Edward
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Let's not get tangled up in your apron strings now. The boy says he's a man, so let the men talk, lol.
The 144,000 is 12,000 from each tribe. That's what it means. That's what it says. Want the scripture for that one?
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Let's not get tangled up in your apron strings now. The boy says he's a man, so let the men talk, lol.
The 144,000 is 12,000 from each tribe. That's what it means. That's what it says. Want the scripture for that one?
Dorothy Mae Oh no no that's not what you said. You said that I have no knowledge of ancient languages and made no mention at all of formal university. If you had mentioned a university, then maybe your comment would be ok. But still, it would probably not be legitimate since I don't think the poster of the thread was only wanting comments from those formally educated in languages.
Let's keep this on topic and make no more derogatory remarks against each other. Respect the views of each other, even if we disagree or they sound foolish to us. Show your sources of what you are speaking about and try to use scripture to support them. There are man's doctrines that are only theories, then their are the doctrines of Christ given in all truth by the Holy Spirit. If you can not stay on topic then you will be removed from this thread.
Need not reply to this as it's a warning.
Need not reply to this as it's a warning.
Edward
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That's the very first thing he goes through in that very short video that I posted. So you didn't watch it, or your boy.
So what do you want for such a deep subject? A single verse to explain everything? This might be one of those, you can lead a horse to water type things.
Dorothy Mae
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No, you said Daniel speaks of the Jews repenting when I told you that Revelation point blank says they (sufferers in the Trib.) refuse to repent. I only asked this one point you said is there. Are you embarrassed you, yourself, cannot tell me yourself what you believe and why?
What is your academic evidence of knowledge of ancient languages?
Dorothy Mae
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No I know that one and it’s impossible to fulfill in the future as there no tribes anymore.
Revelation 7:1-8
John is given another vision after these things, meaning after the first six seals that are revealed to him. He now sees four angels standing on the four corners of the earth holding the four winds of the earth in order that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree until Gods servants were sealed.
These servants are the generational 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, except for the tribe of Dan and Ephraim as they fell to idol worship and allowed God to be removed from them, Judges 18:30; 1 Kings12:25-33; Hosea 5:9, 11;Psalms 78:9-17, 65-67. To keep it twelve tribes since Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned in vs. 4-8 the tribe of Joseph appears twice, once under his own name and once under the name of his son Issachar/Manasseh. Judah is mentioned first as Messiah was to come from the lineage of David.
This is the importance of the 144,000 of the house of Israel and their generations unto the end of days. There were those of the old covenant that were faithful to God in keeping all his commandments and repented of their idol worshipping. Their generations who have also come back to God's grace that are still alive during the seven trumpet sounds will continue to preach to the Jews as it was with the twelve disciples in Matthew 10:6. The generations of the 144,000 that are still alive have the seal of God on them which are the seven Spirits of God as they will have to endure much persecution until the end of days before the return of Jesus.
(Seven Spirits of God are found in Isaiah 11:2 and mentioned in Rev 1:4. Spirit of the Lord, wisdom, understanding, counsel, power, knowledge and fear/respect of the Lord.)
This is how the 70 weeks break down using the Lunar Calendar which has 360 days.
1. The 7 weeks - This 49 year period is the time where the 'commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem' was given. It would take 49 years to accomplish this, and it began in 445 BC.
2. The 62 weeks - From the end point on the rebuilding of the walls, until Messiah was to be revealed, it would be 62 weeks, or 434 years.
3. The last week - This 7 year period is yet future as there is a gap between the 62 weeks and the last 7 year period when Israel rejected the Messiah and He went to the cross and then came the time of the Gentiles until that of God again turning His attention to the Jews and Israel whom He saved a remnant of the twelve tribes.
Adding the 7 weeks, or 49 years, to the 62 weeks, or 434 years, brings us to a total of exactly 483 from the time that the commandment went forth to rebuild the walls unto the very day that Jesus was paraded through the streets of Jerusalem just prior to going to the cross. Adding the 7 years to that of 483 brings us to 490 years.
You need to read 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 as the carnal mind can not perceive the things of the Spirit as they are foolishness to them. There are many in this world, alive and dead, that will be judged and condemned to the lake of fire as they reject the word of God as it is all foolishness to them.
