Speaking In Tongues

[BradtheImpaler]

have seen little six year old girls receive the gift of the Holy Ghost with the scriptural evidence of speaking in tongues in a church service when the Spirit of God was moving and I'm quite sure she wasn't taught this by watching the Testimony of Belial Network (TBN)

How do you know it was the real thing? How does a 6 year old speaking incomprehensibly qualify as evidence of anything?

 

[D46]

How do you know it was the real thing? How does a 6 year old speaking incomprehensibly qualify as evidence of anything?

It was an attempt to show that God is no respecter of age, creed, color, national standiing or any other criteria when he gives his gifts to manking. You obviously missed the point. What more evidence does one need than the scriptures? Again I go back to..

Acts 10:45-47 (KJV) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Peter thought the Jews were the only ones capable of eternal life and got a surpirse that day. Unlike those that question every possible motive of God today, he readily accepted that God was no respecter of persons, age, or race in that he gives spiritual gifts to those with a willing and obedient heart. God's word says it and I believe it. I need no further proof.

Matthew 18:3 (KJV) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Julian Pyke]

My definition of tongues is:

I think that maybe in the Bible, there are many different meanings.

Any chance that you could supply us with the scriptures that provide us with these many different meanings?

I believe that there is of couse, tongues where everyone understands you. As said before, and you may not be English or speak it, but you hear it as your own language. However, is this gift available today? of course it is, btw we use man's way of interpreting. Have someone interpret what you are saying into that persons language.

If God wishes to make 'tongues' available for today then He can do so. However, it will be in accordance with its initial scriptural intent. We really do have to put everything into perspective as to what was occurring in those days and what is necessary for we today. Two thousand years have transpired and tongues have long since passed away. They served a purpose for a time.

In Acts, it talks of how differnt nationalitys heard Paul (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) speak in the language where everyone understood. Ill go into it further later.

The other form of tongues, is your spirit man speaking to God.

More scripture? It's even in this post. Look down and you see "If I speak in an unknown tongue, my spirit speaketh, but my understanding is unfruitful." I mean, how can you be planer then that? Look in all the scriptures i provided, my SPIRIT prayeth.

Hmmm ...I'm going to have to ask for scripture again.

1 Corinthians 12:10 - To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:[/i]

Tongues in the Bible means Languages.

That's correct.

1 Corinthians 12:30 - Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Not really much to pay attention to there, except the do all interpret.


1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Unknown Tongue... I believe this is your Spirit Man {Howbeit in the spirit} speaking to God. {for no man understandath him}


1 Corinthians 14:4 - He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Why is it used in a church some attend if we all speak the same language? Well, this is the Spirit talking to God. YOUR spirit man talking to God. He who speaks in tongues edifieth HIMSELF. However, what good is it if for yourself and no one else?

1 Corinthians 14:5 - I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1 Corinthians 14:6 - Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Ok, so we see here that if there be someone speaking in tongues in the church, be sure someone is there to interpret. It also states he who interprets edifieth the church. The church is us. So, why have someone speak in tongues and then someone interpret? Why not just have someone give what God is saying. Well whoever is speaking in tongues is edifying himself. We want to edify each other. This is one way.

1 Corinthians 14:13 - Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

1 Corinthians 14:14 - For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Again, it's your spirit praying, your understanding is unfruitful.

So, In conclusion. One form of tongues that is spoken about in the Bible, is your Spirit Praying to God. Don't speak in tongues in church unless someone is there to interpret.

Now, speaking in tongues where everyone understands you yet you don't speak their langauge, that is for the unbeliever. So you can witness to them.

I'm not really sure where you're coming from with the above but, again, if it isn't in accordance with the scriptures, then it isn't true and proper. Oh, and by the way, Paul was writing to the Church of Corinth and dealing with issues within that church. In regard to this issue ('tongues') he wasn't referring to we of today at all.

I know he was speakin to the church of cornith dealing with their issues. They were misusing the gift of tongues to only edifieth themselves, he is clearly stating if one speaks in tongues in the church, pray someone will interpret, have someone interpret.

 

[Imagican]

Brad,

What I think is going on 'in some' churches is a desperate attempt to appease one's flesh.

