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The ONLY way to be saved is to be Born Again! The only to be Born Again is to [[OBEY GOD]]. And then ONLY ONLY ONLY is one given the Holy Ghost! Acts 5:32
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The abomination of desolation
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Elijah674 said:
At Cornelius' house, when the Holy Spirit fell on all - did they all "obey" Him? If so, in what way?
In Acts 19, did they all "obey" Him? And if so, in what way?
In Acts 8, did all those in Samaria "obey" Him, when Philip preached to them? If so, in what way?
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lecoop said:
Well that is not hard to understand! Ask [yourself] if one was pointing a loaded gun at you and told you to blaspheme God & he would not kill you, what would you do?? Any other answer to that question than OBEY GOD finds one Acts 5:32 DESOLATE of the Holy Ghost! John 3:3 And the Acts time/period had most all making that DECISION! And yes, death in any fashion of the OBEDIENT to Christ was the perfered way perhaps?
--Elijah
PS: But were you not the Titus 3:9-11 one that understands NOTHING that 'i' post?? I do think that this is enough said to you by me.
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Elijah674 said:
PS, PS:
Acts 5:32 Is CONDITIONAL as seen in heavens rebellion!! [IF, IF, IF] We will OBEY GOD INSPIRATION! (and even then it is NOT OSAS! Heb. 6:6)
lecoop said:
That sure is strange, because the pre-trib "secret rapture" theory actually teaches that Christ's coming is imminent, and can happen at ANY time. Is that "LOOKING" for Christ's coming in the sense of watching the times and the seasons our Lord and His Apostles gave leading up to His return? Or does it mean to expect His coming only, while not being required to know the events (times and the seasons) that lead up to His return?
The pre-trib "secret rapture" theory originally taught that since no man knows the day or hour of Christ's return, then it's impossible to watch or know the times and the seasons leading up to it. That's what the Imminent idea is about also. It's why the doctrine is also known as the "any moment" doctrine. That's why the doctrine was originally called the "SECRET rapture", which meant Christ's gathering of His saints would be in 'secret' prior to the tribulation.
And of course, none of those ideas fit the Scripture evidence of a post-tribulational coming of our Lord Jesus to gather His saints.
Elijah674 said:Elijah674 said:
PS, PS:
Acts 5:32 Is CONDITIONAL as seen in heavens rebellion!! [IF, IF, IF] We will OBEY GOD INSPIRATION! (and even then it is NOT OSAS! Heb. 6:6)
Titus 3:9-11 reads the same when I read it, as it does when you read it.
It is not that I don't understand what you post, it is that about the only thing I can believe that you post is the scriptures themselves.
Coop
n2thelight
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Coop
Question,why do you seperate the Church and Israel?
Question,why do you seperate the Church and Israel?
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Elijah674
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Eccl. 3:14 & Rev. 22:18-19 FIND God does not CHANGE! Josh. 7:12's last part of the verse! Has the bottom/line ETERNAL TRUTH SEEN!! Heb. 13:8 Eternal FACT!
One can play with His Word, but that is also a given fact of its outcome! Obad. 1:16
OK: Old Israrel is a DONE DEAL in the Midst of the Seven Years. Matt. 23:38 YOUR [HOUSE} IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE. What more of an ABOMINATION COULD THAT BE????????? 70 AD is the 39 yr. after/thought! (prophesied) And Isa. 5 finds the ones of John 12:42-43 JUDGING BETWIXT CHRIST & HIS VINEYARD! Isa. 5 [PROPHSIED TRUTH] of Christ's ex/candelstick! Rev. 2:5 Isa. 5:7 tells who the VINEYARD IS, (was) the [HOUSE] (Sanctuary, Doctrine, Teachings & Steven was filled with the Holy Ghost & call it the [[CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS]]. Acts 7:38.
