The "End Times"

[Oseas]

In my view the last week of Daniel 9:v.27 - a period of seven years - it is within this decade, I mean from 2020-2030, so one of the most terrible event is the manifestation of the red Dragon, the head of the Antichrist- because his body / his church - is complete as a whole, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan.

2 Thessalonians 2

verse 3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (Get ready)

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (Revelation 13:v.11 to 18)

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[Dorothy Mae]

There is a Chronology of GOD's events, and will culminate in this time of Apocalypse, i.e. the very known END of the times.
GOD's Chronology of events and the GOD's control along the times regardings their fulfillment, obey a period of seven days of 1000 years, and the Apostle Peter comment in his universal epistle-2Peter 3:v.8, saying: "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Lord (GOD's Day) as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one Day".

Listing the main wonderful and glorious events of GOD's Plan afther the fall of Adam, as follows:

For example, the flood occurred around 1656 years after Adam, and around 427 years later, I meant after the flood, GOD's manifested Himself to Abrãm-Genesis 17:v.1, this occurred around 2.080 years after Adam. The next event was the meeting with Moses , according GOD's plan since the beginning He intended to establish the first Covenant. After this event several others occurred, but the main of them was the marvelous or rather indescribable birth of JESUS, His coming here on earth to make great works, such is the glorious coming of JESUS around 4000 years after Adam to announce the Kingdom of GOD that will be established in this current seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day - the LORD's DAY. Amen.

Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar?

The Jewish calendar is the type of calendar that the Jewish people use for counting time and commemorating birthdays, festivities, weddings, deaths, religious celebrations and other solemnities. According to the Hebrews, the years are counted from what they believe to be the creation of Adam...

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That’s Dispensationalism for sure.

 

[Goldwing]

Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15-21

Greetings JLB. It is my belief, that every event within prophecy is, or will be, time stamped at the time each event is fulfillment within any given prophecy. Perhaps you do as well. If that is the case, what is the event, and timing of the following as you understand them:

1. Abomination of desolation, standing in the holy place?
2. Do you believe the great tribulation is yer future?

 

[Goldwing]

Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:13-17

JLB, the same questions I have for you as my previous post.

1. During what span of time was the, time, times, and half a time fulfilled, as you understand it?
2. Do you understand the war the dragon wages against the woman, yet future?
3. Do you understand the term, "the commandments of God," to mean all ten?

 

[Goldwing]

Yes. Remember the saying "History repeats itself"? Just replace that with prophecy which for a long time I recognized has multiple fulfillment. However, I do believe in an end times eventually where Jesus Christ will literally return to the earth -- so the repeats will grow more and more intense. Have all the signs been fulfilled? Not yet. I see more and more falling into place. We are simply to watch and pray so that we are considered worthy to escape these things. (Luke 21:36)

tim-from-pa, greetings. You state that you believe, prophecy has multiple fulfillments. I humbly disagree, and this is why. I believe that each event within any prophecy is time stamped on fulfillment. or will be when it is fulfilled in the future. If that makes sense to you, than it would be impossible for multiple fulfillments. Most prophecies have more than one event within them, and history proves that those that have been fulfilled are fulfilled in the chronological order given within the prophecy. Therefore, a multiple fulfillment of any one event would also require a multiple fulfillment of all the events in their chronological order within that prophecy. Therefore, multiple fulfillments is a means for expositors to claim, well I didn't get the interpretation right the first time, let me try it again.Does this make sense?

Too, if one believes in multiple fulfillments, to what authority will one turn to determine the number of fulfillments of any one particular event within a prophecy?

Example: How many times will any of the seven seals be opened? Or how many times will the, time, times and half a time of Rev. 12:6 happen?

You say, " I see more and more falling into place." What prophecies have you seen fulfilled in your life?

 

[JLB]

Abomination of desolation, standing in the holy place?

31/2 years (or so) before His coming.

 

[JLB]

Do you believe the great tribulation is yer future?

Yes. It begins with the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.


JLB

 

[JLB]

During what span of time was the, time, times, and half a time fulfilled, as you understand it?

