then by what authority do you tell me my gen lifetime . wont see the coming of the Lord
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the rapture???
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FYI any member can edit their own post by clicking on edit at the bottom of their post, but only given a short amount of time to do so. Just thought I would let you know since you are kind of new here
Dorothy Mae
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Nope! I never said that. I’ve clearly said over and over again the the second coming and the Resurrection have not occurred
The word “angel” is messenger. Do you know this? There is no “sweeping” in the sentence. There is no instant in the sentence either unless you mean the Resurrection. Gathering his elect IS sharing the Gospel. The timing of that verse is perfect. No troubles nor tribulations follow that verse. They are all before.
Please show me the scripture for this.
Daniel 12:2 does not give the order, but that of what is also written in John 5:28-29 that happens on the last day.
I believe it was you that said "umm no dead in Christ fist those alive in Christ next". I gave you the scriptures that say the dead rise first. If you want to refute them then go right ahead. I am not going to argue with you on this.
Yes I realize that- thanks. And after that set time period, a member can still edit their post- but it will annotated- “Edited...”. I’m very familiar with XenForo. In-line moderation after the fact without annotation is made possible within certain permission sets. I noticed that Dorothy Mae edited her post without notice after I had already quoted what she said before editing. What I said quoted in post #67 is different than what now appears in her Post # 66. She actually changed it twice.FYI any member can edit their own post by clicking on edit at the bottom of their post, but only given a short amount of time to do so. Just thought I would let you know since you are kind of new here
i realize this goes against the grain of the gurus but after chapter 3 in rev the church is no more
romans 1:18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; the only righteousness i have is JESUS CHRIST . my sins was justified the moment i got saved. God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation. the Just will not face the wrath that is to come upon the earth after Christ takes us out------------->pre tribber and pro life
romans 1:18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; the only righteousness i have is JESUS CHRIST . my sins was justified the moment i got saved. God has not appointed us to wrath but to obtain salvation. the Just will not face the wrath that is to come upon the earth after Christ takes us out------------->pre tribber and pro life
wonderful i am sure you would never argue that would break tos
Dorothy Mae
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He shall send out his messengers and gather his believers from all the world, right. Notice there’s no meeting the air there. The Resurrection is also not then. No dead being raised.
Was it not you that said all things of Revelation are in the past? I agree the second coming and the resurrection has not occurred yet as that is not in question.
No answer to my question so I will ask one more time.
Where is the scripture that says, Gathering his elect IS sharing the Gospel.
I know the word angel means messenger, but in this instance of gathering the saints up to Christ has nothing to do with evangelizing others.
Dorothy Mae
Member
I’m allowed to edit my post even after you quote it which I didn’t notice and am not required to notice as far as I know.
OK, thanks for letting me know.
That’s fine. I simply made note of the fact. It doesn’t make for honest interactions though, when someone can say something, then insist they said something else entirely. In the least it’s discourteous, if not dishonest.
The Church, which represents the bride of Christ, will face seeing much tribulation as it will be hard to bare seeing Gods wrath poured out on the unjust as those who are anointed by God's Holy Spirit are sent out to preach to them before we enter into the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). There are many false teachings that teach we are taken out of here before some seven year Great Tribulation, but there is no scripture that speaks of a seven year Great Tribulation, but only 3 1/2 years. Some also teach that after Rev Chapter 4 the Church is no longer here on earth. If this were the case then why did Jesus say that those who endure until the end will be saved. The end of what, the end of days or as scripture calls it that great and terrible day of the Lord when final judgment will be passed as the Sheep are separated from the goats and the goats are cast into the lake of fire with Satan, the beast and false prophets.
By studying all the scriptures below in Revelations I come to the conclusion we will see much tribulation, but not to fear what must come, but stand strong in the faith of Christ Jesus as the Holy Spirit strengthens us to stand and endure until the coming of the Lord as God has a place prepared for us in the wilderness as His wrath passes over the earth, Rev 12:6. We need to be His witnesses as a faithful servant until He returns. God's wrath is not for the elect of God as they are kept from it falling on them and when we see the abomination that causes desolation, Daniel Chapter 7; Matthew 24:15-22; Rev Chapter 13, we are to flee from taking its mark as we stand in a greater faith in Christ that we need not fear that which has to come first before Christ returns, Matthew 10:28, but that we need to be prepared as His Bride when He does return on the last day and destroys the beast and false prophet at His coming, Rev 19.
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God as we are also His disciples.
Mat 24:13,29-31 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 3:5; 19:8 Jesus is telling us to watch for the signs of His coming and to overcome so that our names are not blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 5:13; 6:17; 7:1-5 On earth and under the earth are those who are still here until the end of days as God's wrath begins with the opening of the seventh seal.
Rev 6:9-11 Note where John says fellow servants and brethren that should be killed as they were, which means those of the elect of God who refuse to take the mark of the beast and will die a martyr's death for their faith in Christ.
Rev 7:13-17 Which came out of great tribulation is the fullness of the Gentiles who also died a martyr's death for the sake of Christ.
Rev 8:13 Three woes are that of warning the people on earth that the last three trumpets are about to sound.
Rev 13:11-18 Here John is showing us about mystery Babylon ruling the world as a one world government. 666 represents the number of the beast and the mark is the action of the hands and thoughts of the mind as many will be deceived and accept this mark.
Rev 14:14-20 The harvest of Gods Children who are still alive at this time as they are being protected against the vial judgments that will fall on those who have rejected Christ.
Rev 16:11,15 And they repented not. The elect of God are told to watch for the return of Christ as He comes like a theif and we are to keep our garments clean and not found in shame
Rev 18:23, 24 We have now come out of great tribulation through the persecution of the revived Roman Empire and Christ is about to return for His Bride
Rev 19:7,8 We being the Bride of Christ have now made ourselves ready for His coming as those who are still alive at this time and asleep in the grave have endured until the last day when Christ returns and destroys the beast and false prophet and sends His angels out to gather the Bride up to meet Jesus in the air.
Rev 20:4-6 These verses show that we went through much annihilation and endured until the end being the last day when Christ returns.
Rev 20:12-15 The Great White Throne judgment and Jesus judgment for the works we did or did not do for him here on earth
As an Admin you can easily look at the history of any post and see when and who edited it, what it said before and what it was changed to.
Even if it wasn't against the ToS I never argue the word, but only give my understanding. Arguing only causes division.
you can stand at the white throne judgment if ya want to
of course
Dorothy Mae
Member
No, never. Thanks for asking.
Me too.
Don’t you think sharing gospel is gathering people for him? I could ask you to show me in that verse where his elect are swept up into the clouds. The reference by Paul is clearly the Resurrection as the dead rise first, so that’s no reference. The angels aren’t gathering the elect at the Resurrection, Where is the scripture that says the angels gather the elect into the clouds? There are no angels gathering in Paul’s letter.
You see, you picture something in your mind that is not necessarily there. Gather? Yes. Into the clouds? Not there.
But that’s because you’ve been though a particular theology. There’s no mention of the resurrection of the dead there. None. In Paul’s reference, there’s no mention of gathering which kind of silly like a sheep dog. The trumpets sound and the dead are raised first. No gathering.
You are only giving one isolated scripture using it apart from all the other ones that speak about us being gathered up to meet Him in the air.