Then comes [NOTHING NEW!] Eccl. 3:15 The Acts REMNANT with the same Truths that FOLLOWED CHRIST [[[OUT]]]! Matt. 25 & [[[THE DOOR OF PROBATION WAS CLOSED!]] The Repeat of the STRIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT for well past the 120 years of Noah's preaching! + Old Israel as a CANDELSTICK & Laodicea of Rev. 3:16's SPEWED OUT ONES who became as a repeat of old Israel as seen in verse 6 as the synagogue of satan.
OK: The DOCTRINES were NEVER the problem! Matt. 23:3. And in both candelstick CHURCH REJECTS there came out a REMNANT ONLY! Again a re/peat! Matt. 10:5-6 on! (see ibid. 15) and then from Laodicea came the REMNANT of Rev. 12:17! Both ex/brides are killing machines of satan.. Cain on!
These are verses mostly from memory, so are needing to be checked out. The facts are OK. If you find one versed wrong? let me find the correct one for you forum. But when God makes a STATEMENT, it is a FACT! All of the SALVATIONAL PART OF THE WORD OF GOD IS CONDITIONAL ON OBEDIENCE!
---Elijah
One can play with His Word, but that is also a given fact of its outcome! Obad. 1:16
OK: Old Israrel is a DONE DEAL in the Midst of the Seven Years. Matt. 23:38 YOUR [HOUSE} IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE. What more of an ABOMINATION COULD THAT BE????????? 70 AD is the 39 yr. after/thought! (prophesied) And Isa. 5 finds the ones of John 12:42-43 JUDGING BETWIXT CHRIST & HIS VINEYARD! Isa. 5 [PROPHSIED TRUTH] of Christ's ex/candelstick! Rev. 2:5 Isa. 5:7 tells who the VINEYARD IS, (was) the [HOUSE] (Sanctuary, Doctrine, Teachings & Steven was filled with the Holy Ghost & call it the [[CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS]]. Acts 7:38.
Then comes [NOTHING NEW!] Eccl. 3:15 The Acts REMNANT with the same Truths that FOLLOWED CHRIST [[[OUT]]]! Matt. 25 & [[[THE DOOR OF PROBATION WAS CLOSED!]] The Repeat of the STRIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT for well past the 120 years of Noah's preaching! + Old Israel as a CANDELSTICK & Laodicea of Rev. 3:16's SPEWED OUT ONES who became as a repeat of old Israel as seen in verse 6 as the synagogue of satan.
OK: The DOCTRINES were NEVER the problem! Matt. 23:3. And in both candelstick CHURCH REJECTS there came out a REMNANT ONLY! Again a re/peat! Matt. 10:5-6 on! (see ibid. 15) and then from Laodicea came the REMNANT of Rev. 12:17! Both ex/brides are killing machines of satan.. Cain on!
These are verses mostly from memory, so are needing to be checked out. The facts are OK. If you find one versed wrong? let me find the correct one for you forum. But when God makes a STATEMENT, it is a FACT! All of the SALVATIONAL PART OF THE WORD OF GOD IS CONDITIONAL ON OBEDIENCE!
---Elijah
onelove said:
Very simple: God does.
Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
This is not about the church.
Same people:
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Coop
GodspromisesRyes
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How do you know for sure that isnt about the church?Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.lecoop said:
Rom 7:3 So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Here paul compairs us to a WOMAN who is now married to Christ that we should bring forth HIS FRUIT.
Now the scripture you gave from daniel says HOLY PEOPLE. My question to you is, what makes a people holy? Can anyone be holy apart from faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? the gospel says no. ANd if a person believes in the Lord Jesus and repents then they are saved by Him, and become part of His body, they become the temple of God as the Holy Spirit comes and dwells in them, They are the church. There is no other HOLY PEOPLE other than those saved by faith in Christ Jesus no matter their flesh.
Now all of those scriptures in daniel talk about how the saints(which is what we are called all through the NT) will be strong and do expoilts and we will inherit the kingdom.- Is this not what we are promised in the new covenant saved in Christ Jesus to inherit with him?
