Take heed no one deceives you.

[GodsGrace]

But you did reply! Your anti-Semitic statement that the Jews turned down Christ is diametrically opposite from the actual facts. The first disciples of Jesus were all Jews not Gentiles.

Likewise, I'm not here to play games but to speak the truth about God and His word with others.

How is my reply anti-semitic?
Did the majority of Jews accept Jesus as their Messiah?
Do the current day Jews accept Jesus as Messiah?
Was Jesus accepted in Nazareth?
In the Temple?
By the Pharisees and Saducees?
Did the Jews that followed Him after His death get rejected and were banned from the Synogogue?

 

[Christ_empowered]

The early Christians were a Jewish sect.

 

[jaybo]

How is my reply anti-semitic?
Did the majority of Jews accept Jesus as their Messiah?
Do the current day Jews accept Jesus as Messiah?
Was Jesus accepted in Nazareth?
In the Temple?
By the Pharisees and Saducees?
Did the Jews that followed Him after His death get rejected and were banned from the Synogogue?

How is my reply anti-semitic?
Did the majority of Jews accept Jesus as their Messiah?
Do the current day Jews accept Jesus as Messiah?
Was Jesus accepted in Nazareth?
In the Temple?
By the Pharisees and Saducees?
Did the Jews that followed Him after His death get rejected and were banned from the Synogogue?

You wrote, "the Jews turned down Christ". As I said earlier, all the disciples were Jews. You didn't say "the majority of Jews", you said "Jews" with no qualifier, so your statement is wrong.

And yes, the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah. I am a Jew and I have accepted Jesus as Messiah, as have many others.

a) You need to read the Bible to see what it actually says.
b) You also need to drop the anti-Semitism.

All the earlier followers of Jesus, including all the disciples, were Jews!!

 

[GodsGrace]

You wrote, "the Jews turned down Christ". As I said earlier, all the disciples were Jews. You didn't say "the majority of Jews", you said "Jews" with no qualifier, so your statement is wrong.

And yes, the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah. I am a Jew and I have accepted Jesus as Messiah, as have many others.

a) You need to read the Bible to see what it actually says.
b) You also need to drop the anti-Semitism.

All the earlier followers of Jesus, including all the disciples, were Jews!!

Yes sir.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You wrote, "the Jews turned down Christ". As I said earlier, all the disciples were Jews. You didn't say "the majority of Jews", you said "Jews" with no qualifier, so your statement is wrong.

And yes, the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah. I am a Jew and I have accepted Jesus as Messiah, as have many others.

a) You need to read the Bible to see what it actually says.
b) You also need to drop the anti-Semitism.

All the earlier followers of Jesus, including all the disciples, were Jews!!

Your use of the word anti-semitism is out of line.
It is easy to see with your attitude that you are anti-gentile.
Get a life, will you?

 

[Hopeful]

Brother, why would you believe the following teaching of Jesus Christ, to His disciples, is the Old Testament “Jewish Faith”?
(No such thing as the “Jewish Faith” to begin with.)

There was no other "faith" around.

“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:12-17

• Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
• But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
• And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

These are instructions to His disciples, who would be sent out as Apostles, to make disciples of all nations, teaching them all things that He taught them. (See the great commission).


These is no such thing as the Jewish Church, or the Jewish Faith.


There is the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is building His Church upon the rock of His teachings, which begins with understanding that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God.


“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
Matthew 7:24



Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. Colossians 3:9-11





For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:26-29




JLB

 

[jaybo]

Your use of the word anti-semitism is out of line.
It is easy to see with your attitude that you are anti-gentile.
Get a life, will you?

I am not "anti-Gentile" by any stretch of the imagination. I am married to a Gentile and almost all my friends and acquaintances are Gentiles. If you charge me with being bigoted, how about some proof instead of off-the-wall slander?

Getting back to the subject, you wrote, "the Jews turned down Christ". As I said earlier, all the disciples were Jews. You didn't say "the majority of Jews", you said "Jews" with no qualifier, so your statement is wrong.

And yes, the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah.

BTW, I have a life, a blessed, full life. How about you?

 

[GodsGrace]

I am not "anti-Gentile" by any stretch of the imagination. I am married to a Gentile and almost all my friends and acquaintances are Gentiles. If you charge me with being bigoted, how about some proof instead of off-the-wall slander?

Getting back to the subject, you wrote, "the Jews turned down Christ". As I said earlier, all the disciples were Jews. You didn't say "the majority of Jews", you said "Jews" with no qualifier, so your statement is wrong.

And yes, the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah.

BTW, I have a life, a blessed, full life. How about you?

Ummmmm.
If you're going to charge me with being an anti-semite, how about some proof instead of off-the-wall slander?

And since you're big on qualifiers...
You just stated that the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah.

That means ALL Jews today accept Jesus since you didn't use a qualifier.

You should try to be nice...
CHRISTIANS should be different.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am not "anti-Gentile" by any stretch of the imagination. I am married to a Gentile and almost all my friends and acquaintances are Gentiles. If you charge me with being bigoted, how about some proof instead of off-the-wall slander?

