THE FORMULA FOR SALVATION

[Mungo]

Faith that you’re saved? Will that do it?

??? What are you trying to say?

 

[Mungo]

Well, as long as we hold up
our end of the covenant, there’s relationship. A covenant always has requirements or obligations on BOTH sides.

Agreed.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

??? What are you trying to say?

If one is saved by faith instead of by grace, I’m wondering faith in what. Does it matter?

 

[Mungo]

If one is saved by faith instead of by grace, I’m wondering faith in what. Does it matter?

But we are not saved by faith. We are saved by God's grace

 

[heartwashed]

Of course we are. As I commented to jaybo - we are saved by God's grace. Period!
Through faith - not by Faith.
If we were saved by Faith then we would be saving ourselves.

He justifies the circumcision by faith (Romans 3:30, kjv).

 

[heartwashed]

If one is saved by faith instead of by grace, I’m wondering faith in what. Does it matter?

Faith in Jesus Christ (John 6:47) and what He did for you on the Cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

 

[JLB]

But we are not saved by faith. We are saved by God's grace

Only those who obey Jesus Christ will receive eternal salvation, which is what saved by grace through faith means.

The obedience of faith.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9





JLB

 

[heartwashed]

It is an interesting concept in holy scripture that we are not saved through our obedience but that we are saved by the grace of God in our lives in giving to us an obedient heart.

Salvation is purely the gift of God.

 

[heartwashed]

Ezekiel 36:25-27.

 

[Mungo]

He justifies the circumcision by faith (Romans 3:30, kjv).

The Jews were born into their covenant; their relationship with God.

We have to be born into our covenant (john 3:3-5) in baptism; our relationship with God

 

[Dorothy Mae]

@heartwashed:. Faith in Jesus Christ (John 6:47) and what He did for you on the Cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

Is forgiving others necessary?

Sorry CL, I can’t get your name out although you didn’t say the above.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think it depends on what is meant by salvation. There are three dimensions to salvation -past, present and future.
In was referring to our initial Justification which brings us into a covenant relationship with God.

Did Jesus preach three salvations? If you lose the first, are the other two gone? What if you lost the last?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

He justifies the circumcision by faith (Romans 3:30, kjv).

What’s the difference between faith in faith and faith in the truth? How does a person know which they have? Jesus says many would come to him having had faith and he sends them away. Did they have faith in their faith?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Only those who obey Jesus Christ will receive eternal salvation, which is what saved by grace through faith means.

The obedience of faith.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9





JLB

Exactly!! Well said. Those have faith in the Gospel OBEY Jesus’ teaching. Those who have faith in their faith don’t.

Example:

A. I have faith I’m going to Heaven because I asked Jesus into my heart and believe he’s saved me. There’s nothing more I need to do because that would be works.

B. I believe Jesus told the truth and is the way to God so I carefully learn his teaching and have repented of my sin, received forgiveness and am seeking the Holy Spirit to guide me and correct me and I know I have obeyed him at times at least. I seek to do more so.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It is an interesting concept in holy scripture that we are not saved through our obedience but that we are saved by the grace of God in our lives in giving to us an obedient heart.

Salvation is purely the gift of God.

“If you love me you’ll keep my teaching.” You might love the gift but with that theology the love for the Giver cannot grow. The focus is too much on what you believe you got.

 

[Mungo]

Did Jesus preach three salvations? If you lose the first, are the other two gone? What if you lost the last?

What a strange suggestion.
I didn't say anything about 3 salvations.
Your post is bizarre.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think it depends on what is meant by salvation. There are three dimensions to salvation -past, present and future.
In was referring to our initial Justification which brings us into a covenant relationship with God.

You used the term “initial” which by definition has to mean there is a second one after the “initial” one. Calling me names won’t change that. Might want to think about your “secondary” salvation (the one after the “initial” one.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

But we are not saved by faith. We are saved by God's grace

So faith is not necessary, an optional extra, or ?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Mungo

I didn’t have an initial salvation. I just was “saved.” Wasn’t “initial” and I don’t see anyone in Acts did either.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm a bit late to this and have only skimmed through the posts.
But yes, God has given us a "formula" and I'm surprised no-one has quoted this.

Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mk 16:16)
He also told the apostles to "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" (Mt 28:19-20).

That does not mean that is the only way one can be saved. God is sovereign and can save whoever he wants to and for whatever reasons he chooses. But that is the way he has given us and we cannot do it our way.

Hi Mungo
Are you saying that Jesus left the instruction to all of us to go into all the world to teach and baptize or only to the Apostles? Matthew 28:19

Also, I need to add that when we use the word believe we need to understand that it means something different in Greek than how we understand it.

Our member, heartwashed HAS indeed stated that all we need to do to be saved is to believe.

I ask him...and you...believe what?

Jesus didn't say all we had to do was believe, instead He left us with a list of things to do.