the rapture???

[Dorothy Mae]

That’s fine. I simply made note of the fact. It doesn’t make for honest interactions though, when someone can say something, then insist they said something else entirely. In the least it’s discourteous, if not dishonest.

I didn’t say anything different, did I? The edit is there for a reason so people can adjust what they said. It’s not dishonest.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You are only giving one isolated scripture using it apart from all the other ones that speak about us being gathered up to meet Him in the air.

Ok, besides Matthew where are we “gathered” in terms of the end as you see it? Besides the obvious Great Judgement.

 

[for_his_glory]

As an Admin you can easily look at the history of any post and see when and who edited it, what it said before and what it was changed to.

I agree, but yet we need to know, like you let us know that it was done after the fact. This thread is moving fast today.

 

[for_his_glory]

you can stand at the white throne judgment if ya want to

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

This all occurs at the final judgement of God when the books are opened and everyone judged out of them. This is called the Great White Throne judgement, Rev 20:11-15.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I agree, but yet we need to know, like you let us know that it was done after the fact. This thread is moving fast today.

All editing is done after the fact.

 

[jerry63935]

This all occurs at the final judgement of God when the books are opened and everyone judged out of them. This is called the Great White Throne judgement, Rev 20:11-15.

nope i will NOT stand at the white throne judgment

 

[ezrider]

Jesus said that before his coming there will be no signs same as there were no signs before the flood. Life was normal. Same as before the second coming. No signs. The times “of Jakob’s trouble” had lots of signs.

What sign was given for the time of Jacob's trouble? A baby being born? The time of Jacob's trouble is when Herod had all the young infants killed, Rachel weeping for her children. And who was it that was saved out of that, that was carried away to the land Egypt while Herod yet lived?


Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


Jeremiah 31:15
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation, and bitter weeping;
Rachel weeping for her children
refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.


Matthew 2:16-18
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

This was the time of Jacob's trouble, Rachel, his wife weeping for her children. There were no signs leading up to this, but it was a sign, a prophecy fulfilled.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I already told you the sign was the building of the ark in Post #53. Accept it or reject it as it makes no difference to me.

A man building a structure is NEVER a sign from God. Never. The reasons are obvious. Anyone can build anything and claim it’s a sign from God.

Signs from God are things only God can do so men know this is not from any man.

 

[for_his_glory]

No, never. Thanks for asking.

Me too.

Don’t you think sharing gospel is gathering people for him? I could ask you to show me in that verse where his elect are swept up into the clouds. The reference by Paul is clearly the Resurrection as the dead rise first, so that’s no reference. The angels aren’t gathering the elect at the Resurrection, Where is the scripture that says the angels gather the elect into the clouds? There are no angels gathering in Paul’s letter.

You see, you picture something in your mind that is not necessarily there. Gather? Yes. Into the clouds? Not there.

But that’s because you’ve been though a particular theology. There’s no mention of the resurrection of the dead there. None. In Paul’s reference, there’s no mention of gathering which kind of silly like a sheep dog. The trumpets sound and the dead are raised first. No gathering.

And again, no answer to my simple question.

I already showed you in those verses we are swept up, or another word, caught up to Him.

No, I have never been through particular theologies/doctrines of man since 1999 as many try to sway us away from the truth found in the word of God. People need to come out from those Hollywood movies and start seeking truth as many are being deceived in believing a lie like I use to.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What sign was given for the time of Jacob's trouble? A baby being born? The time of Jacob's trouble is when Herod had all the young infants killed, Rachel weeping for her children. And who was it that was saved out of that, that was carried away to the land Egypt while Herod yet lived?


Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


Jeremiah 31:15
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation, and bitter weeping;
Rachel weeping for her children
refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.


Matthew 2:16-18
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

This was the time of Jacob's trouble, Rachel, his wife weeping for her children. There were no signs leading up to this, but it was a sign, a prophecy fulfilled.

Herod killing the boys in one small village didn’t trouble anyone but local people. That didn’t trouble Israel.

 

[ezrider]

Herod killing the boys in one small village didn’t trouble anyone but local people. That didn’t trouble Israel.

if you say so

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And again, no answer to my simple question.

I answered it. You ask for a bible verse that says something NOT IN THE METAPHOR Jesus chose to use. You reject the metaphor. I asked for verses that talk about angels gathering believers into the air, which you think this means (rejecting the metaphor)

I already showed you in those verses we are swept up, or another word, caught up to Him.

Where?

No, I have never been through particular theologies/doctrines of man since 1999 as many try to sway us away from the truth found in the word of God. People need to come out from those Hollywood movies and start seeking truth as many are being deceived in believing a lie like I use to.

Your theology at points is every inch the popular one since Darby.

 

[for_his_glory]

Ok, besides Matthew where are we “gathered” in terms of the end as you see it? Besides the obvious Great Judgement.

I have already given you those scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Rev 14:14-20, but yet you reject them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

This all occurs at the final judgement of God when the books are opened and everyone judged out of them. This is called the Great White Throne judgement, Rev 20:11-15.

This is the resurrection and the Judgement of the wicked too. No elect are swept up here.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I have already given you those scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Rev 14:14-20, but yet you reject them.

That is the Resurrection of the righteous and the wicked for the judgement. All nations are gathered it says. There is no mention of angels gathering only the elect into the air.

If you want to say that verse in Matthew is the Resurrection and the Judgement, it’s missing the wicked and Judgement. Otherwise you cannot use the above verses as there’s no angles gathering the elect.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think we’ve covered it now.

 

[jerry63935]

nope i will NOT stand at the white throne judgment

i know shocking the Christians stand at the bema seat not with the lost ...

 

[for_his_glory]

A man building a structure is NEVER a sign from God. Never. The reasons are obvious. Anyone can build anything and claim it’s a sign from God.

Signs from God are things only God can do so men know this is not from any man.

Would you not be curious seeing something that never existed before being built in your town and possibly questioning what that thing is, especially seeing all the different animals and birds of the air being gathered into it? We have to remember that God had never caused it to rain on earth before the flood as He watered the ground by a mist/dew coming up out of the ground, Genesis 2:5 so this would take everyone by surprise, but would also be to late for them, Matthew 24:36-39.

We read in 2 Peter 2:5 Noah was a preacher of righteousness, yet everyone rejected his teachings. I would think seeing something built that no one knew what it was is a sign for something that is going to happen

 

[for_his_glory]

Signs from God are things only God can do so men know this is not from any man.

Well I would think that the specifics given to Noah in how to build the ark that he nor anyone ever heard of before and then seeing every animal and birds just up and entering it without a man gathering them to it, would be a very big sign of something that could only come from God.

 

[jerry63935]

no sign shall be given we have had all the sign s we need bible prophecy is being fulfilled as we speak .they mystery of inequity is having hay day another mass shooting at 4 th July parade .38Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.” 39 Jesus replied, “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.… they missed it .
1As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings. 2“ Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” 3While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”…

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. deception is here. soon Christ will return and take the church out / sigh**** yes i know this will not win me a popularity contest call me a dreamer call me what you want but call me gone