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Matt. 18 agree with you (some, huh?) Christ has an ORGANIZED BODY CHURCH Eph, 4:5. Not a bunch of [LOOSE CANNON'S] who claim to follow Him, but DO NOT! With these ones heaven would be NO different than under Luciffers rebellion! ---Elijah
[14] Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And if the CHURCH will not clean up [[their]] filthy doctrines taught well past Gen. 6:3's comparisen of the STRIVING'S OF THE HOLY GHOST for 120 years!??? The DONE DEAL IS DOCUMENTED in Rev, 17:1-5!
[14] Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And if the CHURCH will not clean up [[their]] filthy doctrines taught well past Gen. 6:3's comparisen of the STRIVING'S OF THE HOLY GHOST for 120 years!??? The DONE DEAL IS DOCUMENTED in Rev, 17:1-5!
GodspromisesRyes said:
What you're facing is false doctrines among Dispensationalists that try to separate prophecy about Israel from Apostle Paul's commission to the Gentiles.
Gal 2:7
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
(KJV)
Some dispensationalists today are preaching the falsehood that two separate Gospels exist, one for Israel (through Peter), and another for Gentiles (through Paul). They regard ALL prophecy given involving Israel as excluding Gentile believers. Those on that twin gospel falsehood even go to the extremes of treating the four Gospel Books as meant ONLY for Israel, and not the Gentiles! Those ideas are like a type of worship of Apostle Paul.
Paul himself rebuked that attempt at division of Christ's Body...
1 Cor 1:11-16
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, "I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
(KJV)
In God's Word, believing Israel and believing Gentiles that make up Christ's Church are not separate. And only One Gospel exists for both.
Acts 9:15
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
(KJV)
Paul preached the same Gospel of Jesus Christ to Gentiles and to the children of Israel. Peter did also, and actually was the first to be called to preach to Gentiles per Acts 10.
That division idea by Dispensationalists came out of their need to answer problems the Pre-Trib "secret rapture" theory had caused, because of Scripture like Rev.7 of 144,000 Israelites that are sealed by God to go through the tribulation. That's why in Rev.7:9 forward about Gentiles, they often deny the saved Gentiles shown there having gone through the tribulation too.
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+ Matt. 10:5 & 6 went to the LOST SHEEP which [STAYED PUT]! (John 12:42-43) Acts was the same Truth as old Israel had. And the Israel of God just EXTENDED onward with the 'REMNANT' that Obeyed the Matt. 5 & 6 on MESSAGE and followed Christ [OUT]! (Matt. 25 & the DOOR WAS SHUT!) And verse 15 of Matt. 10 found ALL EALSE yoked inside still REJECTING CHRIST & will be the worst in Judgement because they KNEW THE TRUTHS! Luke 12:42-43
--Elijah
--Elijah
GodspromisesRyes said:
Surely you jest!! How do I know it is not abut the church?
Daniel wrote this perhaps 550 BC, LONG before the church even existed. It was written by a JEW. (Hebrew.) It was written TO Jews (Hebrews.) It would be silly for anyone to think it would be FOR anyone else BUT the Jews (Hebrews.)
Dan 12:1 is about the days of great tribulation that are found during the time of "Jacob's trouble." Jacob was a Hebrew. 12:1 also speaks of Michael arising, "the great prince who protects your people." WHOSE people? Daniel's people, or HEBREWS.
Daniel again writes, "But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered." Again speaking to Hebrews about Hebrews.
In verse 5 someone crys out: "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?"
Of course it is speaking of things during the time of "Jacob's trouble." Again it is a Hebrew writing TO Hebrews ABOUT Hebrews.
Why then, would ANYONE think this could possibly be about the church?
Coop
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Naw Coop is way out in left field! He is even in the starting time of the Matt. 24:21 great Tribulation in escalation, at present! And the CHURCH that he says was not in Daniels day???? The guy is even OUT OF GODS BALLPARK! In Acts 7 Stephen WAS FILED WITH THE HOLY GHOST (ibid. 55) and here is DOCUMENTATION FROM THE HOLY GHOST that.. '..THIS WAS HE THAT WAS IN THE CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS..' Acts 7:38. Some best study the Lords WARNING in the closing of His BOOK!
