the rapture???

[Dorothy Mae]

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???? I suppose you'll equivocate and say that someone else labeled you as such...?​

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[HEADING=3]Dorothy Mae​

Preterist Overseer​

Preterist Overseer

Ah, you got me there.

But she uses that as a dismissal while insisting she isn’t any category but “true biblical.” See the difference?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think you are referring to the pre-tribulation rapture (catching up) theory.

The pre-tribulation rapture teaching is blatantly false and has damaged the Church greatly.


JLB

No actually any futurism because they believe the world is not becoming the kingdom of our Lord but going to get terrible.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

BTW, John who wrote these letters to the Churches in Asia while being a prisoner on the isle of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus wrote these letters around 96AD, which would make it 26 years later after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

No, he was exiled under Nero in 60 something AD. He was told he’d still be before rulers and at 60 years of age, that was possible. At 90, the date you suggest, he was a feeble old man and couldn’t walk. The evidence internal
and otherwise is before the destruction of Israel, which soon took place.

 

[for_his_glory]

I do not label myself as a Preterist, you did that so you can more easily dismiss my challenges.

You are a Futurist by definition and you didn’t answer my Bible quote.

Jesus said in Rev 1:1 that the purpose of the Revelation was to show his servants what was soon to take place. You did not answer that.

I know it’s because you cannot as a Futurist. What Jesus says is the purpose just cannot be for those in your persuasion.

It’s good to acknowledge that there are questions or problems with the view one has.

Sorry, I didn't see you quoting Rev 1:1 as this thread moves fast. I agree with what it says, so what is your point?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Sorry, I didn't see you quoting Rev 1:1 as this thread moves fast. I agree with what it says, so what is your point?

It says the purpose of the book was to tell his servants what would SOON take place. That puts a majority of those events in their lifetime, 1st century. It was written primarily to them.

Same with Matthew 24, at least the terrible parts ending with the destruction of the temple such that not one stone was left upon another.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ah, you got me there.

But she uses that as a dismissal while insisting she isn’t any category but “true biblical.” See the difference?

No, It's you that says everything happened in 70AD.

 

[for_his_glory]

It says the purpose of the book was to tell his servants what would SOON take place. That puts a majority of those events in their lifetime, 1st century. It was written primarily to them.

Soon is altogether different in God's timing as how does one define the word "soon" as in days, hours or minutes.
In the OT the word latter day is used. Can you determine when that is?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No, It's you that says everything happened in 70AD.

Sigh!! For the umpteeth time, NOT EVERYTHING IN REVELATION IS FULFILLED. Please try to keep my view in mind. You’re attacking a straw man

Jesus has not yet returned
The Resurrection has not yet occurred.
Judgement is not yet happened.

 

[for_his_glory]

It says the purpose of the book was to tell his servants what would SOON take place. That puts a majority of those events in their lifetime, 1st century. It was written primarily to them.

Same with Matthew 24, at least the terrible parts ending with the destruction of the temple such that not one stone was left upon another.

If you want to believe Revelation was only written just for Israel then you are sorely mistaken as John wrote this in 98AD about future events that must come first before the return of Christ.

The seven trumpets sounding, the seven vile judgements and the destruction of the the beast out of the sea and its false prophet being the beast out of the earth has not taken place yet because Christ has not returned yet. It has nothing to do with you calling me a Futurist, but that these events have not happened yet.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sigh!! For the umpteeth time, NOT EVERYTHING IN REVELATION IS FULFILLED. Please try to keep my view in mind. You’re attacking a straw man

Jesus has not yet returned
The Resurrection has not yet occurred.
Judgement is not yet happened.

Well then please explain what you mean by coming soon. Other than the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD that Jesus told the disciples about that day He sat with them what else has been fulfilled.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Soon is altogether different in God's timing as how does one define the word "soon" as in days, hours or minutes.
In the OT the word latter day is used. Can you determine when that is?

Then that was not the purpose as Jesus stated it, in your view.

He actually said “soon” often and soon happened within a few years. But I know for you it wasn’t soon at all.

It’s really a lot easier to just believe the words as they were meant to the recipients of the texts. That’s all I want to say.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If you want to believe Revelation was only written just for Israel then you are sorely mistaken as John wrote this in 98AD about future events that must come first before the return of Christ.

