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the rapture???

for_his_glory said:
Think I too will move on because of your arrogance and rudeness towards me because I do not agree with your views. You have a good day.
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I’ve usually avoided you because you falsely judge me and accuse me of wrong on a fairly serious level. But I bear you no ill. That is how Jesus would have me respond and it’s not difficult. She who is forgiven much…..
 
for_his_glory said:
No I am not Jewish and there will never be a third temple built as the Muslims will never give that part of the land back to the Jews, but like I said this probably needs to be another thread about the temple as I have much to show others about that and it would derail this thread.
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I agree a thread on the Temple would be good.
 
JLB said:
So you believe the resurrection is past?
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No, Jesus has not returned and the dead are not yet raised. The kingdoms are becoming his not by an aggressive hostile invasion but by more and people volunteering. Doesn’t that sound more like Jesus than the typical Russian like invasion so often preached?
 
Dorothy Mae said:
No, Jesus has not returned and the dead are not yet raised.
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Amen!

Dorothy Mae said:
The kingdoms are becoming his not by an aggressive hostile invasion but by more and people volunteering. Doesn’t that sound more like Jesus than the typical Russian like invasion so often preached?
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The kingdoms of this world are becoming the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ… until the knowledge of the glory of the Lord covers the earth as the waters cover the sea.


JLB
 
JLB said:
Amen!



The kingdoms of this world are becoming the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ… until the knowledge of the glory of the Lord covers the earth as the waters cover the sea.


JLB
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Amen!! I found it thrilling to
learn that the Kingdom of Christ will be comprised, not of the conquered by a violent attack, but all volunteers.
 
Hello fellow believers in Christ! This is my first post in CF!
I realize the rapture is a very controversial topic. Here's my short story.
All my life I believed in the rapture bc I was told it was true. It really wasn't a big issue for me.
But now that it really seems like we're in the end times, it has become more relevant.
So one day, I hear this radio pastor (who has had some concerning practices in his ministry) say, "When all hell breaks loose, God's gonna take me out of here." I really was skeptical.
So I went on an intense reading of the Word.
Like many others before me, I too believe there is no scriptural support for the rapture.
I'm amazed that this false teaching is blindly believed by so many people.
For me, the rapture is a totally false doctrine. It is wishful thinking. That's my personal belief.
It was started by John Darby in 1830. This belief simply did not exist before him.
Here's the big problem with believing the rapture. It's like preparing for a storm when really a hurricane is coming. Matthew 24 is 100% clear there is no rapture. Also, in Revelation, when the mark of the beast is forced on people, believers who refuse to get it are beheaded. How can that be if there is a rapture?
If you believe in the rapture and expect to be "taken away" and you're not, your faith will be crushed.
We may not even be alive when the mark comes. But dying by beheading is painless in comparison.
Billy Graham and Craig Keener are also former believers in the rapture. Most pastors do not believe in the rapture.
However, I would never argue with a rapture believer about this. They are fully convinced and that is their choice. I respect that.
I believe we must agree to disagree on this issue and not waste time on this disagreement.
 
Seeker of God said:
Hello fellow believers in Christ! This is my first post in CF!
I realize the rapture is a very controversial topic. Here's my short story.
All my life I believed in the rapture bc I was told it was true. It really wasn't a big issue for me.
But now that it really seems like we're in the end times, it has become more relevant.
So one day, I hear this radio pastor (who has had some concerning practices in his ministry) say, "When all hell breaks loose, God's gonna take me out of here." I really was skeptical.
So I went on an intense reading of the Word.
Like many others before me, I too believe there is no scriptural support for the rapture.
I'm amazed that this false teaching is blindly believed by so many people.
For me, the rapture is a totally false doctrine. It is wishful thinking. That's my personal belief.
It was started by John Darby in 1830. This belief simply did not exist before him.
Here's the big problem with believing the rapture. It's like preparing for a storm when really a hurricane is coming. Matthew 24 is 100% clear there is no rapture. Also, in Revelation, when the mark of the beast is forced on people, believers who refuse to get it are beheaded. How can that be if there is a rapture?
If you believe in the rapture and expect to be "taken away" and you're not, your faith will be crushed.
We may not even be alive when the mark comes. But dying by beheading is painless in comparison.
Billy Graham and Craig Keener are also former believers in the rapture. Most pastors do not believe in the rapture.
However, I would never argue with a rapture believer about this. They are fully convinced and that is their choice. I respect that.
I believe we must agree to disagree on this issue and not waste time on this disagreement.
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There really shouldn’t be a reason christian’s cannot disagree but the truth is few accept another christian can have a different view and remain a Christian. I think it’s because Christians aren’t taught why they believe as they do and why they don’t believe some matters. The result us people are threatened by new information.

