases being silent on many things and come to all sorts of wrong conclusions.

Sputnik: Many Pentecostals have taken this 'tongue-speaking' to such extremes that they claim one's salvation depends on 'tongues' as an indication that one is 'Spirit-filled' and therefore saved. So, yes, I WOULD expect the scriptures to do more than abruptly stop on this issue following Paul's rebuking of the Church of Corinth. Do you think, perhaps, that Paul's instructions finally got through to these people and they stopped all of their shananigans? Could be.

Only in rare instances would God see fit to give someone this ability with which to relate the good news of salvation.

Free: But you just finished saying that tongues ceased and are no longer necessary. Have they or have they not ceased? Are they or are they not necessary?

Sputnik: I'm saying that they are no longer necessary and have ceased. However, should the need arise that some long, lost tribe in outer Botswana be told the gospel in their own language and accent, I'm sure God could provide the means for a missionary to do so. This is merely speculation, of course, but God can do whatever He wants whenever He wants.

It simply DOES NOT happen today, certainly not in Pentecostal churches. We have the complete Bible today and the scriptures are available in pretty well EVERY earthly language. So, no need for tongues. They had their purpose and then they ceased.

Free: Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. That really is no way to make an argument. I will let you sort them out and then provide evidence for each individual claim you are making there.

Sputnik: I'm not sure which assumptions you're referring to, Free. I can, however, walk into a Pentecostal church with a Bible in my hand and call someone a 'phony' as long as what they are practicing isn't scriptural. Not one Pentecostal who claims to 'speak in a tongue' can justify their practice ...not from the Bible anyway. No assumptions there.

And, while I have no way of knowing for sure that the scriptures are available in EVERY dialect and language, we DO have missionaries that are reaching out to the four corners of the (square?) world. Many of these missionaries are also nationals of the countries (people) they are witnessing to. So, the methods are available with which to fulfill the Great Commission.

 

[Abiyah]

Julie....?

But why are you speaking to God in "Chineese" when you could speak to him in your native tongue.

You just totally took the first tongues issue out of contex in the sense when you speak in tongues you speak all languages... like tehre could be three different races that you are talking to in tongues and they each hear in their native tongue.

Anyway, in the verse that NO MAN understandeth him. If that were the case that some men would understand, why not say that SOME MAN understandeth him.

That verse is talking about your SPIRIT speaking to GOD.

Hi there Julie ! I think this might help you out alot ! Read this Chapter again, not just this verse, but the entire chapter, it should help. And while you do that, do your own translating when reading it again. Take the word tongue back to it's ORIGINAL MEANING which is the Greek word Glossa, which means LANGUAGE. So everytime you read unknown tongue, insert it's true meaning unknown language, I think that may help you understand better, and ask our Heavenly Father to give you understanding of this chapter. Again, if God has called or chosen one to preach and/or teacher His Word, and that one speaks English, but is teaching God's Word to a congregation that speaks only Spanish, then when he teaches ONLY GOD will UNDERSTAND him, because God knows every LANGUAGE. Therefore, this particular teacher of God's Word would either need to have the gift of teaching God's Word in the Spanish Language or he'd need to bring an interpreter with him to translate what he is teaching. And keep in mind that our spirit is the intellect of our soul, it his how we speak to our Father, we talk to Him. When you pray your spirit talks to God. See ? I hope this helps, may God Bless and give you a better understanding Julie.


Hi ALL !
I also wanted to share a letter from an individual that use to speak in this "so-called" tongue.

LETTER FROM AN CHRISTIAN ARTICLE I READ AND WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, HAS ANYONE EVER WITNESSED THIS BEFORE OR HEARD OF THIS ?

"I have had the shaking thing [Ed note: this is the so-called: "Shaking in the Spirit"] happen to me at the Pentecostal church I attend but I am wondering what it is. I do not believe it is of God. It gives me the willies.

One time in fact I went to a fellowship at one of the woman who attend my church's house and two other ladies went also. I also had my kids and these women started to make animal noises and howl right in front of my kids. I played a long as I was just a babe myself, however I felt something really wrong in the spirit about this.
As I have said before, I have turned from allot of the gifts due to this. I have even been trying not to speak in tongues although I fight the tongues thing. I still feel led to pray in tongues but part of me hates praying in them after what I have seen in the Pentecostal/Charismatic church."

Anyone want to take a plug at this ? Is it possible that many [Mark 13:5] have misinterpreted the Scripture of I Corinthians Chapter 14 ? And why would this women still feel lead to pray in tongues after this ? Hmmmmm.... ? All I know after reading this is that God is NOT the author of confusion [ I Cor. 14:33]

Abiyah

 

[Judy]

My brother used to go to Biola it is a christian university, and he met a guy there who came from another country (sorry I can't remember) anyway, he wanted to try different churches while he was here .. so, he ended up at a Charismatic church. There were people there speaking in tongues and there were others interpreting what was being said , so this guy started speaking in his native tongue and another guy stood up and interpreted what he said... and it wasn't even close :o ... needless to say that guy never went back to that church.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Wouldn't blame him. People give the glory to the Holy Spirit and worship 'works' and 'gifts' and things when the bible clearly says that the Holy Spirit will give the glory to Christ.

And it's great to have gifts etc but if we don't have love then they're all useless.

 

[christianchic2]

I do believe in speaking in tougues, because i believe that it falls under the same catagory as all the gifts Jesus intended His CHurch to have, healing, prophecy, teaching etc.. and of course there are MANY exceptions to see how tongues can be false. But if Jesus say we can in this generation (which is all those after HIm) can do greater things in Him, i believe tongues are one of the great things we can do today.
So it really up to us individuals to believe regardless the false people out there, cause they are out there, but keep in mind they are the true christians who do speak tongues in truth and in spirit.
So let's celebrate these gifts together :

 

[Julian Pyke]

I keep getting personal references to personal experiences with tongues. All I wanna know is do you believe speaking int ongues is 1) Speaking to someone in their native tongue yet you don't know it. and another "tongue" which is 2) your Spirit Man talking to God. (After all it is in the Bible)

So many people believe it is false or not for today just because of experiences they had. Come on people, if you ahd an experience where "God" killed people, owuld you stop believeing in God? No because you know it wasn't God!