The Eternal Kingdom/Reign of Jesus Christ

[Quantrill]

yes, Hence
Jesus was before the world began. He is before all things

Genesis shows God at the beginning of the creation and the creator. Jesus as well. God is older than His creation but I don't know that He always existed. I do know if the Father has a beginning it couldn't be by any other being as He is the beginning and the end.

The Son was before the world began as God the Son, along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ Who was the Son become man, had a beginning at Jesus birth.

If the Father has a beginning then He isn't eternal. If the Father has a beginning, then He will have an end. Bad news for you and I.

God cannot very well promise eternal life if He is not eternal.

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[Randy]

And the Father says to Jesus Christ, "Your throne O God is forever and ever...therefore O God, your God..." (Hebrews 1:8-9)

Jesus, while all that the Father is, received from the Father
As you post here the Father is stating He is Jesús's God which is the testimony of Jesus that the Father is His God

The Father is greater for He is Jesús's God per the testimony of the Father and Son.

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

 

[Randy]

The Son was before the world began as God the Son, along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ Who was the Son become man, had a beginning at Jesus birth.

If the Father has a beginning then He isn't eternal. If the Father has a beginning, then He will have an end. Bad news for you and I.

God cannot very well promise eternal life if He is not eternal.

Quantrill

God would still be the same as He is now. He has no end. Jesus has no end.
What we see God created. God is Spirit and dwells in a realm we can not detect with our senses. No one knows but God Himself where He came from or where He has been before the creation we see. God stated in regard to Deity no God was "formed" before Him. Nor will there be one after Him. That suggests the possibility God was formed. But closes the door that God was formed by another. So as I stated, "if" God has a beginning it could not be by any other being.
I don't know with certainty that God the Father has no beginning because He never stated so. If He stated so I would know.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Jesus, while all that the Father is, received from the Father
As you post here the Father is stating He is Jesús's God which is the testimony of Jesus that the Father is His God

The Father is greater for He is Jesús's God per the testimony of the Father and Son.

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

The Father is YHWH. The Son is YHWH. The Holy Spirit is YHWH. 100% COEQUAL, COETERNAL, COESSENTIAL.

This is the GOD of the Holy Bible

 

[SolaScriptura]

God would still be the same as He is now. He has no end. Jesus has no end.
What we see God created. God is Spirit and dwells in a realm we can not detect with our senses. No one knows but God Himself where He came from or where He has been before the creation we see. God stated in regard to Deity no God was "formed" before Him. Nor will there be one after Him. That suggests the possibility God was formed. But closes the door that God was formed by another. So as I stated, "if" God has a beginning it could not be by any other being.
I don't know with certainty that God the Father has no beginning because He never stated so. If He stated so I would know.

Where do you get your "theology" from as what you say is definitely not taught in the Bible

 

[Quantrill]

God would still be the same as He is now. He has no end. Jesus has no end.
What we see God created. God is Spirit and dwells in a realm we can not detect with our senses. No one knows but God Himself where He came from or where He has been before the creation we see. God stated in regard to Deity no God was "formed" before Him. Nor will there be one after Him. That suggests the possibility God was formed. But closes the door that God was formed by another. So as I stated, "if" God has a beginning it could not be by any other being.
I don't know with certainty that God the Father has no beginning because He never stated so. If He stated so I would know.

Where did God state 'no god was formed before Him'? It doesn't suggest God was formed.

God has no beginning or end. God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, have no beginning or end.

This is why it is said of Melchizedek who was to be a type of the Son, "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest contiually." (Heb. 7:3)

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[Randy]

Where did God state 'no god was formed before Him'? It doesn't suggest God was formed.

God has no beginning or end. God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, have no beginning or end.

This is why it is said of Melchizedek who was to be a type of the Son, "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest contiually." (Heb. 7:3)

Quantrill

Isaiah 43:10

But "made" like the Son of God. Its clear Melchizedek was not a son of levite. His priesthood was not based off his genealogy (father and mother) but by God's appointment and Jesus is a priest in that order and the appointment term is forever.

 

[Randy]

Where do you get your "theology" from as what you say is definitely not taught in the Bible

What part?

 

[Randy]

The Father is YHWH. The Son is YHWH. The Holy Spirit is YHWH. 100% COEQUAL, COETERNAL, COESSENTIAL.

This is the GOD of the Holy Bible

The Father who is Jesus's God is greater just as "Jesus" stated.

Where did Jesus get His theology from=>The Father

 

[SolaScriptura]

The Father who is Jesus's God is greater just as "Jesus" stated.

