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THE FORMULA FOR SALVATION

eddif said:
That is what I was trying to start. Some boxes have a false bottom, and underneath the false bottom are issues that need to be to be discussed. Some honestly do not know about the box they chose.

I think the letters to the 7 churches (in Revelation) does. Just really lays everything pretty bare, but does not rip out the tares before The Day.

Too aggressive attacks upset tender people.

eddif
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Let's discuss the false bottoms.
Let's discuss the issues.
That's what this thread is about.
Where are the aggressive attacks coming from?
We are all tender in our own way.
If we're too tender we cannot properly discuss difficult issues...
 
Dorothy Mae said:
You don’t think it’s possible to say “you’re wrong” respectfully?? Must be a cultural thing. Where I live isn’t but at all disrespectful to say, “you’re wrong.” There’s a love of truth here that renders even unbelievers expecting to be told the truth. It’s not a slur but merely a statement of fact. We’re more open to correction.

Otherwise I cannot recall people simply stating what they believe with proof. What often us said is a personal slur where “you’re wrong” would be much better.
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I can say You're Wrong to my friend in discussion.
But on here it sounds really aggressive.

How is it a statement of fact?
What were you discussing?
How can you be 100% sure that you're right?

We're discussing theology here.
If you think you're right and I'm wrong, then please tell me why without getting personal.

(not referring to you, of course)
 
wondering said:
I can say You're Wrong to my friend in discussion.
But on here it sounds really aggressive.
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Not to me. I think it’s ok.
wondering said:
How is it a statement of fact?
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If a person was wrong and they are told that, it’s a fact. The answer should be “how so” not “that’s an insult!”
wondering said:
What were you discussing?
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That was theoretical. No particular discussion in mind.
wondering said:
How can you be 100% sure that you're right?
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Evidence. Don’t you think you’re right on anything? How can you have faith?
wondering said:
We're discussing theology here.
If you think you're right and I'm wrong, then please tell me why without getting personal.
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We’d have to give it a go. How about preterism? I’m 100% sure when Jesus talked about there being not one stone upon another, he was talking about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. That’s not personal, is it?
wondering said:
(not referring to you, of course)
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wondering said:
Let's discuss the false bottoms.
Let's discuss the issues.
That's what this thread is about.
Where are the aggressive attacks coming from?
We are all tender in our own way.
If we're too tender we cannot properly discuss difficult issues...
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I like John the Baptist as an example.
Very new thoughts to me.

Very much supernatural events surrounded his birth.

You want to go first?

eddif
 
eddif said:
I like John the Baptist as an example.
Very new thoughts to me.

Very many supernatural events surrounded his birth.

You want to go first?

eddif
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John was the greatest born of woman, according to Jesus.

Filled with the Holy Spirit from his mothers womb .

Known as type of Isaiah. Brave one minute to tell the highest official their sin. Mixed up the next as how to prove who Jesus was (after having revealed much about Jesus).

Taught repentance. In fact one person taught much about Jesus having only the baptism of John.
All the brashness of John, cost him his head.

So brave about the law, but the bottom compartment of his box was sort of empty.

John knew the message he was to preach, but not many details about the message of Jesus. He was aware Jesus was to be believed, and would baptize in the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
eddif said:
John was the greatest born of woman, according to Jesus.

Filled with the Holy Spirit from his mothers womb .

Known as type of Isaiah. Brave one minute to tell the highest official their sin. Mixed up the next as how to prove who Jesus was (after having revealed much about Jesus).

Taught repentance. In fact one person taught much about Jesus having only the baptism of John.
All the brashness of John, cost him his head.

So brave about the law, but the bottom compartment of his box was sort of empty.

John knew the message he was to preach, but not many details about the message of Jesus. He was aware Jesus was to be believed, and would baptize in the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
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Why was the bottom compartment of his box empty?

He seems to have known enough about Jesus and he trusted him.

Can we do better?
 
jaybo said:
What is all this talk about the bottom of boxes? When I receive a box I cut it up and recycle it.
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The other poster is rather mysterious.
He reminds me of The Tree of Life.
Had to watch it twice, and I still wasn't sure I understood it.

But I do believe he loves God and this is what matters.
 
wondering said:
Why was the bottom compartment of his box empty?

He seems to have known enough about Jesus and he trusted him.

Can we do better?
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Pretty bare because Jesus had not completed death, buried, resurrection, assention, become quickening spirit (to be Christ in us).

While repentance is very important even today, it is not eternal life. Repentance leaves us with the knowledge we have a problem / need.
Jesus is the solution for each of our sins, but the Holy Spirit in necessary that we might have power to witness to others.


We never do better. He works in us to will and do of his good pleasure.

The works of the law exist.
Salvation has one name under heaven. Jesus.

eddif
 
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JLB said:
What scripture says this?
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Luke 7:17 kjv
17. And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.
18. And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things.
19. And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
20. When the men had come to Him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to You, saying, ‘Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?’ ”
21. And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that wereblind he gave sight.
22. Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
23. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
24. And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
25. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

As an extension of the thought.

The disciples said they would not leave Jesus ( where would we go?).

But
They deserted him. Christ in us had not yet come.
Did the quickening spirit come? Yes.
Were they perfect? No.

Were they much improved after Pentecost? Absolutely.

eddif
 
eddif said:
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Luke 7:17 kjv
17. And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.
18. And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things.
19. And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
20. When the men had come to Him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to You, saying, ‘Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?’ ”
21. And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that wereblind he gave sight.
22. Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
23. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
24. And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
25. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

As an extension of the thought.

The disciples said they would not leave Jesus ( where would we go?).

But
They deserted him. Christ in us had not yet come.
Did the quickening spirit come? Yes.
Were they perfect? No.

Were they much improved after Pentecost? Absolutely.

eddif
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My question was in response to your statement that said…

“Pretty bare because Jesus had not completed death, buried, resurrection, assention, become quickening spirit (to be Christ in us).”

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11


  • the Spirit of Christ who was in them

The Spirit of Christ was in the Old Testament prophets.

How much more His disciples.



JLB
 
JLB said:
My question was in response to your statement that said…

“Pretty bare because Jesus had not completed death, buried, resurrection, assention, become quickening spirit (to be Christ in us).”

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11


  • the Spirit of Christ who was in them

The Spirit of Christ was in the Old Testament prophets.

How much more His disciples.



JLB
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I think my answer stands. The prophets longed to know of the suffering of which they spoke.

Did they speak? Yes
Did their minds understand? No.

Understanding really began to come at Pentecost.

I will put my law in their hearts and minds. This was not slowly and developmentally, but basically suddenly. Peter said this is what was spoken of by the prophet Joel.

Jesus was still having issues with the disciples not understanding. Jesus did continue to speak to them after his resurrection though.

Then (after Pentecost) you begin to hear statements like (the two women were two covenants).

Paul speaks of things hard to be understood ( according to Peter). After he received the healing of his eyes and the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

You are surely welcome to critically question me.

eddif
 
eddif said:
Did they speak? Yes
Did their minds understand? No.

Understanding really began to come at Pentecost.
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How did the discussion go from having the Spirit within, to understanding?

Did you know that the Spirit of understanding is the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Understanding is developed as our mind is renewed.

The OT prophets had the Spirit of Christ within them.

Just because someone doesn’t have the baptism of the Holy Spirit as on the Day of Pentecost doesn’t mean they don’t have the Spirit.


And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
John 20:22-23


Pentecost is where they receive power; the baptism with the Holy Spirit.




JLB
 
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