Having said all that, I agree the Rapture is no where in scripture but the believers are told to
either flee or endure if fleeing isn’t possible.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
There really shouldn’t be a reason christian’s cannot disagree but the truth is few accept another christian can have a different view and remain a Christian. I think it’s because Christians aren’t taught why they believe as they do and why they don’t believe some matters. The result us people are threatened by new information.

Having said all that, I agree the Rapture is no where in scripture but the believers are told to
either flee or endure if fleeing isn’t possible.
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That discussion would make for a good thread, but examining why folks believe what they do could lead to epistemology. And that could lead to dancing.
 
Dorothy Mae said:
Epistemology is likely a few notches beyond some.
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It's not just that Dorothy. It's a two-dollar word, sure-- but beyond the academic or philosophical conversation the root problem is that most folks are completely unwilling to examine their "beliefs" and do not even consider those to be beliefs at all. Rather, they think their beliefs are truth and thus facts-- so then by logic and default YOUR beliefs if they differ from theirs at all MUST BE false.
 
Mister E said:
It's not just that Dorothy. It's a two-dollar word, sure-- but beyond the academic or philosophical conversation the root problem is that most folks are completely unwilling to examine their "beliefs" and do not even consider those to be beliefs at all. Rather, they think their beliefs are truth and thus facts-- so then by logic and default YOUR beliefs if they differ from theirs at all MUST BE false.
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There is a difficulty in separating what one so strongly believes from evidence from what one has been told to think.
 
Listen, those who have a mind of understanding, read what is written here and believe:

The dead in Christ will rise in the middle of the Tribulation, after their testimony is completed and it results in ten nations called the 'Ten Horns' destroying their monitary systems that is Babylon The Great. When the words of their testimony accomplish that, then the Antichrist will kill them and overcome the saints. These saints are the two olive branches and the two lamp stands that represent the 144,000 Jews and a great multitude of Gentiles from all nations that are described as the two witnesses whose bodies will lie in the streets and not be buried. Then they will rise and be caught up with the Lord. This is what is described as the dead in Christ rising first. Then the Antichrist will rule Earth for 3 and a half years until the Second Coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and the armies of Earth will gather to do battle with him and the Lord will destroy them and he will destroy the Earth with fire, killing all those who accept the beast system, and all those who are alive and remain will be with the Lord in the Millennial Reign.


All that can be cross referenced in Revelations, I Thessalonians, Mark, Matthew, and all other books describing the Tribulation.
 
Michael The Archangel said:
Listen, those who have a mind of understanding, read what is written here and believe:

The dead in Christ will rise in the middle of the Tribulation, after their testimony is completed and it results in ten nations called the 'Ten Horns' destroying their monitary systems that is Babylon The Great. When the words of their testimony accomplish that, then the Antichrist will kill them and overcome the saints. These saints are the two olive branches and the two lamp stands that represent the 144,000 Jews and a great multitude of Gentiles from all nations that are described as the two witnesses whose bodies will lie in the streets and not be buried. Then they will rise and be caught up with the Lord. This is what is described as the dead in Christ rising first. Then the Antichrist will rule Earth for 3 and a half years until the Second Coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and the armies of Earth will gather to do battle with him and the Lord will destroy them and he will destroy the Earth with fire, killing all those who accept the beast system, and all those who are alive and remain will be with the Lord in the Millennial Reign.


All that can be cross referenced in Revelations, I Thessalonians, Mark, Matthew, and all other books describing the Tribulation.
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I would like to analyze the tactics on this post.

Opening line draws a line..."those who have a mind of understanding" which means if you do not agree with this poster, you do NOT have a mind of understanding. You are, then, inferior. This is a threat. It tells us that the poster is not confident of their position so they have to start with a threat.

The middle paragraph is a theology that is explained without any scriptural references. If you want to try to find scriptures, you need to do the work the author was unwilling to do. Now the truth is if you do read the Bible on these matters, you will find big holes in this theory. Not the least of which is the numerous scriptures that tell the original audience that these things described would happen soon and they need to know this. The timing indications Jesus gave also indicated soon. There are those who hold this theology who are more confident.
 