I mean, I was attending a Pentecostal church for a few weeks, (my wife said that I should experience their services before making a judgement), and at one point, this pastor says something about 'an anointing coming on'. I had no idea what he was talking about. But everyone else did and the entire congregation ran up front. The pastor started that 'Beni Hindi' stuff, slapping people in the forehead and such. All of the sudden about six girls and ladies began making noises like they were being flayed alive. I was utterly stunned. This is the same guy that I spoke with concerning his 'not following Paul's epistle concerning the proper use of tongues'.

Ends up, the two women making the loudest noise were a mother and daughter team. Unknown to the congregation at the time, the daughter was fifteen and pregnant. Unwed of course.

I am certainly unable to judge the hearts of men, (or women). But I have this sneaky suspicion that fornication, and adultery, and murder, and lying, etc........ are still sin. No doubt about the fact that regardless of our actions, we can be forgiven. But, if there are different places in heaven according to the judgement of God, wouldn't it stand to reason that those that were continuing to live a life of sin while proclaiming Christ as their Savior would be placed somewhere a bit less desirable than one who made a serious effort to develope a strong relationship with God and obey His will?

And you know folks, wouldn't those that allowed God's will to work in their lives 'THE MOST', be most likely to be the ones that received the strongest gifts? Can you really live in sin and be filled with the Spirit? I don't mean make a mistake by not recognizing the needs of a brother, I mean could you be a whore monger or prostitute and be filled with the Spirit. Committing adutery and fornication six days a week and then be filled with the Spirit on the seventh?

As I read it, women aren't supposed to speak in tongues, REGARDLESS, in the church. If this is the case, how in the world could the Holy Spirit work against God's will? In this particular church that I refer, the only ones that were speaking in tongues were women and the pastor. NO, interpreter, all at one time instead of 'by course', (in order for those that don't understand the meaning). How could this be? If tongues are a 'gift' could you receive this gift to use in a way contrary to God's Word?

If you do a little research into this 'new age' tongue speaking, you will find that as it reached the east coast, it was much more prominent in the rural mountainous areas where people were generally illiterate, making them unable to really read and understand the Bible. This would make it real easy for a slickster to teach that which couldn't be refuted by those that followed their teaching.

In Corinthians, Paul is NOT telling people to covet the gift of tongues. HE IS REBUKING the church for misbehavior of all sorts unbecoming to one that belongs to Christ. But, I have witnessed those that use these words of rebuke to establish their beliefs in tongues. HUH? Paul's words explaining the misuse of tongues, used to justify their use? WOW.

And also, a little research will reveal that there were religions that had been introduced to Corinth previous to Christianity and their worship consisted of the use of tongues. It is widely believed that the people that Paul wrote to had introduced these tongues into their worship of Christ and that's why he was forced to write to them about this.

So, if tongues aren't to be used in churches without interpreters. The persons that speak in tongues must be men, no more than three in a meeting and in order. Tongues are for them that believe NOT.Why are there so many women that speak in tongues in the church without an interpreter and without order? And are these churches that teach this 'speaking in tongues', full of non-believers?

And, one more question: If God knows what's in our hearts before we even ask, what would be the benefit of 'speaking in tongues'? I mean the tongues that I'm referring to are the mumbling repetitious gibberish that I have witnessed of those that teach this belief. What kind of sign is this that is unable to be understood?

 

[BradtheImpaler]

How do you know it was the real thing? How does a 6 year old speaking incomprehensibly qualify as evidence of anything?

[quote:3ce7d]It was an attempt to show that God is no respecter of age, creed, color, national standiing or any other criteria when he gives his gifts to manking. You obviously missed the point. What more evidence does one need than the scriptures?

No, I think you're missing the point. How do you know that what that 6 year old was speaking wasn't just gibberish? Do you fall on your face when someone does a card trick?

Again I go back to..

Acts 10:45-47 (KJV) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Peter thought the Jews were the only ones capable of eternal life and got a surpirse that day. Unlike those that question every possible motive of God today, he readily accepted that God was no respecter of persons, age, or race in that he gives spiritual gifts to those with a willing and obedient heart. God's word says it and I believe it. I need no further proof.

