the removal the church isnt supportable

[King James]

I believe the ones left living on the earth outside the city, one third I believe, will live as humans for the next 1,000 years. These humans will reproduce their numbers within the next 1,000 years to how many people there are now in modern day. The ones in the city will take on a form that is somewhat spiritual, somewhat physical, where immortality is conditional upon eating from the tree of life and drinking the water of life. I don't think the ones in the city are going to be human. Closer to angels. No more need to use the restroom. No more reproduction, or sweating, aches and pains. As for our exact purpose for that time period, I guess I'll read the third testament or just ask Jesus himself.

 

[jasoncran]

that is the image of hell outside. it would never end if we were to do that. at some point God is going to stop mans reproduction slay all evil men and judge all then it will be as he wanted.

 

[Eugene]

No they didn' remain until the end of the tribulation because they were killed DURING the tribulation...so where is your pre-trib. rapture??

Maybe you should prove they were killed during the tribulation with scripture. The order is always those asleep in Christ first and then we which remain. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. They do stand in heaven before the throne and they get there somehow as do those twenty-four elders and four living one of Revelation 4:4 & 4:6 redeemed from among men which are in heaven with Jesus prior to the tribulation beginning.

 

[jasoncran]

was noah removed from the earth during the flood or kept from the judgment?

and I quote

matthew 24

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

 

[Eugene]

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

The following scripture shows the eight safe in the ark as we are in Jesus. The taking away by the flood are a symbol of those at Jesus coming in the clouds that will be taken away to await great white throne judgment of Revelation 20:11-15. There are the saved, and the taken away.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

 

[jasoncran]

yes but there are SURVIVORS of the judgment.
what will the trib saints believe in? the law of moses or the gospels? by which covenant are they under?

 

[Grappler]

Maybe you should prove they were killed during the tribulation with scripture. The order is always those asleep in Christ first and then we which remain. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. They do stand in heaven before the throne and they get there somehow as do those twenty-four elders and four living one of Revelation 4:4 & 4:6 redeemed from among men which are in heaven with Jesus prior to the tribulation beginning.

What do the words come out of the tribulation mean to you?

 

[Eugene]

What do the words come out of the tribulation mean to you?

Exactly that; they came out of tribulation. It doesn't say they remained until the end of it. Uh, you didn't have scripture to show they are all killed? Again, the order of any rank of believers caught up to heaven are those asleep in Christ , and then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16.

 

[jasoncran]

in other words. God removes a church to start another.

 

[Eugene]

in other words. God removes a church to start another.

Hi Jasoncran and I'm supposing you're addressing my post. The judgment of the entire Church is shown in Revelation Chapters Two and Three, and regardless of our walk in Christ we fit the description of one of those seven. Finally we read the final condition of the Church as lukewarm and spued out. What comes next?

Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

 

[jasoncran]

that doesn't address the issue. will the saints then not do communion or baptize? for it is written.

one faith, one hope, one baptism. the saints will need to know the word and how will do what jesus said? will they not have to baptize?do communion? I think they will. but im not a believer in any great trib. why? well the ac isn't a person but a sprit.

 

[Sinthesis]

You said that is not how IT works...and this IT is your philosophy..IT is not scriptural. IT sounds very much like Preterism that you are talking about. And if IT is Preterism that you are talking about then you are not even consistent within that belief system because according to the Preterists that i have spoken with Satan is now in the lake of fire screaming for mercy. So how can anyone be helpless prey to that being?lol

You say it is not scriptural. I don't agree. I also don't agree with full preterism, so satan was in chains, but now he is not. Yet if you are in Christ, who is eternal, which is what the millennium is about, then you are ultimately safe from satan. If you are not in Christ's kingdom then you are not in the millennium. The millennium is not about a universal shared objective reality, but descriptive of the consequences of our choices in our personal relationship with God that we have been given by our Creator.

 

[King James]

I believe the ones left living on the earth outside the city, one third I believe, will live as humans for the next 1,000 years. These humans will reproduce their numbers within the next 1,000 years to how many people there are now in modern day. The ones in the city will take on a form that is somewhat spiritual, somewhat physical, where immortality is conditional upon eating from the tree of life and drinking the water of life. I don't think the ones in the city are going to be human. Closer to angels. No more need to use the restroom. No more reproduction, or sweating, aches and pains. As for our exact purpose for that time period, I guess I'll read the third testament or just ask Jesus himself.

that is the image of hell outside. it would never end if we were to do that. at some point God is going to stop mans reproduction slay all evil men and judge all then it will be as he wanted.

Yes it would. In 1,000 years. Then the final judement after that. Why soo hard just to follow the scripture?

 

[Sinthesis]

If we're in the millenium, why isn't Satan locked up?

If you are in Christ, then satan is constrained. If you are not, then satan is free.

 

[jasoncran]

because its after the thousand years that im addressing.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

8 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

 

[Grappler]

Exactly that; they came out of tribulation. It doesn't say they remained until the end of it. Uh, you didn't have scripture to show they are all killed? Again, the order of any rank of believers caught up to heaven are those asleep in Christ , and then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16.

You said they came out of tribulation...uh...you left out the words "the" and "great". John was told that these are the ones that came out of the great tribulation. See? now that is better. Lets read it again....these are the ones that came out of the great tribulation....I like that...so let me see....in order for someone to come out of something shouldn't they have to be in that very thing that they are coming out of? A small child would say yes. Soooo like i said before where is your pre-tribulation rapture?:D

 

[Grappler]

If you are in Christ, then satan is constrained. If you are not, then satan is free.

Cool so there are two Satans??...wow never read that in scripture could you show me the book, chapter, and verse that says that? Thanks.

 

[jasoncran]

@synthesis. the millennial saints wont need faith. they can touch jesus.

I have read both jewish and futurist statements that say that.

 

[Grappler]

You say it is not scriptural. I don't agree. I also don't agree with full preterism, so satan was in chains, but now he is not. Yet if you are in Christ, who is eternal, which is what the millennium is about, then you are ultimately safe from satan. If you are not in Christ's kingdom then you are not in the millennium. The millennium is not about a universal shared objective reality, but descriptive of the consequences of our choices in our personal relationship with God that we have been given by our Creator.

Boy...you are one confused individual...you say satan is free then you say he is not...you don't present any scripture with your beliefs..."universal shared objective reality" is that supposed to impress me? SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE! i am not interested in your personal ideas on reality. Thanks.

 

[Eugene]

Exactly that; they came out of tribulation. It doesn't say they remained until the end of it. Uh, you didn't have scripture to show they are all killed? Again, the order of any rank of believers caught up to heaven are those asleep in Christ , and then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16.

You said they came out of tribulation...uh...you left out the words "the" and "great". John was told that these are the ones that came out of the great tribulation. See? now that is better. Lets read it again....these are the ones that came out of the great tribulation....I like that...so let me see....in order for someone to come out of something shouldn't they have to be in that very thing that they are coming out of? A small child would say yes. Soooo like i said before where is your pre-tribulation rapture?:D

Grappler, you asked the question below. Do you seriously want to play games over an omitted word you didn't use also below in your quote?

What do the words come out of the tribulation mean to you?