The time, times and a half of time, which is also referred to as 1260 days, (3.5 years) and is a reference to the great tribulation.

 

[JLB]

Do you understand the war the dragon wages against the woman, yet future?

Yes. It's contextually referenced as the time of the great tribulation.

 

[JLB]

Do you understand the term, "the commandments of God," to mean all ten?

No. It refers to all the commandments written on our heart and mind.

Do you believe the church should observe the Sabbath as described in the law of Moses?





JLB

 

[Goldwing]

That part you quoted from Rev.12:10 is one of the things that jumps at me. Why does salvation come "now"?... because salvation was before. You see what I mean? They can't mean nobody was saved before this. So it has to do with realization, or "revelation", knowing Jesus. They're not saying, "We now have salvation." They're saying, "We now realize salvation."
It's not that God changed something. It's that our understanding of God changed. Does that make sense?

Journeyman, been reading through this thread again, and you question got my attention. Let me share some insights that perhaps will satisfy your question, "why does salvation come now." Following is a commentary on Rev.12:7-12. (Bear in mind, each event within prophecy gets time stamped when it is fulfilled.)

Rev. 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

{7} There was a war in Heaven. Michael (the name which Jesus used before coming to Earth as a human)39 and His angels fought against the great red dragon and his angels.

A few hours before His death, Jesus made the following statement: “ ‘Father, glorify your name!’ Then a voice came from Heaven, ‘I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.’ The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him. Jesus said, ‘This voice was for your benefit, not mine. Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.’ ”40 Jesus knew that Lucifer would be permanently cast out of Heaven if the Father approved His sacrifice. When Jesus said, “Now is the time for judgment on this world. . . ,” He meant that the time had come for the Father to determine who should be the rightful prince of this world. When Jesus said, “now the prince of this world will be driven out,” Jesus predicted the war described in verse 7. This war occurred on Resurrection Sunday.


Rev. 12:8, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
God did not destroy the devil and his angels on Resurrection Sunday because His purpose for them was not finished. God permitted open warfare in Heaven between Lucifer and his angels and Jesus and his angels for a significant reason. The Father wanted to make sure that among the holy angels, no sympathy for the once adored and highly exalted Lucifer remained. This war was not a test of faith as the first war had been.41 This war produced a revelation. The Father allowed the battle to last long enough to see where each angel firmly stood. After 4,000 years, there was no change. Those loyal to Lucifer defended their evil leader and remained unchanged. Those loyal to Michael also remained unchanged.

Rev. 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

{9} Once the loyalty of the angels was confirmed, the devil and his angels were once again thrown out of Heaven, at the speed of lightning.42 The Father threw the devil and his angels into an earthly abyss and confined them there.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Ever since Resurrection Sunday, the devil and his angels have been bound to this planet, limited to the dimensions of the spirit realm (represented to John as the abyss). Originally, the great red dragon and his angels were hurled out of Heaven because of defiance. Four thousand years later, their defiance remains unchanged. The great red dragon is that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled into the Earth, and his angels with him.

Rev. 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation", and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

{10} After the war in Heaven ended, I heard a loud voice in Heaven say: “Now that salvation has been paid in full and the devil has been defeated, the gospel of Jesus Christ and His coming kingdom will advance with clarity and power throughout the Earth. Lucifer’s position as “the prince of Earth” has been honorably overthrown by the perfect life, ministry, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The accuser of our human brothers, who accuses them before God day and night, has been hurled down and his endless arguments and accusations in Heaven against repentant sinners have been silenced.”45

Rev. 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

{11} The voice continued: “Even though our brothers on Earth are sinners, they are not hopeless or defeated. Lucifer’s claim that God cannot legally justify sinners has been silenced because Jesus paid the price for every sinner who surrenders to the directives of the Holy Spirit and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Through faith in Christ, repentant sinners are covered with Christ’s righteousness (justified as though they never sinned) in God’s sight.”46

When a person surrenders to the directives of the Holy Spirit, he honors and upholds the Word of God at all costs, and the word of his testimony proves that he is loyal to God, even willing to die for Him if necessary.