Matthew 18:3 (KJV) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[/quote:3ce7d]

Very good - now reread that again and let's ask ourselves why were these people "astonished"? Because they heard them speak in other (legitimate) languages which they (the hearers) knew the speakers did not know, and the hearers also understood those languages well enough to know that the speakers were "praising God". Now that would be miraculous. You hear a 6 year old utter several incomprehensible syllables and you assume it's the same thing as in the Book of Acts. How does that follow? Can you verify that what she spoke was a true language that she did not, in the natural, previously know? Could someone who understood that particular language verify that it was genuine and that she was indeed reciting praises to God? Your example doesn't contain any of these confirmations that would be necessary to give evidence that what this child was doing was not just emotional babble.

 

[D46]

I'm not going to question the authority of God's word. This is a waste of time and I don't submit to it. You have heard the truth scripturally and detest it and have dissected it. It needs no further explaination as I believe I've done an admirable job of attempting to make it plain but; I've obviously failed. Or, it could be your heart is just hardened to this blessed truth and reject it

I have seen with my eyes and heard with my ears the great manifestation of the Spirit of God working in the hearts of those humble enough to believe God for what he says, and; that includes men, women and children for these past 60 years and don't believe I could be fooled that long. If you don't believe tongues is for us today and that it passed away, you may be cheating yourself out of God's great blessing as well as calling God a liar."...for the promise is unto you, your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:39. If you want no part of it I can assure you that you'll have nothing to worry about.

 

[SputnikBoy]

In Acts, it talks of how differnt nationalitys heard Paul (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) speak in the language where everyone understood. Ill go into it further later.

Yes, there were a dozen or more different nationalities listed in the Bible who heard the Apostles speak in their language. It wasn't Paul, however.

The other form of tongues, is your spirit man speaking to God.

More scripture? It's even in this post. Look down and you see "If I speak in an unknown tongue, my spirit speaketh, but my understanding is unfruitful." I mean, how can you be planer then that? Look in all the scriptures i provided, my SPIRIT prayeth.

You're reading this ancient manuscript superficially and coming up with something that it simply is NOT saying. For starters, the 'unknown' part of the sentence is simply meaning that the language is 'unknown' to anyone other than the national. F'rinstance, when I hear someone speak Chinese that language is absolutely unknown to me. It's a mystery. Not to the Chinese person, however, or anyone else who can understand Chinese.

The second part of your statement is the 'spirit' (small 's') which is simply one's 'breath', no more no less. It isn't referring to the (Holy) 'Spirit' (large 'S') at all. In fact, if anything, it's referring to a LACK of the Holy Spirit. That verse is pretty well saying that one is wasting their breath as long as they are not in accordance with the authentic use of the gifts. Paul even says that, unless all is done in a proper manner, one will just be speaking into the air (1 Corinthians 14:9). Now, Paul COULD have been talking to the present-day Pentecostal Church with THAT statement!

Paul's writings are full of hyperbole, inflections, themes and beliefs of the day, rhetoric, analogies, etc. and this is what makes his writings so human. We must also realize that the language Paul, in fact Jesus, spoke in was Hebrew - far, far removed from our present-day English. He would not have actually said the word 'spirit' and many other words in phonetic English. We only have the translations of these letters from Paul. This is why, to our ears, the expressions Paul appears to have used sound so odd at times. But we MUST understand this in order to make sense of what he was saying.

 

[SputnikBoy]

I'm not going to question the authority of God's word. This is a waste of time and I don't submit to it. You have heard the truth scripturally and detest it and have dissected it. It needs no further explaination as I believe I've done an admirable job of attempting to make it plain but; I've obviously failed. Or, it could be your heart is just hardened to this blessed truth and reject it

D46, none of this present-day phenomena of 'tongues' is the truth scripturally. And those of us who oppose this sham are not questioning the authority of God's Word since it isn't God's Word to begin with. You probably have done an admirable job to make your side of this issue plain but that doesn't in and of itself make it the truth. There is nothing blessed about a lie ...even though you quite obviously don't see present-day 'tongues' as a lie.

