The "End Times"

[Edward]

Symbolic for what?

Daniel just might be the least symbolic book of the entire Bible. It literally prophecisized the exact day of Jesus's triumphant entry into Jerusalem. The book of Daniel is one of those books that really prove the Bible, if you pay attention.

Don't ask for chapter and verse right now, this is from memory and it was a study on Daniel. It's in there. I know that for sure.

 

[Edward]

Hey, how bout that?! I found something fast.
This is in addition to my previous post.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Daniel just might be the least symbolic book of the entire Bible. It literally prophecisized the exact day of Jesus's triumphant entry into Jerusalem. The book of Daniel is one of those books that really prove the Bible, if you pay attention.

Well, there is also a lot of symbolism. I just read it and the symbolism is undeniable. The animals described aren’t real beasts, for example.

Don't ask for chapter and verse right now, this is from memory and it was a study on Daniel. It's in there. I know that for sure.

I’m afraid you’ll need to supply chapter and verse. I could not find it.

 

[Northman]

However it is a very common statement among critical scholars.
Boldness is needed to disregard old ideas.

Well you can say and have the feelings you want about it, but you aren't going to get movement on the issue, as in there isn't going to be anyone who goes "Well golly gee gosh that guy is right, the doubt he planted was successful and I don't believe that Daniel is a book of the bible anymore. Heck it's probably all fake in one way or another. Maybe I can get this kid to teach me more".

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Any man.
As an individual:
Jew, Greek, male, female, bond, free etc.

You said it right Edward.

eddif

You do know he was speaking to the church, right?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hey, how bout that?! I found something fast.
This is in addition to my previous post.

Can’t you just give me chapter and verse plain as asked? If it’s there it’s an easy request. Where does Daniel say the Jews will repent during the Tribulation in Daniel?

 

[eddif]

You do know he was speaking to the church, right?

Based on the day of the gentile inclusion I would say Jew Gentile church member any man.

Paul was not a church member when he was called, and filled.

The exact church Revelation 3:20 follows is just about not a church , and not a church in good standing,

Hebrews 1:1 kjv
1. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4.Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

eddif

 

[T. E. Smith]

Symbolic for what?

It is the absolutely perfect number. It might also indicate a joining of the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles, multiplying them to get 144.

Someday I'll marvel at your strong will and fierce spirit. But not today. Not tomorrow either.

Okay...

Daniel just might be the least symbolic book of the entire Bible.

You cannot be serious! It is full of symbolism. Even the first half, with the sections on the statue of the multiple materials, is symbolic.

Well you can say and have the feelings you want about it, but you aren't going to get movement on the issue, as in there isn't going to be anyone who goes "Well golly gee gosh that guy is right, the doubt he planted was successful and I don't believe that Daniel is a book of the bible anymore. Heck it's probably all fake in one way or another. Maybe I can get this kid to teach me more".

Of course not. How stupid do you think I am? I know how close-minded Christians can be.

However, I, if no one else, was moved on the issue. I used to believe just as you did, that it was written before all the events prophesied. But I changed my mind.

It literally prophecisized the exact day of Jesus's triumphant entry into Jerusalem.

A remarkable claim - I need specifics. And if you can't cite them, I don't believe it. Now, much of the gospels does appear to fulfill the Tanakh. But all this indicates is that the gospel authors stole from the Tanakh to invent their story of Jesus.

 

[T. E. Smith]

Do you think you still have them fooled into thinking you are some sort of youth?

What the heck? You don't believe I'm 17? Then have a picture! (I haven't taken a shower today so I don't look my best :tongue)

Still think I'm no teenager?

 

[Northman]

Still think I'm no teenager?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It is the absolutely perfect number. It might also indicate a joining of the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles, multiplying them to get 144.

There are no more tribes and what’s perfect about it? I think that’s pretty silly. The rest isn’t to me.

Okay...

You cannot be serious! It is full of symbolism. Even the first half, with the sections on the statue of the multiple materials, is symbolic.