For someone who first claims to be a Baptist, then an atheists and then a Satanist, what else are you going to claim to be! There is no fence riding when it comes to either rejecting Christ or rejecting Christ. I do pray you find Him before it's to late. I mean this in all sincerity for your very life.
Dorothy Mae did you mean to reply to me in your post #236? Just wondering is all.
Edward
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Ok so the Bible is not inerrant?
Is anything too hard for God?
Just because they don't advertise on your favorite channels and you never met any doesn't mean they do not exist.
Have you ever met any Swahili people? I haven't. Maybe they don't really live in Mozambique and on the Swahilii coast? Just a legend...
Scripture says the 12 Tribes of Israel, live in Israel or at least, that is their home town. Just a legend she says.
Israel did not exist for around 2000 years and Hebrew was defunct language and unsed for centuries.
Oops! Israel came out from under the carpet and reestablished themselves as a nation in 1948. Suddenly, they do exist again. You know what they did? Revived the defunct Hebrew language which was gone for 1600 years. Imagine that. I wonder if the 12 Tribes could come out from under the carpet tomorrow? Or next month?
Oh ye of little faith!
I do not claim to be a Baptist. I said I was formerly a Baptist. As for atheism and Satanism, there is absolutely no conflict because Satanism (mainstream Satanism with TST) is explicitly atheistic and in fact asupernatural entirely.
I agree that there is no fence riding. I don't believe in Jesus. I doubt the man ever existed. Even if he did, everything we have about him is fictional, so we can't know anything about him. (Just like King Arthur.)
I absolutely reject Christ, I reject God, and I fear no divinity or divine judgment.
That said, I know you mean well by the prayers, so it is appreciated.
do you understand metaphor? He is not referring to a literal return of the twelve tribes. It is all metaphorical and symbolic.
Dorothy Mae
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Symbolic of what?I do not claim to be a Baptist. I said I was formerly a Baptist. As for atheism and Satanism, there is absolutely no conflict because Satanism (mainstream Satanism with TST) is explicitly atheistic and in fact asupernatural entirely.
I agree that there is no fence riding. I don't believe in Jesus. I doubt the man ever existed. Even if he did, everything we have about him is fictional, so we can't know anything about him. (Just like King Arthur.)
I absolutely reject Christ, I reject God, and I fear no divinity or divine judgment.
That said, I know you mean well by the prayers, so it is appreciated.
do you understand metaphor? He is not referring to a literal return of the twelve tribes. It is all metaphorical and symbolic.
I really wish I actually could presentm what we are talking about. The four kingdoms and their thoughts are the enemy. The book of Job probably presents the very very similar errors in a different way (level).
What I am about to say I have not arranged yet, and is a rough draft that needs carefully study and revision:
Our power is in what we say - wrong - our power is in what God says. God places the correct in us.
Our reliance is on what we do - wrong - we put reliance iin what He did.
Our sins are hid - wrong - our sins are being recorded.
Our care is for ourselves - wrong - it is for others.
Our goal is to trash others - wrong - our goal is to present deliverance.
Right now I do not know which error is predominately fits with which kingdom. I myself am involved with too much that is not really important.
Help us out oh God. Open our understanding to will and do of your good pleasure ( which you have already done).
Mississippi redneck
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Dorothy Mae
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Where does that question come from?
Is there anything too wrong for God?
The tribes of Israel? You think the Jews still classify themselves as one of the 12 tribes and I just don’t know it because they are not on social media. ( I don’t have a favorite channel.)
Uh, you think the tribes mentioned in Revelation don’t mean the ancient Israelite tribes even though they are mentioned by name but mean actually African tribes???
Universities can make a language but they cannot manufacture genetic heritage.
Ed, you can let your imagination run wild to suit your preferred theology or you can pursue truth. The former is not faith.
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Dorothy Mae
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I need more time to work it out.
Dorothy Mae
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I already have them. It happened centuries ago and is now history.
Dorothy Mae
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I sincerely apologize for my ignorant and biased comment born from wrongly assuming a 17 year old cannot possibly be educated, even if not formally, in ancient languages. I was wrong and ask your forgiveness.
A new Israel, the Church.
From some people, I'd take this as sarcasm, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's not. Of course a child can learn something like Spanish or French in addition to English. Why not Hebrew or Koine Greek? Any language can be learned with enough time and practice, and I had enough for intermediate knowledge.