I have seen with my eyes and heard with my ears the great manifestation of the Spirit of God working in the hearts of those humble enough to believe God for what he says, and; that includes men, women and children for these past 60 years and don't believe I could be fooled that long.

I really don't want to rub salt into the wounds since I can see that you're hurting over this ...however, you evidently HAVE been fooled that long. That doesn't mean that it needs to continue. Do a study yourself (NOT with a Pentecostal) of all of the scriptures pertaining to 'tongues' and their proper and scriptural usage. If you can remove the blinders first (almost impossible, I know) you will inevitably see the glaring error that is going on in some churches today.

If you don't believe tongues is for us today and that it passed away, you may be cheating yourself out of God's great blessing as well as calling God a liar."...for the promise is unto you, your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:39. If you want no part of it I can assure you that you'll have nothing to worry about.

No one is calling God a liar (this is a Pentecostal ploy) for believing that 'tongues' are not for today. A complete understanding of the scriptures will verify this fact every time. 'Tongues' had a time, a place, and a purpose. As well as being a sign to the unbeliever 'tongues' (Greek 'glossa'=languages) were also used to get the message of the Gospel through to a foreigner. Incidentally, check the Greek Lexicon definition to 'tongue/s' and you get 'glossa' EVERY time. I'm not sure where the term 'glossalalia' (Pentecostal 'tongues') came from ...probably from some charismatic dictionary.

Again, NOT believing a lie is not calling God a liar or grieving the Holy Spirit. I don't know whether Pentecostal 'tongues' are a mockery (and therefore of Satan) or simply something we simply shake our heads at and pass it off as no more than 'silly'. What do others think?

 

[BradtheImpaler]

I'm not going to question the authority of God's word. This is a waste of time and I don't submit to it. You have heard the truth scripturally and detest it and have dissected it. It needs no further explaination as I believe I've done an admirable job of attempting to make it plain but; I've obviously failed. Or, it could be your heart is just hardened to this blessed truth and reject it

I have seen with my eyes and heard with my ears the great manifestation of the Spirit of God working in the hearts of those humble enough to believe God for what he says, and; that includes men, women and children for these past 60 years and don't believe I could be fooled that long. If you don't believe tongues is for us today and that it passed away, you may be cheating yourself out of God's great blessing as well as calling God a liar."...for the promise is unto you, your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:39. If you want no part of it I can assure you that you'll have nothing to worry about.

You seem unable to grasp the point of my challenge. At the moment, I'm not "questioning the authority of God's Word" or denying that tongues are for today - I'm asking you how you know a particular case of someone speaking in tongues is the true manifestation of the Spirit claimed in the NT if you...

a) cannot verify the "language" being spoken is a true language

b) cannot verify that the language being spoken (even if it is a true language) is not already known by the speaker

c) cannot interpret the supposed language being spoken to verify that it is, i.e., praising God and not cursing Him (or, perhaps, reciting the Gettysburg Address)?

 

[SputnikBoy]

Unfortunately, the 'tongue-supporters' can't accept the challenge of the above post and so they ultimately respond with rhetoric such as "So you're calling God a liar?" or, "Just be careful that you are not grieving the Holy Spirit," and so on. Pentecostal 'tongues' are no less than a sham and therefore have no scriptural support. And so the rhetoric is all that the 'pro-tongues' have at their disposal.

Is the current practice of 'tongue-speaking' dangerous? Unfortunately, there are an increasing number of charismatics today who make 'tongues' into a salvation issue. This is how much this nonsense has taken such a hold on the gullible. Not good.

 

[Merry Menagerie]

1) Define Speaking In Tongues for me.

A language given by God so as to minister and also to edify the church

2) Provide Scripture to back you up.

Can't remember (We're moving house so I've packed my bible) but there is a scripture where Jesus told them to wait for the power from on high that will enable them to be a witness over all the earth. Then there's the scriptures in Corinthians that talks about the gift of tongues as being one of the gifts used for the edification of the church.

3) Do you believe in it?

I believe in Jesus

4) If you do, or don't, is it for today?