+ Matt. 10:5 & 6 went to the LOST SHEEP which [STAYED PUT]! (John 12:42-43) Acts was the same Truth as old Israel had. And the Israel of God just EXTENDED onward with the 'REMNANT' that Obeyed the Matt. 5 & 6 on MESSAGE and followed Christ [OUT]! (Matt. 25 & the DOOR WAS SHUT!) And verse 15 of Matt. 10 found ALL EALSE yoked inside still REJECTING CHRIST & will be the worst in Judgement because they KNEW THE TRUTHS! Luke 12:42-43
This above was & is the truth. Just THINK!! ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE. What was the FINISHED ABOMINATION that made the Matt. 23:38 HOUSE OF GOD DESOLATE? (Isa. 5:3..see verse 7 for Christ's VINEYARD CHURCH!!)
Now: Why was His ex/church made DESOLATE??? And it took NO War! When they CRIED THAT WE HAVE [NO KING] BUT CEASAR, who immediately took over Christ CHURCH? Again see Rev. 3:9! OK: Now they STAYED PUT as seen in Matt. 10:5 & 6 on, and BECAME satan's EXECUTING machine! Christ Himself was to be FIRST! Look at the Heb. 6:6 verse for the repeats of some of these ones?
And you have heard that some ones do not know enough to come in out of the rain?? Well, Coop is already in the tribulation rain! And he ain't go'in NO WHERE, unless it is the grave.
But he will awaken soon lets hope?
--Elijah
+ Matt. 10:5 & 6 went to the LOST SHEEP which [STAYED PUT]! (John 12:42-43) Acts was the same Truth as old Israel had. And the Israel of God just EXTENDED onward with the 'REMNANT' that Obeyed the Matt. 5 & 6 on MESSAGE and followed Christ [OUT]! (Matt. 25 & the DOOR WAS SHUT!) And verse 15 of Matt. 10 found ALL EALSE yoked inside still REJECTING CHRIST & will be the worst in Judgement because they KNEW THE TRUTHS! Luke 12:42-43
This above was & is the truth. Just THINK!! ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE. What was the FINISHED ABOMINATION that made the Matt. 23:38 HOUSE OF GOD DESOLATE? (Isa. 5:3..see verse 7 for Christ's VINEYARD CHURCH!!)
Now: Why was His ex/church made DESOLATE??? And it took NO War! When they CRIED THAT WE HAVE [NO KING] BUT CEASAR, who immediately took over Christ CHURCH? Again see Rev. 3:9! OK: Now they STAYED PUT as seen in Matt. 10:5 & 6 on, and BECAME satan's EXECUTING machine! Christ Himself was to be FIRST! Look at the Heb. 6:6 verse for the repeats of some of these ones?
And you have heard that some ones do not know enough to come in out of the rain?? Well, Coop is already in the tribulation rain! And he ain't go'in NO WHERE, unless it is the grave.
But he will awaken soon lets hope?
--Elijah
GodspromisesRyes
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(veteren firstly amen to everything you said!)lecoop said:
coop, ok well lets think about this for a moment.
Who inspired the scriptures to be written? Was it men or was it GOD? Did Daniel and Isaiah, and Jeremiah and Ezekiel write what they wanted to write to whom they wanted to write it? OR Did God inspire men to write it when, where, how , and to whom HE wanted to?
Secondly who is Daniel? Yes He is a jew, is he not also a SAINT? a Holy man? a prophet? This is important because if you have the idea that daniel was a jew so daniel intended to wrte only to jews, and only to jews of his time then we are putting alot on Daniel instead of looking at GODS intentions and even Daniels own words.
PAUL tells us a few important things on these matters. Firstly He tells us in Eph that now we gentiles in Christ are:
Eph 2:19 ¶ Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
So we are NOW FELLOWCITIZENS OF THE SAINTS= DANIEL. WE are fellowcitizens with DANIEL and Isaiah and all the saints of all time. We are no longer :strangers: which is a national term meaning we are no longer just strangers of the commonwealth of Israel but fellowcitizens.- SO WHO in the END TIMES are DANIELS PEOPLE?- They are all SAINTS. they are the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD of which we now are a part.