Rev. 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

{12} “Therefore, rejoice holy angels, all of you who live in Heaven because atonement for sinners has been paid in full, but woe to God’s people on Earth for the devil’s wrath is upon you! He is filled with fury, because he now knows that he will fail miserably.

* Note - At the fifth trumpet, the devil and his angels will be permitted to exit the abyss. Therefore, a time is coming when the devil and his angels will physically appear before the people of Earth.43 At the Second Coming, Jesus will destroy the bodies used by the devil and his angels and Jesus will return them to the abyss (spirit realm).44

Taken from: Jesus’ Final Victory, pg. 301

So, a more direct answer to your question is this. Until Christ came and lived a life that fulfilled the requirements of the ten commandments, (written by His own finger,) then was willing to die, the second death, (which the law required if broken,) salvation would not be possible for fallen man. All of the animal sacrifices mandatory before the cross, pointed to the death of Christ, and was based on faith that Christ would fulfill the Fathers requirement that He,Christ, would be The Lamb of God/the Father. On resurrection Sunday, the words, "Now is come salvation" (Rev.12:10,) was fulfilled.
Had the Father not excepted the life of Christ as fulfilling the requirements of the ten commandments, Christ blood would not have atoned for fallen man, and the Father would not have raised up Christ, and fallen man would have been without a savor, thus the Fathers plan of salvation would have failed, and man would have had to atone for their own sins and die the second death.

Hope this makes sense and answers your question.

















Prophecy 11

 

[Goldwing]

Do you believe the church should observe the Sabbath as described in the law of Moses?

No, the hand written law by Moses, was abolished at the cross, they were temporary which is why they were not written by God, and on parchment, and placed in the side of the Arch, separate from the perfect Law, written by God in His own hand writing on stone, placed under the mercy seat. That Law, with all ten commandments is biding on mankind, which no man can keep without sinning, which is why we need God's grace. And we will receive God's grace through our faith, which will be evident by our works/deeds. Make sense?

 

[JLB]

No, the hand written law by Moses, was abolished at the cross,

Agreed.

 

[JLB]

That Law, with all ten commandments is biding on mankind, w

How can the law of Moses be binding upon mankind if it was abolished?

 

[JLB]

No, the hand written law by Moses, was abolished at the cross, they were temporary which is why they were not written by God, and on parchment, and placed in the side of the Arch, separate from the perfect Law, written by God in His own hand writing on stone, placed under the mercy seat. That Law, with all ten commandments is biding on mankind, which no man can keep without sinning, which is why we need God's grace. And we will receive God's grace through our faith, which will be evident by our works/deeds. Make sense?

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
Hebrews 5:9

 

[Goldwing]

Yes. It's contextually referenced as the time of the great tribulation.

We are in agreement on this. Three cheers.

31/2 years (or so) before His coming.

Yes. It begins with the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.

JLB, our post are getting scrambled. Anyway I would like to share my understanding of Mat. 24:1-21.

First we must understand this is not a apocalyptic prophecy, where events are given in chronological order.
vss. 1-2, Jesuse tells his disciples that in the future, (70 A.D. history confirms,) that their temple will be destroyed.

vs. 3, the disciples ask, "when will this happen". [temple destroyed] Second question, "what will be the sign of your coming, end of the age,"

vs. 4-21 is a combined answer for both questions, and was made to be unclear so as to not discourage christians down through the ages, as to the amount of time before the actual return of Christ. God would provide more clarity of His return in the prophecies of Dan. and Revelation, when the book of Dan. would be unsealed, at the time of the end. (Dan.12:4,9)

vss. 15-20, God is prophesying about the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D 70 by the Romans/Titus. This makes sense as it reads. It is in this contexts that Jesus warns the disciples that when you/ or fellow Jews, see, "standing in the Holy place the abomination that causes desolation," flee to the mountains.

