Free said:
Mysteryman said:
I want to make this clear, as I did before in talking with Mike. How many crucifed with Christ will not disprove the trinity. That was not my purpose in mentioning the trinity in this conversation. My purpose for mentioning the three instead of 5 and then asking if the trinity might be the reason as to why blindness is in part. Was to see if there was a stumbling stone, a rock of offense , that was in the way of one seeing the truth. It is apparent that this is the case.
My main purpose for bringing this up, was to see if there were any who are capable of handling the scriptures in an honest but accurate way. In order that those who claim to know their bible, will acknowledge truth or error.. As simple as this kind of study is, it is no wonder that many have either fallen away, or they have not had teachers who were willing to tell those whom study the scriptures, how to study and come to a knowledge of the truth.
It was never my intent to win the debate or argument. As I have already won, because truth will always prevail . I have run the race. Put on the whole armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the whiles of the devil.
God Bless - MM
Except that you haven't shown your position to be the truth. It is the weaker, unsupported and biblically inaccurate position--it ignores grammar and makes far too many assumptions that need not be made.
I can make all those same claims against you but it will get us no where, so I guess that's that.
Hi Free
Actually you can't if you understand proper english and if you don't twist scripture in order to get the result you are looking for. Not only is your rendition faulty, it is down right erroneous. My position has been explained using the exact words within the scriptures without altering them in any way. Also, your replies are full of assumptions when it come to those who were crucifed with Christ, as you twist things and make references that are just not true. There is no mention of one of the malefactors mocking Jesus then repenting of his mocking of Jesus. You just added that as an assumption.
But then again, many read the scriptures in the manner in which you do. Add a little something here , take away a little something there, and omit, change , assume, and whallla , private interpretation ! And the scriptures are of no private interpretation, period !
Quote Free : "It is significant that only two are mentioned and no others. Why mention that there were two criminals and then neglect to mention any others? "
You say significant , but for what significance ? The Word did not neglect to mention the others. It was very specific that there were two robbers,and two malefactors. All you need to do is read the gospels and collect the fullness of the information given. No one gosple gives all the information.
I also explained in detail using the exact words within scripture , showing the braking of the legs. Here again, you make references about this that are not even within scripture , and again make huge leaps and expectations of how it could have happened, instead of how it exactly did happen.
Here is what you said Free >
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Notice "other," which is singular. And yet once again we see that only three are mentioned. That they waited until last to come to Jesus"
Again you either forgot or ignore the fact that Jesus was in the midst (middle) !! How could they possibly come to him last without passing by him ?
Then again, people who read the Word of God, do this all the time, because they desire an end result of their own faith. And will say anything to come to that conclusion.
I am not asking you, or anyone else to believe that there were four crucified with Christ. I was asking for the purpose of seeing, if anyone can read the scriptures without any bias about what they believe, before they come to study the scriptures. Preconceived beliefs will always interupt your ability to study the scriptures for the sole purpose of looking for the truth.
The scriptures are not to be read to prove your personnal theories. They are to be studied in order that you worship God in Spirit and
in truth.
For the most part, Nick, which failed to give the correct answer. Did not twist scripture in his response. All he said , was that he could only see two. And even though some day he might understand that there were four instead of two crucified with Christ. Or even if he does not ever come to this correct conclusion, he most certainly did not twist scripture in order that he might give his answer. For that alone he should be applauded. There is nothing wrong with saying - "I don't know", or "I only see two". But there is going to be some serious answering to the Lord God on how one twists scripture to get an end result.
Some day we all must give an account of ourselves to the Lord. I am no better than anyone else when it comes to my own day of judgement. However, sometimes some tend to forget , or just don't believe this to the utmost. So their actions or statments or comments or suggestions are not based upon this fact. Thus they go about with no respect for the Lord and His Word. I think about this every time I type something for someone else to read and study from. I emplore you to do the same.
Bless
But everything that I've read, from all the accounts leads to there being 2 others crucified with Jesus.
