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[follower]

Yhvh knows everything about everything and put it in His Word as He wanted :

this is the first two results in order of the k9 safe search for "thoughts and intents of the heart site> biblegateway.com" >>>
Hebrews 4:12 KJV - For the word of God is quick, and - Bible ...
... and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts ... and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. ..

Genesis 6:5 - Bible Gateway - BibleGateway.com
... and that every imagining of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Yeah man, I'm familiar with those verses.

 

[follower]

idolatry has been brought into the untied states from mexico by the millions of idols in the last few decades.
as for art. that's another subject.
i think it is unnecessary at least. if it is sinful or not, well, it usually is(in all the world), but if it always is i don't know.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I find art enriching and invigorating, and an awesome medium for spreading positive messages. But then, art is my hobby.

 

[turnorburn]

Just for kicks go back in those memory banks and try to recall a time when idolatry didn't run rampant? take the cross, the one we visualize when we think about the Crucifixion, do you know what that cross stood for in pagan Babylon? I became aware of its meaning a few years ago, try this, enter "does the T shaped cross stand for Tammuz the sun god" into your favorite search engine and see what pops up

tob

 

[Willie T]

As far as making idols of things...... is there any place in the Bible that says the cross was of any particular configuration... "T" or otherwise?

 

[follower]

yes, that's potentially a good lesson for many people, or maybe a few, or maybe none. Yhvh knows - it rests with Him.

idolatry is rampant today. so is greed. every kind of sin. the world is not a pleasant place to live or abide.
but
Yeshua still said, and it has not changed "be of GOOD CHEER, I have OVERCOME the world".

that is why i post, just in case someone wants to overcome the world - their history, their family, their upbringing, their education, and so on, as well as their sin and flesh and the devil.... (there's more, but limited by time, space, and the rules).

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...remember the romans were shocked when they invaded the believer's home-places of worship ---- the soldiers expected to find some of the usual idols etc.....
instead they found bare walls, no idols, no figures, no idolatry, no paintings, no pictures....

...just offering baskets.

 

[follower]

As far as making idols of things...... is there any place in the Bible that says the cross was of any particular configuration... "T" or otherwise?

yes, many Jews know simply. few gentiles do. Yeshua was made a curse by being hung on a living tree. there's a good reference if i can find it - detailed , Scriptural, and gruesome (crucifixion is brutal).

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Wow, you just described the pastor of a church I attended in the past!

Lol, gotta' be cool for the young people, I guess.

 

[Willie T]

...just offering baskets.

I LOVE it!

 

[Willie T]

yes, many Jews know simply. few gentiles do. Yeshua was made a curse by being hung on a living tree. there's a good reference if i can find it - detailed , Scriptural, and gruesome (crucifixion is brutal).

There are palm trees... cedar trees... date trees.... fig trees.....
I was speaking of an accurate description of the shape of whatever Jesus was killed upon.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I personally just see idolatry as a heart issue, but that's just me.

Me too.

 

[follower]

There are palm trees... cedar trees... date trees.... fig trees.....
I was speaking of an accurate description of the shape of whatever Jesus was killed upon.

http://essene.com/History&Essenes/Exec.htm
this may be the most accurate description of the crucifixion anyone's ever read or heard of in the heathen nations.

 

[Willie T]

http://essene.com/History&Essenes/Exec.htm
this may be the most accurate description of the crucifixion anyone's ever read or heard of in the heathen nations.

Interesting reading. Thank you.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I find art enriching and invigorating, and an awesome medium for spreading positive messages. But then, art is my hobby.

Here have a snickers bar. It's beginning to look like your avatar talking when you post.

I think you and me are pretty much on the same page about this. I think Romans 14 explains our view. And it also explains how we have to have respect for anyone who does not see it the way we do.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Here have a snickers bar. It's beginning to look like your avatar talking when you post.

I think you and me are pretty much on the same page about this. I think Romans 14 explains this. It also explains how we have to have respect for anyone who does not see it the way we do.

I must apologize, then. I didn't intend to come off that way, and maybe I should change my avatar if it makes me come across as angry. (If you know the context of where the pic comes from, the character actually isn't angry in this panel. But I can see how he looks angry.)

 

[turnorburn]

Here is one reference to Tammuz..

Ezekiel 8: 12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.

13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

i found this in a book The Two Babylons called The Sign Of The Cross..

http://www.piney.com/His56.html

tob

*edit: forgot something "again"

That which is now called the Christian cross was originally no Christian emblem at all, but was the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans and Egyptians--the true original form of the letter T--the initial of the name of Tammuz--which, in Hebrew, radically the same as ancient Chaldee, was found on coins, was formed as in No. 1 of the accompanying woodcut (Fig. 43); and in Etrurian and Coptic, as in Nos. 2 and 3. That mystic Tau was marked in baptism on the foreheads of those initiated in the Mysteries, * and was used in every variety of way as a most sacred symbol. See the worship of Tammuz in the temple in Jerusalem.

 

[follower]

Interesting reading. Thank you.

May Yhvh be praised in Yeshua, and grant that we may know from Him the truth of all things.
Always seeking Him.

(you're welcome)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I must apologize, then. I didn't intend to come off that way. Maybe I should change my avatar if it makes me come across as angry.

No, no, I don't think you owe anyone an apology. This is a picnic compared to the Theology folder, lol.