Now you can interject Daniel being a jew all day but it means nothing, Daniel did not specifiy his nationality over and over again, Nor being a jew, nor his tribe, nor his land But what He did specifiy is " holy people" " saints". Which we now are in Christ Jesus.
More than that Daniel wrote prophesy and said that it was to be SEALED UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END'.
So what Daniel wrote was NOT just to the jews of His time, but it was written for the people alive in the end when it was unsealed to understand. With this there is no way that one can stick to the idea that it MUST be jews only and it MUST BE for his time. Daniel himself did not say these things and stressed the opposite. And more so than that often what the prophets wrote, they DID NOT KNOW the full meaning of because they mystery of the kingdom was not revealed to them yet which is why paul tells us that the things that are revealed to us, the prophets have desired to know!
Now If we are going to say " well it was written by a jew to jews in such and such years, so it is not for us or about us or to us" then we have a problem with paul because He spoke otherwise.
1Cr 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
So paul tells the CHURCH that while all these things in the wilderness happened to Israel, that they were ensamples to US and were WRITTEN FOR US! So clearly we can see that scripture written along time ago, by jews to jews at the time, was also clearly written FOR US THE CHURCH- AMEN how awesome is that.
See the church was not an afterthought in Gods mind or plan. The CHURCH was ALWAYS GODS PLAN AND PURPOSE! WE were the mystery that was ordained before the foundation of the world but was hidden! All through the OT we see parables, examples, prophesies of the church and the saints in Christ but they were sealed until the times of the end. Paul spends alot of time quoting the OT prophesies and relating them to US. But the prophets had no idea what they meant as far as we are concerned! That does not mean they did not speak to US and about US it just means no one knew until it was revealed.
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Paul says clearly that this prophesy is about both the jews and gentiles whom God had afore prepared unto glory! Now when every jew read Hosea they thought it was only about them, until it was revealed through Paul but clearly we see that WE were prophesied of and talked to in the OT long before any one other than God knew what He would make us.
GOD has eternal purposes and plans and they are shown forth in His word. We need to look at the word of God as it is GODS eternal word, containing His eternal plans and purposes and promises. NOT like it is just the word of this man of this flesh in this time.
GodspromisesRyes said:
Of course this is true, when speaking OF THE CHURCH. But the Jews (Hebrews) living in Jerusalem during the 70th week have rejected Jesus as the Messiah, just as most of their ancestors have done since Jesus rose from the dead. They are NOT a part of the church. They are descendants of Jacob, but not a part of the body of Christ. Therefore you CANNOT use scriptures concerning the body of Christ as an argument. They are OUTSIDE the body of Christ. They will not believe Jesus is their Messiah until they SEE with their own eyes, the one they pierced.
God speaks to three different groups of people in end times scriptures: the church, the Jews (Hebrews) and the nations. If one mixes up who God is speaking to........well, it is one reason why we see SO MUCH disagreement here on this forum.
I suppose you all also want to find the church hidden somewhere in this verse?
Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
Will you say that God's plan is to utterly destroy the power of the church?
Dan 12:7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Can you come up with some logical (or scriptural) reason WHY God would desire to shatter, crush or break the power of the church?
Coop
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OK: Start with Rev. 1:19-20 verse 20 says: '... AND THE SEVEN GOLDEN CANDELSTICKS. The seven stars are the angels of the [SEVEN CHURCHS:] and the [SEVEN CANDELSTICKS] WHICH THOU SAWEST [ARE THE SEVEN CHURCHS].'
Rev. 2
[4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
[5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; [[or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place]], except thou repent.
Both Old Israel & New Israel were both replaced! Philadelphia replaced the 7th last Virgin Candelstick. Rev. 3:16's SPEWED OUT could be NO more [FINISHED] than that [WARNING] as Eccl. 3:15 has long befor DOCUMENTED!