Getting back to the subject, you wrote, "the Jews turned down Christ". As I said earlier, all the disciples were Jews. You didn't say "the majority of Jews", you said "Jews" with no qualifier, so your statement is wrong.

And yes, the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah.

BTW, I have a life, a blessed, full life. How about you?

Okay, I've gone over each and every post I've made in this thread.
Most of the threads I am in support of you.
No where did I say "the Jews turned down Christ although I will now say that is mostly true.
What you need to do is differentiate the posters on this forum and get them straight before you respond.
Your blessed full life has lots of room for improvement.

 

[jaybo]

Ummmmm.
If you're going to charge me with being an anti-semite, how about some proof instead of off-the-wall slander?

And since you're big on qualifiers...
You just stated that the current day Jews do accept Jesus as Messiah.

That means ALL Jews today accept Jesus since you didn't use a qualifier.

You should try to be nice...
CHRISTIANS should be different.

You wrote, "the Jews turned down Christ", which is blatantly wrong. It is classifying "the Jews" -- the definite article -- instead of some Jews. As I wrote earlier, Jesus and all His disciples (including Paul) were Jews, so saying that the Jews turned down Christ is wrong and implies anti-Semitism. It classifies an entire group, not a subset.

You should try to be nice...
CHRISTIANS should be different.

 

[christian1724]

Okay, I've ...
No where did I say "the Jews turned down Christ although I will now say that is mostly true. ...

I agree with that. I think that Jesus recognized the Jews as having generally not accepted Him as the following scripture suggest (He had just performed a partial? fulfillment of Zech 9:9 just outside of Jerusalem):

Luke 19:41-44 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

The 'daughter of Sion' accepted Him as their King and Savior. The 'daughter of Jerusalem' it seems would not yet accept Him at that time.

The only people that I know of who beheld their King coming to them: being just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass are the Christians of that day forward. No one else that I know of professes this belief. Therefore the Christians are surely representing the daughter of Zion.

 

[for_his_glory]

I couldn't check off any of the three.

If someone denies Jesus he will be lost.
But not all know of Jesus.

Romans tells us in chapter 1 that God has always revealed Himself. God is a just God, and this is so that everyone will have a chance to be saved.

Jesus appeared to a small tribal community by way of Abraham...but God created man and loves the whole world,,,not just Israel, which would make Romans incorrect if that were so.

Romans 1:20-25 God reveals Himself in nature by that which He has created in the beginning and said there is no one without excuse in not knowing Him.

Throughout the generations man have deceived themselves thinking there is no God. But yet, like the atheist, mention the name "God" even though they do not believe in Him. They recognize the name, but yet have no understanding, so somewhere they have heard, but rejected. It's not that man has not heard the name of God or His Son Christ Jesus, but they have turned a deaf ear from God calling them to salvation. The world has become one's own god as they walk in the lust thereof seeking their own vain glory.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I believe the Gospel message has been preached in every nation since that of the Disciples first being sent out to make more disciples of Christ throughout all the generations up to the time of Christ return. Romans 1:20 says no one is without excuse.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus Christ as the only way to life everlasting is fundamental. I think my question is why so many unbelievers are warming pews in churches all over America.

Those who warm the pews are explained in these scriptures.

2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[for_his_glory]

Maybe church is sort of like group therapy?

Church needs to be a place where we are fed the truths of the word of God according to that which has already been written.

 

[for_his_glory]

Because there Are other ways to God.

What others ways are there to God as Jesus said He was the only way to God.

 

[jaybo]

Those who warm the pews are explained in these scriptures.

2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I think that you're exaggerating. Perhaps 3:5 might be valid for "those who warm the pews", but I don't think that those same people "creep into houses" and don't " lead captive silly women laden with sins" or are " led away with divers lusts". They may be "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" but if they keep "warming the pews" perhaps they might grow in their faith over time.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus said His sheep follow Him. (John 10:27)
Jesus' words concerning sheep...to the Jews...were in regard to the Jewish "sheep".

Romans 11:7-24 To the Jew first then to the Gentiles to provoke the Jews to believe as the Gentiles were grafted into the branches.

BTW, there were many Gentiles at the time of Christ that also believed in Him.

 

[for_his_glory]

I think that you're exaggerating. Perhaps 3:5 might be valid for "those who warm the pews", but I don't think that those same people "creep into houses" and don't " lead captive silly women laden with sins" or are " led away with divers lusts". They may be "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" but if they keep "warming the pews" perhaps they might grow in their faith over time.

Look what Jesus said about those who warm the seat. If one is ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth then they are only lukewarm and Jesus will spue them out of His mouth.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

 

[for_his_glory]

That's an interesting statement.
Since Jesus is God, we only need to know God in whatever way he reveals himself to us.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew, Mark, John, Peter, Paul, James, Andrew, Thomas, and many more of the early believers and disciples were all Jews. In fact, Gentiles were excluded from being part of the Body of Christ until Paul received his commission.

So your statement that the Jews turned down Christ is diametrically opposite from the actual facts.

Can you prove that there were no Gentiles that followed after Jesus before Paul was commissioned to the Gentiles? Many crowded around Jesus to hear Him speak wherever He went.