"The Many Errors of Calvinism" -

[Hitch]

And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
(Rev 22:17 NKJV)​

The Spirit and the Lord's church say come and partake of all spritiual blessing that are found "in Christ' - come and be saved ALL 'whoso ever will'. Let me know if you need any help processing that truth.

Is the question too hard?

Is there a specific verse you refer to with 'whosoever will' ?

Odd that you would repeat this many times and when asked for the specific verse you had in mind you quote one that doesnt use the term at all

 

[zeke]

So in fact Calvin never speaks of force at all its just something you made up

Nothing made up at all - think conceptually. Of course, in your case you will actually have to read what Calvin has presented. Report back when you are finished.

concept - a theoretical construct within some theory​

 

[zeke]

Is the question too hard?

Is there a specific verse you refer to with 'whosoever will' ?

Is English your first language? Why is it too hard for you? Please explain.

 

[Hitch]

Is English your first language? Why is it too hard for you? Please explain.

Is there a specific verse you refer to with 'whosoever will' ?

It has become evident that you dont have a verse . So its very odd you made such a point of quoting 'whosoever will' so many times . But it does explain why you failed to answer the first time. And trying to blame me,,, well thats as per script.

 

[Hitch]

Nothing made up at all - think conceptually. Of course, in your case you will actually have to read what Calvin has presented. Report back when you are finished.

concept - a theoretical construct within some theory​

OK so then it should be easy for you to quote Cavlin wrt force ( your chosen term )

There should be hundreds of examples, right?

Or its nothing but spin you heard from some other source.

 

[zeke]

Is there a specific verse you refer to with 'whosoever will' ?

It has become evident that you dont have a verse . So its very odd you made such a point of quoting 'whosoever will' so many times . But it does explain why you failed to answer the first time. And trying to blame me,,, well thats as per script.

Lol - are you always in a state of confusion? Again I ask - is English your first language?

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(Rev 22:17 KJV)​

 

[Danus]

Lol - are you always in a state of confusion? Again I ask - is English your first language?

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(Rev 22:17 KJV)​

This has nothing to do with disproving Calvin. In fact it only backs up Calvin.

Revelation 22:17

New International Version (NIV)

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!†And let the one who hears say, “Come!†Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.



This verse is not speaking of anyone, but those who are chosen in the first place. Who is thirsty, one who wishes, those who hear, who soever will, The elect. get it now? Calvin is not hard to understand.



Some are saved, some are not. fact. Not everyone who hears the gospel will respond...that's a fact. I have given you plenty of biblical verses to back that up.



We've barley scratched the surface and you've yet to get your head around unconditional election.

 

[zeke]

OK so then it should be easy for you to quote Cavlin wrt force ( your chosen term )

Think conceptually my friend - as a Calvinist were programmed (robotically) before the foundation of the world to be "the elect", were you forced by God (irresistibly) to be one of "the elect", or do you doubt your "election" and in reality you are really one of the many that God irresistibly forces to not repent? Remember - in Calvinism the is no free-will.

robot - a person who works mechanically without original thought, especially one who responds automatically to the commands of others.​

 

[zeke]

This verse is not speaking of anyone, but those who are chosen in the first place. Who is thirsty, one who wishes, those who hear, who soever will, The elect. get it now? Calvin is not hard to understand.

The passage is addressed to ALL who are lost - all who are "athirst" - all who are willing to choose to place their faith in Jesus and repent. It is addressed to "whosoever will" - those who will obey the gospel of Christ - all who will "take the water of life freely". Jesus was not a Calvinist - easy biblical concept. Take off your Calvinistic blinders - open your eyes.

 

[zeke]

We've barley scratched the surface and you've yet to get your head around unconditional election.

Actually, you appear to be running on empty and unconditional election has long been defeated. You need to get out more often.

You also didn't answer my questions. Can you? One more time - in your earlier 'clarification' are you agreeing with me that no one will be saved without obedience to the gospel of Christ – “that form of doctrine to which you were delivered”? Do we agree that one either freely submits to God via “obedience leading to righteousness” or one remains a “slaves to sin” that results in separation from God and spiritual death? Do we agree that the gospel call is given to ALL of mankind? Do we agree that the Spirit and bride say to all mankind from all nations...come...let whoever desires take the water of life freely?

 

[Hitch]

Think conceptually my friend - as a Calvinist were programmed (robotically) before the foundation of the world to be "the elect", were you forced by God (irresistibly) to be one of "the elect", or do you doubt your "election" and in reality you are really one of the many that God irresistibly forces to not repent? Remember - in Calvinism the is no free-will.

robot - a person who works mechanically without original thought, especially one who responds automatically to the commands of others.​

Spin doktor- zeke

Go ahead Z since you say it is terribly obvious it should very easy for you to quote Calvin on the matter. You wont . You cant. So you will quote Zeke LOL instead.Quoting Zeke to prove what Calvin wrote..:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny.

 

[Hitch]

Lol - are you always in a state of confusion? Again I ask - is English your first language?

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
(Rev 22:17 KJV)​

Ahh you found one

Who desires anything from God?

 

[zeke]

Ahh you found one

Which leaves you with your foot in your mouth again - typical. Let us know when you are educated on Calvinism. You're just a wanna-be who really has nothing to contribute to the discussion - right? :p

 

[farouk]

zeke:

Still at it?

(Haven't been here for a few days.)

 

[Hitch]

Which leaves you with your foot in your mouth again - typical. Let us know when you are educated on Calvinism. You're just a wanna-be who really has nothing to contribute to the discussion - right? :p

Why not just answer the question ?

Who desires anything from God?

 

[zeke]

zeke:

Still at it?

(Haven't been here for a few days.)

Hi farouk - did you have more to post?

 

[farouk]

Hi farouk - did you have more to post?

zeke: Maybe I need to be denounced first?

 

[zeke]

zeke: Maybe I need to be denounced first?

Self denunciation? Whatever.

 

[farouk]

Self denunciation? Whatever.

Whether it's before or after; doesn't seem to make a difference.

I've already posted Scriptures on this thread; I think I'll go away again.

 

[zeke]

Whether it's before or after; doesn't seem to make a difference.

I've already posted Scriptures on this thread; I think I'll go away again.

Okay.