Pentecost and flames?d.
The baptism of fire will be the end of the world.
Mississippi redneck
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Pentecost and flames?d.
The baptism of fire will be the end of the world.
I think we are dealing with multiple definitions of sin.How do you know those burnt works are works of sin in the saved believers life? They could be non-sinful, but unproductive works in the saved condition, and sin in the believer's pre-saved condition.
Sounds pretty common for any number of scriptural misunderstandings.I hope it's instructive to those reading this thread how...lame the response is to the OP from the sinless perfection side. There is nothing, really, but false dichotomies, out-of-context manipulation of Scripture, and mere contradiction rather than sound argument in the response. This is fairly typical of false doctrine, however.
I do not down play any scriptureYou downplay Jesus' two commandments by bringing in the rest of the Law.
One thing that is lost in modern evangelical Christianity is the concept of discipleship and sanctification.I do not down play any scripture
What is your conclusion on these scriptures?
We should be defining what sin is with the scriptural definition. Not man's definition.I think we are dealing with multiple definitions of sin.
What do you mean ?Pentecost and flames?
Mississippi redneck
eddif
That is NOT the full blown definition. It is a partial definition. Yes, transgression is a sin. So is falling short.We should be defining what sin is with the scriptural definition. Not man's definition.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
It seems to me no matter what scripture is quoted and explained it can always be twisted into a false doctrine.
The feeling is amazing when we finally can understand those tough scriptures that on the surface may seem straightforward and simple, but are in reality very deep and hard to understand without prayer and being spiritually discerned through proper study.
The commandments boil down to this...Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength: and love your neighbor as you love yourself.I do not down play any scripture
What is your conclusion on these scriptures?
Romans 2:13
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
Romans 3:31
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
1 John 2:4
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
John 14:15
If you love me, you will keep my commandments
2 John 1:6
And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.
Galatians 3:21
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
Joshua 1:8
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
James 1:25
But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Romans 3:20
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:21-22
Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
Proverbs 28:9
If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.
Proverbs 28
Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law strive against them. Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand it completely.
Romans 13: 8-10
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Psalms 119:10
With my whole heart I seek you; let me not wander from your commandments!
Romans 8:7
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.
Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
Romans 7:7
What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
By the way, Jesus two commandments are actually written in the Law of Moses, it is a fraction of ALL the law, which if you follow those two wholeheartedly, there is no way you wouldn't be following every instruction that can be followed, including festivals to God, the sabbath, and dietary instructions.
In the Bible, the word sin – whether it is in the Hebrew or the Greek – actually means to miss the mark. The reason this definition is so important is because it points to two things. First, there is a target we are aiming at, and second it speaks to our intention. Once we know there is a target, then we can choose to hit it or to miss it.That is NOT the full blown definition. It is a partial definition. Yes, transgression is a sin. So is falling short.
Since ALL the writers of the NT were well versed in the Hebrew scriptures, I suggest you do a full OT analysis of what is a sin, what is a transgression and what is iniquity. They are distinct
That will give you are TRUE scriptural definition, not just a proof text definition.
Very true. It is not just aiming at a different target. (transgressing the command) It is also aiming at the proper mark but not hitting it. Falling short of the glory of God.In the Bible, the word sin – whether it is in the Hebrew or the Greek – actually means to miss the mark. The reason this definition is so important is because it points to two things. First, there is a target we are aiming at, and second it speaks to our intention. Once we know there is a target, then we can choose to hit it or to miss it.
The target is God’s word or commands and when we miss this target, we have committed sin.
Gods words throughout Scripture, not my words.Yes. The "twisted explanation,"
Not if if contradicts scripture to form a false doctrine.defend those fundamental and thoroughly-established doctrines.
Nobody but one is perfect.Why do you feel that doing so, is impossible ?
Just becaus your goofy "sinles perfection of humans" doctrine is impossible doesn't meanWhy do you feel that doing so, is impossible ?
that THIS text, in purple, is impossible. You've begged the question.Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength: and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
When you finally understand a hard truth or a deep passage that ties multiple scriptures together it is a joy or excitement that can't compare, and makes me that much more hungry and eager for God's deep truths.Yes, discovering the depths of God's Truth IS amazing because it always inevitably reveals Him. God's Truth, when I understand it properly, always moves me nearer to God Himself showing me new dimensions of who He is. Nothing beats this sort of divine revelation.
If He is our example, our King, our Ransom, our Savior, wouldn't it behoove us to obey Him ?Nobody but one is perfect.
That is a correct statement.Even if you commit one sin in ten years, you are still sinning and are not perfect like Jesus Christ is.
Do you know Him ?If you say otherwise you are a liar.
It isn't impossible, so your argument against it is a strawman argument.Just becaus your goofy "sinles perfection of humans" doctrine is impossible doesn't mean
that THIS text, in purple, is impossible. You've begged the question.