Symbols

[Gary]

I'd think you could have a picture without worshiping it.

99% of the pictures of Jesus that exist are way off the mark, anyway.

The thing is, there are no actual pictures of Jesus, so all those countless depictions of Jesus are false images. Even that 1%.

Even if you don't physically worship that image, you still have an image of something you refer to as Jesus.

Something to think about.
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[evenifigoalone]

lol

Hm, anyway to add to what I said...
Honestly, I'm FAR more likely to commit idolatry in loving my interests and fandoms more than I do God. As opposed to worshiping a picture of God. The former is a very real danger that I've had to repent for more than once, the latter is...not a temptation for me at all.

 

[evenifigoalone]

The thing is, there are no actual pictures of Jesus, so all those countless depictions of Jesus are false images. Even that 1%.

Even if you don't physically worship that image, you still have an image of something you refer to as Jesus.

Something to think about.
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I don't see it that way, but eh. I mean, we depict people from history in pictures sometimes without really knowing what they look like.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...the latter is...not a temptation for me at all.

Me neither.

 

[Gary]

I don't see it that way, but eh. I mean, we depict people from history in pictures sometimes without really knowing what they look like.

But are they being referred to as God?

That's the difference.

 

[follower]

I was told short hair was actually the style for men during Jesus' day, not the Fabio thing you see in Renaissance period paintings of Jesus.

If Jesus had come today, he'd have a shaved head, dark wrap around sun glasses, and a goatee.

i should probably ask why sun glasses,
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nah....
Yeshua wouldn't wear glasses, sun or otherwise. (there's a few exceptions for regular people because of the weakness of faith and body)

 

[jasonc]

But are they being referred to as God?

That's the difference.

how many Christian books have imagery of the visions of john?

 

[follower]

I'd think you could have a picture without worshiping it.
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still. what is written ? go back to Yhvh's command / instruction.

would you think it's okay to have marry juan a around if you "don't inhale" ? (i think a pres said that!)
(it's a bad example, but .... oh, well)

 

[evenifigoalone]

But are they being referred to as God?

That's the difference.

I personally just see idolatry as a heart issue, but that's just me.

 

[Gary]

how many Christian books have imagery of the visions of john?

Yup.

 

[follower]

how many Christian books have imagery of the visions of john?

do you mean 'real' christian books, or worldly christian books ?
remember the romans were shocked when they invaded the believer's home-places of worship ---- the soldiers expected to find some of the usual idols etc.....
instead they found bare walls, no idols, no figures, no idolatry, no paintings, no pictures....

 

[jasonc]

Yup.

but that isn't a sin. I believe it was in the way the icon is used when the Egyptians or other pagan nations that was the problem but much of the books of imagery are iconistic.
the idea of heaven and earth touching and in Jerusalem is that very idea that the heavenlies were in the temple and the earth under the feet of the priests. this was done to keep men humble and also to remind them of how sinful they were.

doesn't it seem odd the mercy seat has two angles whose wings touch and god meets man in the middle of that? and yets made and not worshipped? its not a contradiction at all

 

[Gary]

I personally just see idolatry as a heart issue, but that's just me.

Question.

What do you think God's reaction would be if you had a statue of Buddha and started referring to it as Jesus or God? What would be the reaction of those around you?

And just so you know, I'm making no judgments here. We're just talking. K?

 

[evenifigoalone]

Question.

What do you think God's reaction would be if you had a statue of Buddha and started referring to it as Jesus or God? What would be the reaction of those around you?

And just so you know, I'm making no judgments here. We're just talking. K?

It's a false god and everybody knows Bhudda, and even if there were good intentions it would be very easily misinterpreted by others (ie, appearance of evil). It would be disrespectful.

Merh, I'm not an argumentative person unless I have some dogs in the fight. Don't really want a lengthy back-and-forth on this.

 

[Gary]

Merh, I'm not an argumentative person unless I have some dogs in the fight. Don't really want a lengthy back-and-forth on this.

Not a problem.

Later.

 

[Obadiah]

I was told short hair was actually the style for men during Jesus' day, not the Fabio thing you see in Renaissance period paintings of Jesus.

If Jesus had come today, he'd have a shaved head, dark wrap around sun glasses, and a goatee.

Wow, you just described the pastor of a church I attended in the past!

 

[follower]

I personally just see idolatry as a heart issue, but that's just me.

that's how Yhvh sees it too (also: "too" ) (not: "to") (tangent lesson for misusers of "to" for "too")

a heart issue.
obey Yhvh - good heart, be blessed.
disobey Yhvh - rebellious heart, receive chastisement or judgment.

 

[Obadiah]

The thing is, there are no actual pictures of Jesus, so all those countless depictions of Jesus are false images. Even that 1%.

Even if you don't physically worship that image, you still have an image of something you refer to as Jesus.

Something to think about.
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I really, really think most decently intelligent people in the world today understand that the picture isn't actually Jesus himself. This isn't idolatry at all. Most sane people would understand when you point to the picture and say "That's Jesus" you really are saying that's a picture of Jesus, not that it's actually him. Does it really look like he actually did in real life? Who cares?

 

[evenifigoalone]

that's how Yhvh sees it too (also: "too" ) (not: "to") (tangent lesson for misusers of "to" for "too")

a heart issue.
obey Yhvh - good heart, be blessed.
disobey Yhvh - rebellious heart, receive chastisement or judgment.

By heart issue, I meant "thoughts and intentions of the heart".
But like I said, I'm just going to agree to disagree. Your convictions are your convictions.

 

[Gary]

I really, really think most decently intelligent people in the world today understand that the picture isn't actually Jesus himself. This isn't idolatry at all. Most sane people would understand when you point to the picture and say "That's Jesus" you really are saying that's a picture of Jesus, not that it's actually him. Does it really look like he actually did in real life? Who cares.

That's not the point.