Both times there was a 'REMNANT' [only] that replaced the fallen candelstick leaving only six. Both were on the scene at the exact same time! Both had & are having a Great Shaking or Falling Away with the Remnant replacing the ex/candelstick that STAYED PUT YOKED TOGETHER! And With Christ Still being the Eternal CENTER/PIECE!
The GREATEST EVENT watched even in heaven by angels happened in the [MIDST OF THE WEEK] (seven days or years of 27-34 AD) as Christ was replaced in His ex/bride with the one of Rev. 3:9. There could BE NO MORE OF AN ABOMINATION THAN THIS! They as a FOLD (Church) DIVORCED CHRIST!
AGAIN..... 'WE HAVE NO KING BUT CEASER IS THEIR INSPIRED DOCUMENTED CRY! And the ones of Rev. 17:1-5?? You go read that one as well? All those CHURCH's ARE PAST/TENSE!
What you need to do is toss ous all your rubbish when Eccl. 3:15 + Eccl. 1:9-10 +Gen. 41:32 that is TWICE DOCUMENTED AS ESTABLISHED BY GOD is Violated by your 'thinking'!
(and we are talking of SAVATIONAL Doctrine here, not the rainbow in the sky acknowledgement by God, or Nah. 1:9
Elijah)
Rev. 2
[4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
[5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; [[or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place]], except thou repent.
Both Old Israel & New Israel were both replaced! Philadelphia replaced the 7th last Virgin Candelstick. Rev. 3:16's SPEWED OUT could be NO more [FINISHED] than that [WARNING] as Eccl. 3:15 has long befor DOCUMENTED!
Both times there was a 'REMNANT' [only] that replaced the fallen candelstick leaving only six. Both were on the scene at the exact same time! Both had & are having a Great Shaking or Falling Away with the Remnant replacing the ex/candelstick that STAYED PUT YOKED TOGETHER! And With Christ Still being the Eternal CENTER/PIECE!
The GREATEST EVENT watched even in heaven by angels happened in the [MIDST OF THE WEEK] (seven days or years of 27-34 AD) as Christ was replaced in His ex/bride with the one of Rev. 3:9. There could BE NO MORE OF AN ABOMINATION THAN THIS! They as a FOLD (Church) DIVORCED CHRIST!
AGAIN..... 'WE HAVE NO KING BUT CEASER IS THEIR INSPIRED DOCUMENTED CRY!
And the ones of Rev. 17:1-5?? You go read that one as well? All those CHURCH's ARE PAST/TENSE!What you need to do is toss ous all your rubbish when Eccl. 3:15 + Eccl. 1:9-10 +Gen. 41:32 that is TWICE DOCUMENTED AS ESTABLISHED BY GOD is Violated by your 'thinking'!
(and we are talking of SAVATIONAL Doctrine here, not the rainbow in the sky acknowledgement by God, or Nah. 1:9Elijah)
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Yes, because it is given to the enemy to PERSECUTE.lecoop said:
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits].
Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, [many] days.
Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Dan 11:35 And [some] of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make [them] white, [even] to the time of the end: because [it is] yet for a time appointed.
Mat 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
I do not deny that God speaks to both US beleivers- and the unbelieving jews calling them jacob, when they are only of the flesh. But Believers of any flesh are ISRAEL- the CHURCH.
Now you say that in the tribulation the jews do not believe so they are not part of the church, and they wont believe until they SEE. You also say that the church is gone and has no part at all. The problem is a couple things. 1 there are NO HOLY PEOPLE outside of Christ Jesus. Only when a person believes are they Holy. 2 End time prophesy and revelation is FULL OF SAINTS who overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony. Who are being persecuted by the beast, who are preaching the gospel to the ends of the earth, who are doing expoilts. Who are being martyred.- THESE MUST BE THE CHURCH, made of both jew and gentile because they are clearly shown to walk in the new covenant by faith by the blood of Christ.
THere is only ONE body of SAVED people.= ISRAEL_ THE CHURCH_ THE BODY OF CHRIST.
If one is a believer they MUST BE part of these people and if they are not of these people they are not holy, they do not overcome by his blood, they are not saints.