So to make sense of this, one must understand, that out from the temple mount, (I think, not sure,) 150-1,500. yds,
the land was the property of the Levites, those that ministered in the sanctuary. It was Holy ground. So for the Roman army, a heathen nation to come and set siege against Jerusalem upon this Holy ground, it was an abomination to Israel.
The first siege lasted for months food and water were getting scarce. People were starving and the thousands who tried to escape were capture an crucified out side the walls for all to see. Then the Romans withdrew. It was at this time the Christians had time to flee to the mountains as prophesied. Those that did survived, those who did not heed Gods warning died when the Roman army returned and set siege again and finally destroyed, the city, the temple and all the people. This then was the fulfillment of that portion of Mat. 24

Note in vs. 20 Jesus mentions the Sabbath. If the 4th commandment was abolished on the death of Christ as you and many believe, why would Christ prophesy about it's existence 40 years in the future??? Then again in the time of the end/tribulation (Rev. 12:13-17)???

Give this prayerful consideration.

 

[Oseas]

That’s Dispensationalism for sure.

Dispensationalism? Sorry, but you are being evasive in your reply. Reading what you have said in your post before, i.e. "day of our Lord" also might mean a few different things.", but you didn't give any data or details that clarified what you meant about different things, neither said when is the LORD's Day according the Word of GOD. By the way, the Word is GOD. What matters is the Word of GOD, not speculations or conjectures, or opinions.

In the other hand, the last two lines of my post I highlighted the Day of LORD as the last event of the current Dispensation, the Dispensation of Grace, and also I highlighted the establishment of GOD's Kingdom preached by JESUS in His first coming 2000 years ago, which will be established in this current millennium, the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last GOD's Day, as JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (the Kingdom of GOD), and the RESURRECTION from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

I think that you know that GOD since the beginning made by JESUS different things according His Plan of restitution/restoration of ALL things-Acts 3:v.18-24

GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens
Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (2Pet.3:v.8), so MANKIND would go through six GOD Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).
According biblical Chronology, we can number our days starting in Genesis 5, as follow:
Adam lived ….........................................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived …………………………………………………...............105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ..............................................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived..............................................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ......................................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ............................................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived .............................................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived.................................................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ........................................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood................................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =................1,656 yrs.
I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of GOD, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD. So, see the table below:

.........................SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ---------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood- (Genesis 5)-----------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-(Genesis 11&12)---------427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)-------------------430 years
IV - From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis 6:1-480-84)---------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem ---------------------.508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus -------------------.587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus -----------.4,004 years

From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-------------.2,021 years
Total from Adam to our days -----------------------------6,025 years

JESUS-the Greater Light,Genesis 1:v.16-came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis 1 combined with Acts. 3:v.19-21. It still was the FOURTH DAY when JESUS said: MY FATHER WORKS HITHERTO, AND I WORK-John 5:v.17. From JESUS (FOURTH DAY) until our days, or until this current time, have already passed more TWO DAYS or 2,000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), in fact 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or THE TURN FROM THE SIXTH TO THE SEVENTH DAY, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, the CHASTISEMENTS ALREADY STARTED, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS takes over the RULE of the Universe, as JESUS said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:v.18

JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.

Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath is come (GOD's wrath comes), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it. This is already fulfilling LITERALLY.

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[JLB]

vs. 4-21 is a combined answer for both questions,

I disagree.

Verses 1-2 take place in the Temple area whereby Jesus stated things about the Temple in response to their admiration of the Temple area buildings.


Verse 3 is where the "Olivet Discourse" begins and deals with His coming, in which Jesus teaches His Disciples privately from Zechariah 14, where He Himself is speaking through the mouth of the prophet Zechariah.

Jesus is foretelling of the events of His coming and what will take place in Jerusalem, just prior to His coming and what will happen on that Day, on that very mountain where He is teaching them.


Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives...
Zechariah 14:1-4


Key Verse --

• Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.

Question:

Did the Lord fight the Roman soldiers in 70 AD ?



