The book of Revelation is coming true.......the fifth trumpet!

[Themessengeroftruth]

How and when did the Lord tell you these things?

There was a period in my life when I was in bondage in my own home. For a whole year night and day I was listening to the bible. I didn't not like reading it as much as I enjoyed listening to it.

Than in that time from May last year to May this year those thing were told.

The things concerning the end of the world was told around October.

It was like a puzzle and when I was listening to different books I kept hearing the same stuff it was like he was saying he something but using different words from the old testament to the new cause I was random how I listened to the bible I just picked any book.

I first started with proverbs and I was amazed what I heard. For what I heard in proverbs I saw with my own eyes in my life and the lives of others.

My life never been the same since. Then I started having amazing dreams and hearing voices.

One voice sounded like a voice of a multitude of people.

No one understood and my parents thought I was crazy

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

did not*

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

The same thing not something*

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

And by this I know for a non wavering fact we are in the last days because the seal of Daniel was lifted to me and others (to whom it is appointed)

 

[Kathi]

Two problems arise with a mid-tribulation rapture.The only occurrence of the term "great tribulation" in the entire book of Revelation is 7:14.Second,the only reference to a "great day of wrath" is in Revelation 6:17.Both come too early for a mid-tribulation rapture.

 

[follower]

Yeshua returns soon, right before Israel/or/ Yerusalem is overrun. When all of Israel cries out with one heart and soul and mind "Blessed is He Who comes in the Name Adonai".....
He doesn't return twice, just once.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Two problems arise with a mid-tribulation rapture.The only occurrence of the term "great tribulation" in the entire book of Revelation is 7:14.Second,the only reference to a "great day of wrath" is in Revelation 6:17.Both come too early for a mid-tribulation rapture.

Again who said mid tribulation rapture? that is the thing

What is the rapture according to man?

Now what is the rapture according to scripture?

Great day of wrath, judgment day, day of The Lord

Different phases but he speaks of the same thing

America, the U.S, the land of the free, North America, the United States.

I used different terms but the same place

Jesus does the same thing in the scriptures

 

[Kathi]

Yeshua returns soon, right before Israel/or/ Yerusalem is overrun. When all of Israel cries out with one heart and soul and mind "Blessed is He Who comes in the Name Adonai".....
He doesn't return twice, just once.

Yes,He only touches His feet on earth once.That is the second coming.

 

[follower]

Yes,He only touches His feet on earth once.That is the second coming.

Before His feet touch earth, His people rise up in the sky to meet Him. That's the only time in Scripture that His people rise up to meet Him from now until He returns. That's the only time Scripture says He returns to earth. When He returns, we rule with Him on earth just exactly as it is written. i.e. the 'rapture' occurs exactly as Scripture says, when He returns to rule. There's no other place to go either --- if believers left earth, well, they don't. There's nothing in Scripture describing somewhere else to go to rule.

 

[Kathi]

Before His feet touch earth, His people rise up in the sky to meet Him. That's the only time in Scripture that His people rise up to meet Him from now until He returns. That's the only time Scripture says He returns to earth. When He returns, we rule with Him on earth just exactly as it is written. i.e. the 'rapture' occurs exactly as Scripture says, when He returns to rule. There's no other place to go either --- if believers left earth, well, they don't. There's nothing in Scripture describing somewhere else to go to rule.

Not according to what I believe.I think that the Church will meet the Lord in the clouds before the tribulation starts.But everyone here has their own ideas.

 

[follower]

I know you said what you believe. Look up in Revelation how many times Yeshua returns to earth. That's enough to discredit the rapture "theory" .
Being with Yeshua when He returns is perfect and according to His Word that's His PLan.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Not according to what I believe.I think that the Church will meet the Lord in the clouds before the tribulation starts.But everyone here has their own ideas.

Before His feet touch earth, His people rise up in the sky to meet Him. That's the only time in Scripture that His people rise up to meet Him from now until He returns. That's the only time Scripture says He returns to earth. When He returns, we rule with Him on earth just exactly as it is written. i.e. the 'rapture' occurs exactly as Scripture says, when He returns to rule. There's no other place to go either --- if believers left earth, well, they don't. There's nothing in Scripture describing somewhere else to go to rule.

Both of you are not correct concerning this.

Let me ask both of u when Jesus said two are in the field one is left and the other is taken

Where did Jesus say they where going when the apostles asked him where lord?

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Were*

 

[follower]

Matthew 24 Complete Jewish Bible
24 As Yeshua left the Temple and was going away, his talmidim came and called his attention to its buildings. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these? Yes! I tell you, they will be totally destroyed — not a single stone will be left standing!”

