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The Image of Christ

...they wait for the return of their Lord in the image of the Son of Man, they set out to perfect themselves, so that the Lord will find them worthy when he comes...
Are you saying we are not to be waiting for the literal return of Christ's physical body to earth?

And are you saying we are not to perfect ourselves so we will be found worthy, not even by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and faith in Christ?

...but instead they become obedient unto death.
Aren't we supposed to be obedient unto death?

"Be faithful until death..." (Revelation 2:10 NASB)
 
Thank you for response. I have no doubts within me that you truly have a love for the Lord, and from reading some of your other posts, you are very well versed in the scriptures. Please do not take this personally in any way, this is not my intent. I am not here to question your faith or your walk before the Lord. I am only offering an opportunity for you and for others to question their own faith. Your reply was the perfect prototypical response, it's what we've been taught, and it's what we've come to believe. But it does demonstrates that you understand there is a point when when you no longer need an intercessor. There is only one problem I find with with your statement, and that is it lacks any sense of faith. When Christ returns sometime in the future as the Son of Man; there is no FAITH in that, you have become like Thomas, needing to see to believe; But a risen Jesus said blessed are they who have not seen, and yet believe. The response that you gave is one that only reveals itself through FAITH. You know the scriptures that say Christ dwells in our hearts, and that the kingdom of God is within us, that we are the temple of God, that we are Born Again after the spirit, and as Paul through the epistles declared to us the Mystery of God, which is Christ in Us. You know these scriptures, so why don't you believe them? Why do you await the return of the Son of Man, when the Spirit of Christ already dwells in you? Where is your Faith? The Spirit of Christ is being poured out into all the world, but you do not hear him because you are not listening, you are looking for the image of the Son of Man instead.

First it is not our faith as faith is that of Christ Jesus in whom we believe in that he is the true Messiah prophesied of by the OT Prophets, fulfilled in the NT and will return as he promised. Jesus is not an image, but that of flesh and bone. After Jesus ascended to Heaven and his body was glorified by the Father he once again came back to his disciples to give them final instruction. Was this just an image or a spirit that the disciples saw and heard, no, it was the son of God, of flesh and bone and as they saw him ascend into the clouds also will he come back the same way. No images here as they saw Jesus physically as we will when he returns. We of faith are subject to physical death, but not Spiritual death giving the meaning of 1Corinthians 15:55 death where is thy sting. We do not worship the image of the cross, nor the tomb or anything else, but hold on to the fact of what they mean as in what Jesus went through for us. Same with communion, Jesus said to do this in remembrance of him. We remember that of what Jesus taught and the sacrifice he made for the atonement of sin and reconciliation by the grace of God. We also watch for his coming so he will not be to us as a thief that comes in the night that we are not ready for. No images here.

Luke 24:33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
Luke 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luke 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luke 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luke 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
 
First it is not our faith as faith is that of Christ Jesus in whom we believe in that he is the true Messiah prophesied of by the OT Prophets, fulfilled in the NT and will return as he promised. Jesus is not an image, but that of flesh and bone. After Jesus ascended to Heaven and his body was glorified by the Father he once again came back to his disciples to give them final instruction. Was this just an image or a spirit that the disciples saw and heard, no, it was the son of God, of flesh and bone and as they saw him ascend into the clouds also will he come back the same way. No images here as they saw Jesus physically as we will when he returns. We of faith are subject to physical death, but not Spiritual death giving the meaning of 1Corinthians 15:55 death where is thy sting. We do not worship the image of the cross, nor the tomb or anything else, but hold on to the fact of what they mean as in what Jesus went through for us. Same with communion, Jesus said to do this in remembrance of him. We remember that of what Jesus taught and the sacrifice he made for the atonement of sin and reconciliation by the grace of God. We also watch for his coming so he will not be to us as a thief that comes in the night that we are not ready for. No images here.

Luke 24:33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
Luke 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luke 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luke 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luke 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
I am one who changed away from the common understanding of the life to come as being mystical and misty to that of a very literal, physical kingdom. It was just too hard to resist the scriptures that show us this.
 
I am one who changed away from the common understanding of the life to come as being mystical and misty to that of a very literal, physical kingdom. It was just too hard to resist the scriptures that show us this.

I agree. I can't see how it could be anything else but the physical when scripture is very specific in that of the literal New Jerusalem that will be ushered down as then we will be with the Lord forever.
 
I agree. I can't see how it could be anything else but the physical when scripture is very specific in that of the literal New Jerusalem that will be ushered down as then we will be with the Lord forever.

