the rapture???

[for_his_glory]

I answered it. You ask for a bible verse that says something NOT IN THE METAPHOR Jesus chose to use. You reject the metaphor. I asked for verses that talk about angels gathering believers into the air, which you think this means (rejecting the metaphor)

You never gave book, chapter and verse. I will reject the metaphor if it is not proven in scripture.

Where?

Where.................I gave it to you three different times

Your theology at points is every inch the popular one since Darby.

Darby was one of those in the 1800's that preached the false Rapture theory. Why would I follow his false teachings. Everything that I have pointed to is found in the word of God, not man.

 

[for_his_glory]

This is the resurrection and the Judgement of the wicked too. No elect are swept up here.

 

[jerry63935]

2rut rohh the discussion is turning argument

 

[for_his_glory]

That is the Resurrection of the righteous and the wicked for the judgement. All nations are gathered it says. There is no mention of angels gathering only the elect into the air.

If you want to say that verse in Matthew is the Resurrection and the Judgement, it’s missing the wicked and Judgement. Otherwise you cannot use the above verses as there’s no angles gathering the elect.

I am not talking about the resurrection of the dead in judgement, but that Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him that includes those who have died that are God's own as they will be gathered/swept/caught up to Him.

 

[for_his_glory]

i know shocking the Christians stand at the bema seat not with the lost ...

I never said the Christians will stand with the lost as the sheep and the goats are separated when Christ comes in all His glory and sits on His throne as the sheep stand at His right hand and are told, well done thou good and faithful servant. This is the great White Throne judgement when all the books are opened and everyone judged out of them. Rev 20:11-12.

The Bema seat is that of God's righteous judgement given to Jesus when He comes in all His glory and sits on His throne to judge everyone as He will tell the sheep on His right hand, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:" and to the goats He will say, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." Matthew 25:31-46. Also referenced to John 5:28-29 and John 6:40.

 

[for_his_glory]

.38Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.” 39 Jesus replied, “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.… they missed it

Look who was asking these questions. The scribes and Pharisees are the ones who had Jesus put to death. They had many signs given to them while Jesus walked the earth that He was the Messiah, but yet they rejected them, especially the sign of Jonah as they never believed Jesus was raised from the dead.

A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Jesus only gave them the sign of Jonah, but yet they rejected that.

 

[jerry63935]

I never said the Christians will stand with the lost as the sheep and the goats are separated when Christ comes in all His glory and sits on His throne as the sheep stand at His right hand and are told, well done thou good and faithful servant. This is the great White Throne judgement when all the books are opened and everyone judged out of them. Rev 20:11-12.

The Bema seat is that of God's righteous judgement given to Jesus when He comes in all His glory and sits on His throne to judge everyone as He will tell the sheep on His right hand, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:" and to the goats He will say, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." Matthew 25:31-46. Also referenced to John 5:28-29 and John 6:40.

in the words of john MacArthur strange fire you best read up on the bema seat for our rewards of works .i have read a lot crazy stuff this is just about the tops

 

[jerry63935]

Look who was asking these questions. The scribes and Pharisees are the ones who had Jesus put to death. They had many signs given to them while Jesus walked the earth, but yet they rejected them, especially the sign of Jonah as they never believed Jesus was raised from the dead.

A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Jesus knew they would not accept any signs, but gave them the sign of Jonah that even they rejected because they were a wicked and adulterous generation.

i can read i know who was looking asking for the signs

 

[for_his_glory]

2rut rohh the discussion is turning argument

No arguments here, only discussing the indifferences.

 

[jerry63935]

No arguments here, only discussing the indifferences.

of course lol

 

[for_his_glory]

in the words of john MacArthur strange fire you best read up on the bema seat for our rewards of works .i have read a lot crazy stuff this is just about the tops

Ignore the scriptures I gave that shows what the Bema seat is, but believe a Calvinist instead

Bema seat is the altar or the Throne of God that Jesus sits on during the Great White Throne Judgement as God gives to Him to judge all.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

 

[for_his_glory]

of course lol

I was hitting my head against the bricks because Dorothy Mae kept asking me for scriptures that I gave her about three or four times. That is not an argument, but frustration of the situation. Dorothy and I are good, even if we disagree with each other.

 

[for_his_glory]

i can read i know who was looking asking for the signs

Then you should know then why God never gave them any signs, but that one only as they rejected the teachings of Christ, even calling Him a blasphemer so we need to move past this.

 

[jerry63935]

so we need to move past this.

move past what? a discussion

 

[jerry63935]

but believe a Calvinist instead

pssstttt let me CLEAR one thing up with you.. i dont follow Calvinism i dont follow MacArthur . have i listened to him before yes... i know how to discern what i need and dont need.. please dont flatter your self with Calvinism.. i have studied out the judgements seats for many years .but the bema seat of rewards we give account of the good and bad ..what have we as wise master builders built with? wood hay stubble gold silver precious stone. will be judged by the fire . what i have learned has been on my own btw even though i disagree with most of the teaching . Calvinist that are born again will be in heaven .

 

[for_his_glory]

move past what? a discussion

The Bema seat as it has nothing to do with the OP. If you would like to start a new thread on that be my guest.

 

[jerry63935]

The Bema seat as it has nothing to do with the OP. If you would like to start a new thread on that be my guest.

o my i forgot but it has very thing to do in part with the op might i add it was you who helped keep it going

 

[for_his_glory]

o my i forgot but it has very thing to do in part with the op

We are talking about the Rapture, not the Bema seat. Stay on topic please. I will discuss this no longer derailing the thread.

 

[jerry63935]

We are talking about the Rapture, not the Bema seat. Stay on topic please. I will discuss this no longer derailing the thread.

how about you get your judgment seats straight or there two separate rules ? btw had nothing to do with the rapture. your calling me out on a thread you created but i fully understand

 

[Marilyn C]

What started me questioning their teachings was when I read Rev 4:1-2, which they love to use for proof, but no proof was found just like all the scriptures they use.

Hi fhg,

Why Rev. 4: 1 -2?