3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the talmidim came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that you are coming, and that the ‘olam hazeh is ending?”

4 Yeshua replied: “Watch out! Don’t let anyone fool you! 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah!’ and they will lead many astray. 6 You will hear the noise of wars nearby and the news of wars far off; see to it that you don’t become frightened. Such things must happen, but the end is yet to come. 7 For peoples will fight each other, nations will fight each other, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various parts of the world; 8 all this is but the beginning of the ‘birth-pains.’ 9 At that time you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and put to death, and all peoples will hate you because of me. 10 At that time many will be trapped into betraying and hating each other, 11 many false prophets will appear and fool many people; 12 and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. 13 But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered.

no place does it say believers are treated well, or spared from the trouble physically.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Is

Matthew 24 Complete Jewish Bible
24 As Yeshua left the Temple and was going away, his talmidim came and called his attention to its buildings. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these? Yes! I tell you, they will be totally destroyed — not a single stone will be left standing!”

3 When he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the talmidim came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that you are coming, and that the ‘olam hazeh is ending?”

4 Yeshua replied: “Watch out! Don’t let anyone fool you! 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah!’ and they will lead many astray. 6 You will hear the noise of wars nearby and the news of wars far off; see to it that you don’t become frightened. Such things must happen, but the end is yet to come. 7 For peoples will fight each other, nations will fight each other, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various parts of the world; 8 all this is but the beginning of the ‘birth-pains.’ 9 At that time you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and put to death, and all peoples will hate you because of me. 10 At that time many will be trapped into betraying and hating each other, 11 many false prophets will appear and fool many people; 12 and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah. 13 But whoever holds out till the end will be delivered.

no place does it say believers are treated well, or spared from the trouble physically.

Is mathew the only book in the New Testament Jesus spoke in?

What about luke and mark?

And u forgot the rest of the mathew 24
But why did god say In mathew 24
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Why did he say this?

 

[follower]

nothing is forgotten. enough was posted for the context. why your questions ?

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

nothing is forgotten. enough was posted for the context. why your questions ?

Well we debating scripture you say one thing and I say another.

I agree with you on one saying u say but disagree on another

I agree when u say believers are not spared from trouble but disagree that u say no believers are spared from trouble

So I ask these questions if u know then tell if u don't know then tell I'm not condemning u because u know or do not but I seek to justify,

Because there is parts to judgment day.

I ask the question I asked because I want to know why god says this?
Then why does he say in luke. 17 37

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the bodyis, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Why is Jesus referring to dead bodies and eagles when the apostles asked where are they who are taken in the rapture going?

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

If only god could answer out of the wind. Wait remember he did in the book of job

Job 39

27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?

28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.

29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.

30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.


Could it be that god is saying they who are taken In this rapture are going to be killed first?

But wait why does god by the apostles say

1 Thessalonians 4 17 say

Then we which are alive andremain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


But wait why does revelation say

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

No one ever thought to ask how is god gonna save or gather his people who will be on the earth during the 1000 year reign. Before the fire devoured them all

 

[follower]

on the last question , first : this seems the best version and not contradicting any other Scripture >
Luke 17:37
Expanded Bible (EXB)
37 ·The followers [L They] asked Jesus, “·Where will this be [L Where], Lord?”
Jesus answered, “Where there is a ·dead body [corpse], there the vultures will gather [C the carnage will make the place of judgment obvious to all].”

the disciples don't ask about rapture; they either already know or find out later that when Yeshua returns to earth they meet Him in the air and return to set feet on earth to rule with Him.
until that lady in 1832 told her dream to a pastor that decided to profit from it, no disciple or apostle ever talked about a secret rapture. it does grab peoples attention and devotion but for reasons undisclosed.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

on the last question , first : this seems the best version and not contradicting any other Scripture >
Luke 17:37
Expanded Bible (EXB)
37 ·The followers [L They] asked Jesus, “·Where will this be [L Where], Lord?”
Jesus answered, “Where there is a ·dead body [corpse], there the vultures will gather [C the carnage will make the place of judgment obvious to all].”

the disciples don't ask about rapture; they either already know or find out later that when Yeshua returns to earth they meet Him in the air and return to set feet on earth to rule with Him.
until that lady in 1832 told her dream to a pastor that decided to profit from it, no disciple or apostle ever talked about a secret rapture. it does grab peoples attention and devotion but for reasons undisclosed.

Hmm that's interesting u say they are not talking about the rapture when they asked the question

But why does the context of the scripture seem like they are speaking about the rapture?

My question is where are the people jesus is talking about in luke and mathew going?

When he says one is taken the other left?

Why is Jesus referring to the dead as if they are going to be killed?


Luke
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.