There is no Faith in the physical. And the just shall live by Faith. The physical relies on sight and touch, but faith is of the spirit. How does that phrase go? Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

Habakkuk 2:2-4
And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

The soul which is lifted up is not upright in him. What does that mean? Is it a soul lifted up by pride, thereby revealing the unrighteousness in him? Or is this soul lifted up by the resurrection of Christ, and though he is not worthy, he walks as a new creation in the Spirit of Christ. The Just shall live by Faith.

Romans 1:17-25
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

When you work to perfect yourselves through your obedience to death so that you are worthy when he appears, then you work to create yourself in your own image. But through Faith in Christ, we have ceased from our own works, so that the Lord might perform his work in us, which is to form us in the image of Christ, in the image of His resurrection, and in the image of the Son of Man, the humble servant.
 
Jesus left you a commandment saying forgive one another your sins, as I have forgiven you. His disciples asked him how many times must they forgive? And he said unto seventy times seven. So I ask a simple question: When you forgive one another your sins, do you do so out of obedience to the commandment? Or do you do so because Christ has created within you a forgiving nature?
 
Romans 8:3-9
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
Jesus left you a commandment saying forgive one another your sins, as I have forgiven you. His disciples asked him how many times must they forgive? And he said unto seventy times seven. So I ask a simple question: When you forgive one another your sins, do you do so out of obedience to the commandment? Or do you do so because Christ has created within you a forgiving nature?

I had one person that I could not really truly forgive for many years.
I have forgiven that person but it was not me that brought the forgiveness about. It was completely of the Lord.
 
There is no Faith in the physical. And the just shall live by Faith. The physical relies on sight and touch, but faith is of the spirit. How does that phrase go? Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

Habakkuk 2:2-4
And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

The soul which is lifted up is not upright in him. What does that mean? Is it a soul lifted up by pride, thereby revealing the unrighteousness in him? Or is this soul lifted up by the resurrection of Christ, and though he is not worthy, he walks as a new creation in the Spirit of Christ. The Just shall live by Faith.

Romans 1:17-25
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

When you work to perfect yourselves through your obedience to death so that you are worthy when he appears, then you work to create yourself in your own image. But through Faith in Christ, we have ceased from our own works, so that the Lord might perform his work in us, which is to form us in the image of Christ, in the image of His resurrection, and in the image of the Son of Man, the humble servant.

Everything is by faith. There is blind faith in those things we hope for, but yet to have manifest through Christ and there is also faith increased by Christ through those things which have manifest before our own eyes as in answered prayer that we see the literal works of the Lord in the here and now. There is nothing of ourselves that we can do on our own as all things are done through the power and authority of Christ given to us by the grace of God. Our image of Christ is that of love and compassion, one who laid his own life down being obedient to death. Our obedience to God is to stay in his will being obedient to his commandments unto our own physical death to then wait until until his coming when we are resurrected and changed from this corruptible body into that incorruptible body, when immortality takes on morality as we will be changed to that of a glorified body to be with the Lord forever.
 
I agree. I can't see how it could be anything else but the physical when scripture is very specific in that of the literal New Jerusalem that will be ushered down as then we will be with the Lord forever.

I'm not disagreeing about a literal new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem. But I have trouble picturing the New Jerusalem that is a cube, sitting on the new earth. :shrug
 
I'm not disagreeing about a literal new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem. But I have trouble picturing the New Jerusalem that is a cube, sitting on the new earth. :shrug
I think that speaks to it's perfection.

Even though figures are used to describe it, it is still very much a literal, physical kingdom occupied by literal, physical human bodies--glorified bodies, like Jesus has.
 
Our image of Christ is that of love and compassion, one who laid his own life down being obedient to death.
Yes, the image of Christ that we are being fashioned into is his character.

If you want to know what Jesus looks like read Galatians 5:22-23 NASB.
 
It could also be a pyramid. The exact shape is never given, just length, width, height.:twocents

Pyramids also resemble mountains.
I suppose so. Mountains are figures of kingdoms in the Bible.

New ager's who have mixed Christianity with their eastern religious beliefs will latch on to that pretty quick, lol.
 
I'm not disagreeing about a literal new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem. But I have trouble picturing the New Jerusalem that is a cube, sitting on the new earth. :shrug

Rev 21:9-27 describes the new Jerusalem as it is measured to be four square that is 1377 miles in the length, the breadth and height and the walls of it are 144 cubits which equals 216 ft high. The only ones that are allowed in are those who's names are found written in the book of life. I know this was a vision John saw, but it's pretty specific in it's measurements.

1 cubit = 18 inches 144 x 18 = 2592 inches 2592 ÷ 12 = 216 feet
 
Yes, the image of Christ that we are being fashioned into is his character.

If you want to know what Jesus looks like read Galatians 5:22-23 NASB.
:amen as none of us knows what he physically look like
 
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