Yes tongues (as well as the other gifts) can be for today but only as the spirit wills. I don't see tongues as the most important gift and I'm always puzzled why everyone else does. I don't see people saying "Look at me...I have the gift of helps" or "I have the gift of administration" It's always about tongues...and sometimes I get the feeling that tongues are worshipped more than God and that people are always seeking what they can get from God rather than his face.

 

[BJGrolle]

Yes tongues (as well as the other gifts) can be for today but only as the spirit wills. I don't see tongues as the most important gift and I'm always puzzled why everyone else does. I don't see people saying "Look at me...I have the gift of helps" or "I have the gift of administration" It's always about tongues...and sometimes I get the feeling that tongues are worshipped more than God and that people are always seeking what they can get from God rather than his face.

I think this is because so many people just like to go around wagging their tongues! :

 

[Imagican]

This is the important issue. If the tongues used in today's churches 'are not' offered through the Spirit, exactly 'what' spirit is offering this?

Not trying to be silly in the least, but, I can tell you from personal experience, that the tongues that I have witnessed give me 'no less', the SAME feeling inside as listening to some of the 'satanic' music that is so prevalent today. If God is NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, BUT OF PEACE........... why would something supposedly 'holy' make me feel so 'unclean' when I hear it?

Trust me folks, there is no jealousy or envy on this end. I have witnessed this performance on numerous occasions and it doesn't seem 'in the least', holy. It is confusing and uncomfortable. Is this God's way? Is it in His nature to cause those that are 'truly' seeking Him, to confuse them and make them uncomfortable?

Spunt,

Good posts my friend. I can see that you are not simply offering objection to this ritual, but have done much studying to prove or disprove this topic.

Brad,

As usual, you offer much to stimulate one to burrow 'deeper', at least those willing to listen.

Unfortunately there are those that would work for satan rather than God. Those that would place this spirit in the hearts of those that are weak or unlearned. Trust me guys, satan is trying his best to convince the world that he is God. He is the FATHER OF LIES. His lies can be so subtle that even the very elect can often be fooled by them.

 

[BJGrolle]

Not trying to be silly in the least, but, I can tell you from personal experience, that the tongues that I have witnessed give me 'no less', the SAME feeling inside as listening to some of the 'satanic' music that is so prevalent today. If God is NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, BUT OF PEACE........... why would something supposedly 'holy' make me feel so 'unclean' when I hear it?

Trust me folks, there is no jealousy or envy on this end. I have witnessed this performance on numerous occasions and it doesn't seem 'in the least', holy. It is confusing and uncomfortable. Is this God's way? Is it in His nature to cause those that are 'truly' seeking Him, to confuse them and make them uncomfortable?

I've never been to a church that uses this so-called speaking in tongues. After what I've read here, I never intend to go to one.

From what you have said, it sounds to me like the Holy Spirit is telling you (by making you feel uncomfortable and confused at these times) that He isn't having anything to do with this nonsense.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

This is the important issue. If the tongues used in today's churches 'are not' offered through the Spirit, exactly 'what' spirit is offering this?

I would say it's just the "spirit of the desire to believe in the supernatural":wink:

Believers tend to spiritualize or "supernaturalize" everything. I.E. - if it's not of God it must be of the :evil: But why would there be a need to attribute something to God or the devil that is explainable on a (psychologically) human level?

 

[SputnikBoy]

This is the important issue. If the tongues used in today's churches 'are not' offered through the Spirit, exactly 'what' spirit is offering this?

I would say it's just the "spirit of the desire to believe in the supernatural":wink:

Believers tend to spiritualize or "supernaturalize" everything. I.E. - if it's not of God it must be of the :evil: But why would there be a need to attribute something to God or the devil that is explainable on a (psychologically) human level?

I pretty well agree with you on this, Brad. I've always been reluctant to even THINK that today's 'tongues' are 'of the devil' since it isn't up to me to determine this. There are others, however, who believe quite sincerely that charismatic 'tongues' are a satanic counterfeit of the genuine. I personally believe that the explanation lies in the psychological or/and peer pressure or/and an overwhelming need of the individual to fit into the group.