Where did Jesus get His theology from=>The Father

You simply cannot grasp the Godhead as taught in the Bible. You are trying to use human logic to understand the Eternal God of the Bible which is impossible

 

[Randy]

You simply cannot grasp the Godhead as taught in the Bible. You are trying to use human logic to understand the Eternal God of the Bible which is impossible

Apparently Jesus has difficulty as well.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent

I would state the Father is the only true God and Jesus's God.

Was Jesus baptised by the Spirit of the Father or another person?

 

[SolaScriptura]

Apparently Jesus has difficulty as well.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent

I would state the Father is the only true God and Jesus's God.

Was Jesus baptised by the Spirit of the Father or another person?

I have said this many times. Jesus Christ while on earth was Himself subject to the Father as God-Man. In the Godhead He is completely coequal with the Father. This is very simple to understand

 

[Quantrill]

Isaiah 43:10

But "made" like the Son of God. Its clear Melchizedek was not a son of levite. His priesthood was not based off his genealogy (father and mother) but by God's appointment and Jesus is a priest in that order and the appointment term is forever.

(Heb. 7:3) "having neither beginning of days, nor end of life"

God the Son was eternal. No beginning. No end. And thus so was God the Father and Holy Spirit.

There is the verse you were looking for.

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[Randy]

I have said this many times. Jesus Christ while on earth was Himself subject to the Father as God-Man. In the Godhead He is completely coequal with the Father. This is very simple to understand

What "You" have said is true. I gave you what Jesus stated. So your answer is Jesus is the source of my understanding.

 

[Randy]

(Heb. 7:3) "having neither beginning of days, nor end of life"

God the Son was eternal. No beginning. No end. And thus so was God the Father and Holy Spirit.

There is the verse you were looking for.

Quantrill

This was about Melchizedek. I don't believe He is divine.
First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

 

[Quantrill]

This was about Melchizedek. I don't believe He is divine.
First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

I know it was about Melchizedek. Whether he wasw divine or not is immaterial. He is presented as one like the Son of God. "having neither befinning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God".

Eternal.

God has always existed. There never was a time when He didn't exist. He has no beginning or end. Scripture is clear.

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[Randy]

I know it was about Melchizedek. Whether he wasw divine or not is immaterial. He is presented as one like the Son of God. "having neither befinning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God".

Eternal.

God has always existed. There never was a time when He didn't exist. He has no beginning or end. Scripture is clear.

Quantrill

This took place at some point in history before the world began. It is from the will of another.
because in him it did please all the fulness to dwell

Jesus calls the Father the only true God. If He always was how do you believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my Spirit"

The first thing God ever did was form Jesus's spirit. Then He willed "His" fullness to dwell in His Son. His Son is the reflection of His glory and the exact imprint of His being. Mighty God

All the fullness of the deity dwells in Christ but it is the Father's deity. The Father is His God and the only true God. Jesus is God's firstborn and the beginning of the creation of God.

A body was prepared for Him and the Son who was, (His spirit), was in that body.


If you can not accept this then let us agree to disagree.

 

[Randy]

I know it was about Melchizedek. Whether he wasw divine or not is immaterial. He is presented as one like the Son of God. "having neither befinning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God".

Eternal.

God has always existed. There never was a time when He didn't exist. He has no beginning or end. Scripture is clear.

Quantrill

I know who the One true God is and it isn't Melchizedek. Therefore the meaning can't no beginning for Him. It means his order of priesthood has no beginning, Not based off a beginning of a ancestor or genealogy or father and mother but by God's appointment.
Some even believe Melchizedek was Jesus. But if it was Jesus why would Jesus need to be appointed a 2nd time? Psalm 110

Gods who always existed don't live by another.
Just as the living Father sent me and [I live because of the Father], so the one who feeds on me [will live because of me]. => In the same way we live through Jesus. Jesus lives by the Father

The indestructible life in Jesus who always lives without end as a High priest to the Father is the Father.

I am not a greek expert and over all and of all are both used. I don't have a greek scholar to come and explain why they choose one way or another.

KJV
Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

NSRV
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

But you can always ask Jesus in prayer if He God's firstborn.
He will answer with truth.

He states He received authority.
The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.
He stated the Father is greater.
He states the Father is His God.
He states the Father is the only true God.
He states He lives by the Father.
He states the Father is in Him and they are one.
It is stated He is the firstborn of all creation.
It is stated He is before all things.