Of course not. How stupid do you think I am? I know how close-minded Christians can be.

However, I, if no one else, was moved on the issue. I used to believe just as you did, that it was written before all the events prophesied. But I changed my mind.

A remarkable claim - I need specifics. And if you can't cite them, I don't believe it. Now, much of the gospels does appear to fulfill the Tanakh. But all this indicates is that the gospel authors stole from the Tanakh to invent their story of Jesus.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Based on the day of the gentile inclusion I would say Jew Gentile church member any man.

No, it was written to one group of Christians who weren’t doing well.

Paul was not a church member when he was called, and filled.

So?

The exact church Revelation 3:20 follows is just about not a church , and not a church in good standing,

Jesus called it a church.

Hebrews 1:1 kjv
1. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4.Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

eddif

And this is answering what question?

 

[T. E. Smith]

There are no more tribes and what’s perfect about it? I think that’s pretty silly. The rest isn’t to me.

The 144000 represents a joining of Israel (tribes) and Christianity (apostles). 12 is a perfect number in the Bible (as is 7), so to multiply it by itself is basically perfection squared.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The 144000 represents a joining of Israel (tribes) and Christianity (apostles). 12 is a perfect number in the Bible (as is 7), so to multiply it by itself is basically perfection squared.

Is it rude if I laugh out loud? There are no more tribes…none. The apostles are long dead so no “joining.” But you are just messing with me, right?

 

[T. E. Smith]

Do you want me to report him? I think he’s out of line and his post very rude.

Yes.

Is it rude if I laugh out loud? There are no more tribes…none. The apostles are long dead so no “joining.” But you are just messing with me, right?

No, since I'm laughing right now too. How can you seriously look at the passage and not see the twelve tribes? It is a joining of the old and new.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Yes.

No, since I'm laughing right now too. How can you seriously look at the passage and not see the twelve tribes? It is a joining of the old and new.

Well it’s not a perfect number that I can see and am not convinced there are perfect numbers, but of course the tribes are mentioned by name.

Now this works in my eschatology because I think it happened when there were tribes, all of them, and they were the main believers in any case. But that’s history. It’s over.

 

[T. E. Smith]

Well it’s not a perfect number that I can see and am not convinced there are perfect numbers, but of course the tribes are mentioned by name.

Now this works in my eschatology because I think it happened when there were tribes, all of them, and they were the main believers in any case. But that’s history. It’s over.

Oh I see. I think the author was referencing events in the future of his time, not before his time.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Oh I see. I think the author was referencing events in the future of his time, not before his time.

I agree. Revelation was in the future of the author and recipients. It’s in our past, the gruesome part.

 

[hawkman]

Daniel just might be the least symbolic book of the entire Bible. It literally prophecisized the exact day of Jesus's triumphant entry into Jerusalem. The book of Daniel is one of those books that really prove the Bible, if you pay attention.

Don't ask for chapter and verse right now, this is from memory and it was a study on Daniel. It's in there. I know that for sure.

Let me help you out . Daniel 9:24-26

Jesus' Triumphal Entry On Palm Sunday -- The Day He Was Presented to Israel As Their Messiah-King

A remarkable claim - I need specifics. And if you can't cite them, I don't believe it. Now, much of the gospels does appear to fulfill the Tanakh. But all this indicates is that the gospel authors stole from the Tanakh to invent their story of Jesus.

Since you have a great distrust of The Book of Daniel . Lets look at the Book of Zachariah for how our savior would appear in the future on Palm Sunday in Jerusalem .

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

 

[T. E. Smith]

Let me help you out . Daniel 9:24-26

Jesus' Triumphal Entry On Palm Sunday -- The Day He Was Presented to Israel As Their Messiah-King

Since you have a great distrust of The Book of Daniel . Lets look at the Book of Zachariah for how our savior would appear in the future on Palm Sunday in Jerusalem .

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Please date the seventy weeks to show how they predict the triumphant entry. As for the colt passage, the gospel authors invented the story of Jesus based on that passage.