the removal the church isnt supportable

[reba]

The gospel is most certainly in more nations now then it was 2000 years ago...

 

[Sinthesis]

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Has Jesus taken power from the nations?

Yes

Is the times of the Gentiles over;

That depends on what you mean by 'times', 'Gentiles' and 'over'.

what of their fullness?

Already done

Romans 11:25. Will God deal with Israel again? Thanks.

No, at least not according to how you probably define 'Israel'.

 

[Eugene]

The gospel is most certainly in more nations now then it was 2000 years ago...

I think I agree. Let's see? 2012 AD minus 2000 years equals 12 AD. Yep, you've got to be right on this one. ;)

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

...but once they belong to the church, they might have something of their former identity of Jew or Gentile, but as the body of Christ cleansed by His blood this is now their main, new identity.

And you don't find the church in the Old Testament, either.

(See: I'm a dispensationalist )

The Church is 'saved Israel'. Dispensationalism needs two peoples in order to support their presuppositions. They also need a third brick and mortar temple.

 

[reba]

22222 + 3389 + 5124 = 30735th vs. Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what~H~A~R~U~A~C~H~saith unto The Qahal ; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. 26050 – 2288

17931 + 1055 + 2403 = 21389th vs. Yechezqel 36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. 4654 – 1200

http://ljg232.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/the-key-of-dawid/

I have zero idea what this post is about can you clarify please?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The Church is 'saved Israel'.

Wrong. The true remnant won't be visible until the Tribulation, when the 144,000 Jewish evangelists arise and preach the good news to Israel and the rest of the remaining world.

Dispensationalism needs two peoples in order to support their presuppositions.

And Covenant Theology requires its adherents to ignore large passages of Scripture inconvenient to their beliefs.

They also need a third brick and mortar temple.

In case you weren't aware, Israel is planning to rebuilt the Herodian Temple. It will happen.

 

[Eugene]

They also need a third brick and mortar temple.

I'm supposing you're talking of National Israel which is not a part of the Church. Those up until the tribulation will still be sacrificing types of the true and only one to be recognized by God.

What type of sacrifice do you imagine Israel will be sacrificing thirty days prior to the tribulation that will be taken away?

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Without a temple, presently the Jews have taken the scripture of Hosea 14:2 as sacrifice. ". . we render the calves of our lips." This is much like Hebrews 13:15. "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name."

After seventy years captivity, the first thing Israel die was to return to Jerusalem and build an altar to sacrifice; the temple had been burned according to 2 Chronicles 36:19. Ezra 3:2-3 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God. 3 And they set the altar upon his bases; for fear was upon them because of the people of those countries: and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD, even burnt offerings morning and evening.

The temple was not rebuilt yet. Ezra 3:4-6 They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; 5 And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD. 6 From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid.They do not need a temple to sacrifice.

I reckon when the evening sacrifice is taken from them, and then that prince's representative which we know as being antichrist will confirm a covenant with many for one week or 1260 days. I do not think it will take all that long to set up the brick and mortar structure he will have to set the abomination of desolation, but that's just my thoughts.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[reba]

God sent the Sacrifice, The Lamb of God, any other blood sacrifice would be an abomination

 

[JLB]

The Temple Institute is Growing and expanding to their new location. These people are extremely dedicated and focused on the cause to rebuild the Last Temple.

http://www.templeinstitute.org/new-location.htm

http://www.templeinstitute.org/temple-mount-awareness-5773.htm

As this paragraph below from their website indicates -

The Temple Institute is Moving to a New Location!

Bringing the Awesome World of the Holy Temple to an Unprecedented Level of Understanding

The Temple Institute is delighted to announce that after twenty five years of introducing visitors the world over to the sacred vessels of the Holy Temple and the dream, along with the practical measures being taken for rebuilding the Holy Temple, our headquarters will be moving in early 2013 to a new, expanded facility, which will include a brand new Visitors Center. Just a few hundred meters from our current location the new center will be located just above the Yehudah HaLevy stairs which lead from Jerusalem's Old City Jewish Quarter down to the Western Wall Plaza facing the Temple Mount. The new exhibition will include a highly advanced, state of the art presentation of the Temple-ready sacred vessels created by the Institute, garments of the High Priest, oil-paintings depicting aspects of the Divine service of the Holy Temple and model of the Holy Temple Complex. Visitors will also be able to see a scaled-down stone altar, made in accordance with Torah law, transportable and completely ready for use on the Temple Mount.