I see Him as a Son who is before all things. That makes Him God's firstborn and the beginning of the creation of God.

I asked Jesus as one who believes in Him and loves Him about the trinity as no one can explain it and its foundation is mystery.

My position will never change.

 

[Quantrill]

This took place at some point in history before the world began. It is from the will of another.
because in him it did please all the fulness to dwell

Jesus calls the Father the only true God. If He always was how do you believe in one God for Jesus stated on the cross, "Father into your hands I commit my Spirit"

The first thing God ever did was form Jesus's spirit. Then He willed "His" fullness to dwell in His Son. His Son is the reflection of His glory and the exact imprint of His being. Mighty God

All the fullness of the deity dwells in Christ but it is the Father's deity. The Father is His God and the only true God. Jesus is God's firstborn and the beginning of the creation of God.

A body was prepared for Him and the Son who was, (His spirit), was in that body.


If you can not accept this then let us agree to disagree.

Not it didn't. It occurred during the days of Abraham. (Gen. 14:17-20) As I said, (Heb. 7:3) shows the eternality of the Son. Therefore shows the eternality of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

I believe in the Trinity because the Scripture presents God as a Trinity. I certainly don't know how it works. But I know it is God.

Yes, God the Son had a body prepared for Him. We know Him as Jesus Christ.

Quantrill

I know who the One true God is and it isn't Melchizedek. Therefore the meaning can't no beginning for Him. It means his order of priesthood has no beginning, Not based off a beginning of a ancestor or genealogy or father and mother but by God's appointment.
Some even believe Melchizedek was Jesus. But if it was Jesus why would Jesus need to be appointed a 2nd time? Psalm 110

Gods who always existed don't live by another.
Just as the living Father sent me and [I live because of the Father], so the one who feeds on me [will live because of me]. => In the same way we live through Jesus. Jesus lives by the Father

The indestructible life in Jesus who always lives without end as a High priest to the Father is the Father.

I am not a greek expert and over all and of all are both used. I don't have a greek scholar to come and explain why they choose one way or another.

KJV
Col 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

NSRV
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

But you can always ask Jesus in prayer if He God's firstborn.
He will answer with truth.

He states He received authority.
The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.
He stated the Father is greater.
He states the Father is His God.
He states the Father is the only true God.
He states He lives by the Father.
He states the Father is in Him and they are one.
It is stated He is the firstborn of all creation.
It is stated He is before all things.

I see Him as a Son who is before all things. That makes Him God's firstborn and the beginning of the creation of God.

I asked Jesus as one who believes in Him and loves Him about the trinity as no one can explain it and its foundation is mystery.

My position will never change.

I never said Melchizedek was God. I said, like (Heb. 7:3) says, that Melchizedek is presented as eternal being a type of the Son. It is the Son who is eternal. Scripture is clear here.

God the Son has always existed. When the Son became a Man, through the birth of Mary, that is the beginning of Jesus Christ, or the Son as a Man. When Jesus was raised from the dead, He was begotten as the Son of the Father. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

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[Randy]

Not it didn't. It occurred during the days of Abraham. (Gen. 14:17-20) As I said, (Heb. 7:3) shows the eternality of the Son. Therefore shows the eternality of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

I believe in the Trinity because the Scripture presents God as a Trinity. I certainly don't know how it works. But I know it is God.

Yes, God the Son had a body prepared for Him. We know Him as Jesus Christ.

Quantrill


I never said Melchizedek was God. I said, like (Heb. 7:3) says, that Melchizedek is presented as eternal being a type of the Son. It is the Son who is eternal. Scripture is clear here.

God the Son has always existed. When the Son became a Man, through the birth of Mary, that is the beginning of Jesus Christ, or the Son as a Man. When Jesus was raised from the dead, He was begotten as the Son of the Father. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

Quantrill

Melchizedek can't be a being with no beginning. He can be one with no end as even us in Christ according to the Lord's own word will never die.
I have no problem with you believing in the orthodox version of the trinity. I am not in the least offended by the trinity. My Jesus is all that the Father is but has always been the Son and He and His Father are one.

This was also written about Melchizedek. I would state he was a mortal man.
This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.

About Jesus
For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

So without genealogy and stating Jesus's genealogy is the same writings suggest the priesthood wasn't based on genealogy, Father or Mother and a beginning of a priesthood starting with a ancestor.

Yet this was shown
one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life.

The writer has to be in error as Melchizedek can't be a being with no beginning. And Jesus can't be Melchizedek as there would be no need to appoint Him a 2nd time.