Michael The Archangel said:
Listen, those who have a mind of understanding, read what is written here and believe:

The dead in Christ will rise in the middle of the Tribulation, after their testimony is completed and it results in ten nations called the 'Ten Horns' destroying their monitary systems that is Babylon The Great. When the words of their testimony accomplish that, then the Antichrist will kill them and overcome the saints. These saints are the two olive branches and the two lamp stands that represent the 144,000 Jews and a great multitude of Gentiles from all nations that are described as the two witnesses whose bodies will lie in the streets and not be buried. Then they will rise and be caught up with the Lord. This is what is described as the dead in Christ rising first. Then the Antichrist will rule Earth for 3 and a half years until the Second Coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and the armies of Earth will gather to do battle with him and the Lord will destroy them and he will destroy the Earth with fire, killing all those who accept the beast system, and all those who are alive and remain will be with the Lord in the Millennial Reign.


All that can be cross referenced in Revelations, I Thessalonians, Mark, Matthew, and all other books describing the Tribulation.
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Your timing is off ,Christ returns 3 1/2 days after the two witnesses are killed .
The tribulation is cut short, 6 months, time of the locus.

First beast = the one world government which will receive the deadly wound. Second beast = satan as the antichrist healing that wound and turning it to a one world religious system as all will think satan to be Christ.
 
n2thelight said:
Your timing is off ,Christ returns 3 1/2 days after the two witnesses are killed .
The tribulation is cut short, 6 months, time of the locus.

First beast = the one world government which will receive the deadly wound. Second beast = satan as the antichrist healing that wound and turning it to a one world religious system as all will think satan to be Christ.
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Days are meant to be years. The dead in Christ rise first in the middle of the Tribulation, then Christ returns 3 and a half years after that happens. Call it 3 and a quarter; it's still the second half at the end of the Tribulation.

The Beast is an empire of seven nations that rule the world. The Antichrist is not Satan, it's an image made by the false prophet of a historical figure who died and lives again who is inhabited by Apollyon from the bottomless pit. That happens in the middle of the Tribulation.
 
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Dorothy Mae said:
I would like to analyze the tactics on this post.

Opening line draws a line..."those who have a mind of understanding" which means if you do not agree with this poster, you do NOT have a mind of understanding. You are, then, inferior. This is a threat. It tells us that the poster is not confident of their position so they have to start with a threat.

The middle paragraph is a theology that is explained without any scriptural references. If you want to try to find scriptures, you need to do the work the author was unwilling to do. Now the truth is if you do read the Bible on these matters, you will find big holes in this theory. Not the least of which is the numerous scriptures that tell the original audience that these things described would happen soon and they need to know this. The timing indications Jesus gave also indicated soon. There are those who hold this theology who are more confident.
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There is no threat, only an intro. On the contrary, I am very confident in my position to assert that it is true and if you had a mind of understanding, then you would have read the books detailing the Tribulation and used them to prove my message wrong. My message is based on the prophecies in the Bible and you can read them yourself. So, what are the big holes that you've found in my message about the Tribulation?
 
Michael The Archangel said:
Days are meant to be years. The dead in Christ rise first in the middle of the Tribulation, then Christ returns 3 and a half years after that happens. Call it 3 and a quarter; it's still the second half at the end of the Tribulation.

The Beast is an empire of seven nations that rule the world. The Antichrist is not Satan, it's an image made by the false prophet of a historical figure who died and lives again who is inhabited by Apollyon from the bottomless pit. That happens in the middle of the Tribulation.
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Can't agree ,as satan is indeed the antichrist ,which in the Greek anti means instead of , and that's exactly how he shall deceive the world.

Apollyon is satan

revelation9
Revelation 9:11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the He'-brew tongue is A-bad'-don, but in the Greek tongue hath his [the] name A-pol'-ly-on."
There can be no doubt who the Antichrist is. Jesus is telling us here, through the pen of John. Satan is that King; and "Abaddon" in the Hebrew language means "destroyer" and that is Satan's name. This is verified in the Greek the name, "Apollyon" [Strongs # 623, "the destroyer "Satan"].

Do you understand the fourth beast is supernatural
 
Why may I ask does one need the Gospel Armor ,if we not gonna be here ,also ,why is it people don't know the chronological events that will and must happen before the return of Christ?

He gave it to ya

mark13
Mark 13:23 "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things."

Where please may I ask where in scripture did Christ teach a rapture ?​
 
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