JLB

 

[Oseas]

The LORD said: Matthew 5:v.5 combined with Revelation 5:v.10 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Mat.5.v.5 And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Rev. 5:v.10 Question: How can the meek inherit the earth? The answer is here: Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. - Zechariah 4:v.6 Zechariah 4:v.1 to 6 verse 1 - And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a MAN that is wakened out of his sleep. verse 2 - And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold (1) a candlestick all of gold with (2) a bowl upon the top of it, and (3) his seven lamps thereon, and (4)seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: verse 3 - And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. Interpreting the above Scriptures: 1 - Candlestick is the Church(Revelation 1:19)of the LORD- His body; 2 - with a bowl upon the top of it: - the bowl is for storing and conserving the oil produced by the two olive trees to the Candlestick-that is for the anointed Church of the LORD; 3 - and his seven lamps thereon: - the seven lamps are the seven Spirits of God - Revelation 4:v.5; 4 - and seven pipes to the seven lamps which are upon the top thereof: the 7 lamps - 7 spirits of GOD - are placed on the top of the pipes to enlighten the Church of the LORD mainly in this time of Apocalypse - the END of the times and establishment of GOD's Kingdom Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts, and confirmed by Matthew 5:v.5 combined with Revelation 5:v.10, among other biblical references. verse 4 - So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? verse 5 - Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. verse 6 - Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the Word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. Revelation 11:v.15 to 18 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth. In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords

 

[Goldwing]

I disagree.

Verses 1-2 take place in the Temple area whereby Jesus stated things about the Temple in response to their admiration of the Temple area buildings.


Verse 3 is where the "Olivet Discourse" begins and deals with His coming, in which Jesus teaches His Disciples privately from Zechariah 14, where He Himself is speaking through the mouth of the prophet Zechariah.

Jesus is foretelling of the events of His coming and what will take place in Jerusalem, just prior to His coming and what will happen on that Day, on that very mountain where He is teaching them.


Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives...
Zechariah 14:1-4


Key Verse --

• Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.

Question:

Did the Lord fight the Roman soldiers in 70 AD ?



JLB

JLB, greetings. To answer your question, No the Lord did not fight the Romans in 70 A.D. because He sent them to destroy the City. God was patient with Israel rebellion for nearly fifteen centuries. Israel's last change to repent and the end of God's patience with them was spelled out in the seventy weeks/490yrs., of Dan.9. That time period ended 3.5 yrs. after they crucified Christ, which was 33 A.D. The destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, was there punishment.

However, had they repented, during the 490 yrs., and excepted Jesus as the, Lamb of God, the Son of God, the Anointed One, and then offered Him up on the brazen alter, in the sanctuary, as the, Lamb of God, to atone for fallen man. The Father would have raised Jesus up and He would have begun setting up His earthly Kingdom.

I'm sure this will blow your mind since this is probably the first time you ever heard of such a thing. But then again wouldn't things have been different if Israel had been obedient to God. How so? Consider the words of John the baptist, he declared repentance, "for the Kingdom of God is at hand." This was at the start of the last seven yrs. of the 490 yrs. of probation time for Israel. Had Israel repented God's plan was for Jesus to set up His earthly kingdom during His first advent, Zec.14, would have been fulfilled.

Still hard to believe? Consider this, the whole of chapter 14, is entitled in the NIV as, The Lord Comes and Reigns." In reading the entire chapter, you note there is no similarity in the events described there with what is described in the prophecies of Rev. and Dan. Why? Because God gave Daniel and John only, prophecy based on Israel's decision to reject Jesus as the, "Lamb of God." In the case of Daniel's prophecies in Dan. 9:24, we read:

V24 "seventy sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put and end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to being in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place."

What did God mean when He said, to seal up vision and prophecy? He was telling the nation of Israel, that if they repented and turned back to Him in obedience the prophecies in Daniel would not be implemented. If Bible students do not understand what I've just explained to you and they mix the prophecies of the Old testament with those of Daniel and Revelation, what you end up with is a mixture of two plans, plan A, if you will, what God had originally planed for Israel as the trustees of His gospel, and plan B, that whosoever will, will be the trustees of His Gospel. The plans for setting up His earthly Kingdom is different in each plan.

Pray this appeals to your common sense.