Unfortunately, there ARE a few high-profile 'tongue-speaking charismatic charlatans' who don't help the situation any. Jimmy Swaggart claims that unless one 'speaks with tongues' he/she is not saved. Why? Because 'tongues' are THE sign that one is 'Spirit-filled' and, unless one 'has the Spirit' they are therefore lost. It's little wonder then that the gullible will take up this practice post-haste! This is one of the reasons I get so uptight with some on this forum when they incessantly refer to themselves as being 'Spirit-filled' ...whether they claim to 'speak in tongues' or not. An implication of your "spirit of the desire to believe in the supernatural" seems to be coming through.

 

[Solo]

Unfortunately, there ARE a few high-profile 'tongue-speaking charismatic charlatans' who don't help the situation any. Jimmy Swaggart claims that unless one 'speaks with tongues' he/she is not saved. Why? Because 'tongues' are THE sign that one is 'Spirit-filled' and, unless one 'has the Spirit' they are therefore lost. It's little wonder then that the gullible will take up this practice post-haste! This is one of the reasons I get so uptight with some on this forum when they incessantly refer to themselves as being 'Spirit-filled' ...whether they claim to 'speak in tongues' or not. An implication of your "spirit of the desire to believe in the supernatural" seems to be coming through.

SputnikBoy
This portion of your post is interesting in that it is similar to what I think about the Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine of Sabbath keeping. Let me show you what I mean by using your sentences with a few minor changes.

Unfortunately, there ARE a few high-profile 'sabbath pushing non-charismatic charlatans' who don't help the situation any. Joe Crews claims that unless one 'keeps the sabbath day' he/she is not saved. Why? Because the 'sabbath day' is THE sign that one is 'born-again' and, unless one 'has the Sabbath born-again spirit' they are therefore lost. It's little wonder then that the gullible will take up this practice post-haste! This is one of the reasons I get so uptight with some on this forum when they incessantly refer to themselves as being 'sabbath-keepers' ...whether they claim to 'be born-again' or not. An implication of your "keeping all of the commandments inorder to believe in the supernatural" seems to be coming through.

Read the Bible when you get the opportunity and study the Holy Spirit and His work. It may shed more light on what the Spirit-filled life is all about.
Thanks,
Solo

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Jimmy Swaggart claims that unless one 'speaks with tongues' he/she is not saved

You have to speak in tongues to be saved or you have to speak in tongues and pick up hookers in a limo? I'm not clear on this teaching :wink:

Why? Because 'tongues' are THE sign that one is 'Spirit-filled' and, unless one 'has the Spirit' they are therefore lost

And "THE" sign is easily faked. The whole situation is retarded.

 

[kwag_myers]

Jimmy Swaggart claims that unless one 'speaks with tongues' he/she is not saved

You have to speak in tongues to be saved or you have to speak in tongues and pick up hookers in a limo? I'm not clear on this teaching :wink:

You can't judge the Bible on what people do, how they conduct themselves. You can judge them, but the Bible should be judged on its own merit. I'm not aware of any Bible reference to this "being saved by tongues" doctrine. The thief on the cross didn't speak in tongues and he was saved (lUKE 23:39-43).

Why? Because 'tongues' are THE sign that one is 'Spirit-filled' and, unless one 'has the Spirit' they are therefore lost

And "THE" sign is easily faked. The whole situation is retarded.

Tongues is not "THE" sign. It is one of many (Matthew 16:17-18).

To say that tongues is not for us today is just an excuse to reject the Holy Spirit's direction in your life. You want to be in control, so you reject the Holy Spirit's control.

 

[Julian Pyke]

Just ebcause SOME people say this about tongues doesnt mean we ALL think that. Are you going to say Jesus isn't real just ebcause ONE person says 'Jesus was a made up person for an example.'

No... LOOK IN THE BIBLE. it clearly says speaking in tongues. There are 2 versions, one for teh unbelievers, where one can speak in tongues and witness to those of differnt nationalities and they ehar you in their langueg. And the other, your SPIRIT MAn speaking to GOD. YOU don't know what he is saying, but God does. If you do it in church, pray for an interpreter.