No, it was written for his servants, the church, before the destruction of the temple as it’s still standing at the time of the writing. Only Hebrews is written to the Hebrews.

The seven trumpets sounding, the seven vile judgements and the destruction of the the beast out of the sea and its false prophet being the beast out of the earth has not taken place yet because Christ has not returned yet. It has nothing to do with you calling me a Futurist, but that these events have not happened yet.

That’s what futurists believe.

 

[for_his_glory]

Then that was not the purpose as Jesus stated it, in your view.

He actually said “soon” often and soon happened within a few years. But I know for you it wasn’t soon at all.

It’s really a lot easier to just believe the words as they were meant to the recipients of the texts. That’s all I want to say.

I guess by not answering my question of what has already been fulfilled other then that of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD that you do not have an answer.

There has been tribulation since the beginning of the fall of Satan, but the tribulation that comes during the seven trumpets sounding will be the last time, but yet we are not to fear that which must come first before Christ returns. This will be the greatest time of witnessing Christ to others as I believe many will turn back to Him before He returns.

 

[for_his_glory]

No, it was written for his servants, the church, before the destruction of the temple as it’s still standing at the time of the writing. Only Hebrews is written to the Hebrews.

Seriously, the temple was not standing in 98AD when John was given these visions to write. We are all His servants.

Revelations is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile. Israel is mainly mentioned, but not all of Israel is Gods chosen people. Those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are joined as a branch with Israel as God is the root of that branch and those who are sealed by His Holy Spirit are His own who find favor in Him, Romans 11:11-31. Therefore, our attention needs to be on those things that are happening in Israel especially Jerusalem as being Gods Holy City.​

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Well then please explain what you mean by coming soon. Other than the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD that Jesus told the disciples about that day He sat with them what else has been fulfilled.

All of Matthew 24 preceding when the Christians were warned to leave. Those who pierced him saw the judgement of God for crucifying Christ. After verse 31, no more great tribulation described. Jesus have more detail in Revelation. But his second coming has not occurred yet. The kingdoms of this world are becoming the kingdoms of our Lord.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Seriously, the temple was not standing in 98AD when John was given these visions to write. We are all His servants.

John wrote before it’s destruction when he was in his 60s. John was a feeble old man in 98, if not dead.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

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Seriously, the temple was not standing in 98AD when John was given these visions to write. We are all His servants.

Revelations is given to all nations and tongues that live throughout the whole world as in Jew and Gentile. Israel is mainly mentioned, but not all of Israel is Gods chosen people. Those who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are joined as a branch with Israel as God is the root of that branch and those who are sealed by His Holy Spirit are His own who find favor in Him, Romans 11:11-31. Therefore, our attention needs to be on those things that are happening in Israel especially Jerusalem as being Gods Holy City.​

Where is Israel mentioned at all in Revelation besides the 144000?

 

[for_his_glory]

No, it was written for his servants, the church, before the destruction of the temple as it’s still standing at the time of the writing. Only Hebrews is written to the Hebrews.

Come on, how could the Temple still be standing in 98AD when it was destroyed in 70AD.
The seven churches John wrote to in Asia represents all the churches even today as being the body of Christ with He being the head of the Body. Just like the Disciples we are all servants of God that are in Christ Jesus. The Doctrines of Christ are for everyone who has ears to hear what He is teaching.

 

[for_his_glory]

John wrote before it’s destruction when he was in his 60s. John was a feeble old man in 98, if not dead.

You need to search the history on the Apostle John as he was 98 years old while on the isle of Patmos when he wrote these letters to the seven churches in Asia. When the Roman guards set him free he died two years later in Emphasis at the age of 100.

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

John was born in 6AD and after the crucifixion John, taking Mary with him traveled to Emphasis between 38 and 47AD as he lived there the rest of his life establishing the seven churches there.

 

[for_his_glory]

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Where is Israel mentioned at all in Revelation besides the 144000?

Rev 12:1-17

The focus in Revelations would seem to center around Israel only and the nations that come against her for this is how John would recognize it to be since all the nations were not yet developed in his time. Revelations is about all of us, Jew and Gentile, past, present and future that by faith keep Gods commandments. We are Gods witnesses that testify of His mercy and grace as we take His word out into the world to those who have ears to hear.​