Additionally, the new center, three times the size of the Institute's current location, will also afford guests the opportunity to view all new video productions describing the history of the Holy Temple, its role in the prophetic time in which we are living and our role as members of the human race who seek the rebuilding of the Holy Temple and the fulfillment of the words of Isaiah: "For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations." (Isaiah 56:7)

The new center will also include a spacious gift shop. The entire exhibit and gift shop will have wheel chair accessibility.
Below are an architectural blueprint, a bird's-eye depiction of the new center, and maps showing the new location.

Dedication opportunities are available and your support for this new stage of the Institute’s program towards the rebuilding of the Holy Temple is greatly appreciated.

I browsed through their website and noticed many new additions.

For someone to deny the fact that these people have the things required by the Law of Moses as well as the funding and dedication to carry this out is "living in denial".

All it will take now is a world ruler to "authorize" the construction by "confirming a covenant" for one week.

This will cause the Muslims to back off and allow the Jews to proceed.

What kind of ruler would have this power and the authority that the Muslim world would respect?

They would have to believe he was the Iman that their prophecies speak of.


JLB

 

[Sinthesis]

Hmm,,, as a 'house of prayer for all nations', I wonder if they'll be letting everyone into their new temple to pray. Of course, first they need a new temple and the ability to consecrate it, which they don't have.

 

[reba]

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.



Was/is the building God never wanted in the first place important....

1Sa 2:35 And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever.

2Sa 7:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?

2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.


Who is our High Priest?

 

[Grappler]

per matthew 24



in the flood, noah remained on the earth and the wicked were removed.

so it will be when he returns. we will be renewed and the earthed.

You are absolutely correct...the removal of the church is not supported by scripture. Jesus prayed in John 17 for the Father to NOT take his followers out of the world. Pretty simple huh? Well it is if you follow simple hermeneutics.

 

[Grappler]

The Church is 'saved Israel'. Dispensationalism needs two peoples in order to support their presuppositions. They also need a third brick and mortar temple.

Agreed. The ashkenazi Jews will be allowed to rebuild a temple which will be an abomination to God. Jesus was the final sacrifice for all of mankind there is no need of a temple but it will be rebuilt because of the sinfulness of man. The veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom when Jesus died, Titus came in 70 AD and finished the job...good job Titus.

 

[Agape]

..good job Titus.

:o

 

[jasoncran]

I didn't like the fact that titus did isreal like that but the jews did that to themselves

 

[Grappler]

I didn't like the fact that titus did isreal like that but the jews did that to themselves

I was just refering to Titus destroying that useless temple...not killing Jews. By the way jason..is english your native language?

 

[jasoncran]

Yes, im not in Isreal. I have a lazy hand when it comes to grammar here.

 

[Grappler]

Yes, im not in Isreal. I have a lazy hand when it comes to grammar here.

ok just curious.

 

[n2thelight]

Edward
I have a question. If the wicked are removed from the earth and not the saints, or if there is no rapture, or a post trib rapture....who are the 24 elders before the throne in Revelation 4:10 and who are the seven golden Lampstands? ?

There is no way to document this, except in comparison of other Scripture, and the assumption is that God will put certain people in higher esteem than others in His kingdom. It's possible that these twenty four elders were the twelve patriarchs, or heads of the tribes of Israel, for in the seventh chapter the importance of these patriarchs will become clearer. The other twelve, being the Apostles.

When one dies they return to the Father,that's how they are in heaven,without a rapture,those who die in Christ,return with Him......

Revelation 1:20 "The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."

 

[Eugene]

There is no way to document this, except in comparison of other Scripture, and the assumption is that God will put certain people in higher esteem than others in His kingdom. It's possible that these twenty four elders were the twelve patriarchs, or heads of the tribes of Israel, for in the seventh chapter the importance of these patriarchs will become clearer. The other twelve, being the Apostles.

Very few give credence to that thought of ranks in the resurrection, but the bible teaches that exactly. As Jesus walks among the candlesticks He is judging the walk of Christianity. Revelation Chapters Two and Three show the judgment that must begin at the house of God.

Without going into the why at this time, I'll just give a couple views shown us. The twenty-elders and the four livings ones have been redeemed, have the closest proximity to Jesus in His own throne, and are made kings and priests and reign with Him. Revelation 5:10.

Another group are those of Revelation 7:15. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.